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07-11-2010, 02:58 PM
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5th defender? Debatable.
How's that debatable? We have five top four d-men so logic and reality dictates that one of them is going to be on our third pairing.


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How's that debatable? We have five top four d-men so logic and reality dictates that one of them is likely going to be on our third pairing.
Don't bring math into this.

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Its only debatable because he is technically speaking on most teams he would be a top 4 guy maybe even a top line min guy, the depth just doesn't fit him. If Carle was moved, id be fine with it and I think Meszaros could even be an upgrade playing with Pronger but no need for him, so move him out with that price tag.


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What do you think about Meszaros and Carle for Kaberle and Rynnas. Dont need to give up Gagne and we get 3 mil in cap space to sign Turco and still have a tremendous top 4.

Or even just Mesz and Carle for Kaberle.

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07-11-2010, 03:13 PM
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What do you think about Meszaros and Carle for Kaberle and Rynnas. Dont need to give up Gagne and we get 3 mil in cap space to sign Turco and still have a tremendous top 4.

Or even just Mesz and Carle for Kaberle.
I'd do it.

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What do you think about Meszaros and Carle for Kaberle and Rynnas. Dont need to give up Gagne and we get 3 mil in cap space to sign Turco and still have a tremendous top 4.

Or even just Mesz and Carle for Kaberle.
I think Kaberle needs to be traded to stop the insanity. Toronto already has a ton of payroll on their blueline.

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07-11-2010, 03:16 PM
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What do you think about Meszaros and Carle for Kaberle and Rynnas. Dont need to give up Gagne and we get 3 mil in cap space to sign Turco and still have a tremendous top 4.

Or even just Mesz and Carle for Kaberle.
Toronto couldn't POSSIBLY take two defenders back. They're trying to dump one as it is.

Anyway, I wouldn't do it. We don't need Rynnas. He'd be nice, but what are we going to do? Send him to the ECHL?

I'd also rather not lose Meszaros. He's going to be an absolute steal for a 2nd rounder very shortly. We'd probably end up losing Kaberle afterwards, and this deal makes our defense very old.

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Do we really want to be trading for a guy who we already traded for once and who refused to come? I mean theoretically it's a good idea I suppose...but he doesn't want to be a Flyer; I'd rather have guys who want to be here.

I still like it better than trading Gagne...but I'd still rather trade Briere.

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What do you think about Meszaros and Carle for Kaberle and Rynnas. Dont need to give up Gagne and we get 3 mil in cap space to sign Turco and still have a tremendous top 4.

Or even just Mesz and Carle for Kaberle.
I know you're asking your fellow Flyers fan but it'll be interesting to add a Leafs fan perspective into this.

We're stacked at D, which is why Kaberle is being used to net a top 6 forward back.

I know I'd love to get Gagne, but Kaberle would have to be going back. If there is anyone else we can afford to give, so be it. I'd love to somehow acquire Gagne without giving up Kaberle.

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Toronto couldn't POSSIBLY take two defenders back. They're trying to dump one as it is.

Anyway, I wouldn't do it. We don't need Rynnas. He'd be nice, but what are we going to do? Send him to the ECHL?

I'd also rather not lose Meszaros. He's going to be an absolute steal for a 2nd rounder very shortly. We'd probably end up losing Kaberle afterwards, and this deal makes our defense very old.
i would of been fine with Meszaros if we didnt have Carle. 23.5 million is too much to have tied up in defenseman. Especially when we are right up against the Cap. We are going to need the cleared cap space next offseason anyway.
I still dont think the Leafs are going to deal Kaberle. Especially to a team in the East.
They really need to think about dealing Carle before dealing Gagne or Hartnell or even worse Carter

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I know you're asking your fellow Flyers fan but it'll be interesting to add a Leafs fan perspective into this.

We're stacked at D, which is why Kaberle is being used to net a top 6 forward back.

I know I'd love to get Gagne, but Kaberle would have to be going back. If there is anyone else we can afford to give, so be it. I'd love to somehow acquire Gagne without giving up Kaberle.
We're both stacked at D, unless Gagne was traded for prospects/cheap elc I can't see it happening.

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Gagne and Coburn for Kaberle and Caputi? Think Toronto would go for it? We'd have room to sign Turco and Carcillo then, if Cote and Boucher were gone.

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Mezsaros may be our 5th now, but I also suspect they are hoping he's the replacement for Timonen in 3 years.

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Gagne and Coburn for Kaberle and Caputi? Think Toronto would go for it? We'd have room to sign Turco and Carcillo then, if Cote and Boucher were gone.



The thing that gets lost in the discussion by so many non-Leaf fans is just how good a first passer Kaberle is. With him and Pronger the Flyers will spend much less time in their own end. I'd like to see Carle gone before Coburn, I see Kabs as a much better Matt Carle.

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Stop it with the ****ing Kaberle. He's not coming here, we don't need him, we don't want him.

We're not going to trade Meszaros because we just acquired him and he has yet to play a game, and we're not going to acquire Coburn because we just re-signed him. Use your head.

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The thing that gets lost in the discussion by so many non-Leaf fans is just how good a first passer Kaberle is. With him and Pronger the Flyers will spend much less time in their own end. I'd like to see Carle gone before Coburn, I see Kabs as a much better Matt Carle.
I would do the same deal with Carle instead, but I think we have a better idea of what we will get from Carle, at least if he is still paired with Pronger.

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Mezsaros may be our 5th now, but I also suspect they are hoping he's the replacement for Timonen in 3 years.
I think he'll finish on the 2nd pairing, maybe even first this season.

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Gagne and Coburn for Kaberle and Caputi? Think Toronto would go for it? We'd have room to sign Turco and Carcillo then, if Cote and Boucher were gone.
Hard to give up Caputi, but that deal sounds awfully enticing for us.

How's Coburn's game evolved, by the way? Why is he in trade proposals?

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Hard to give up Caputi, but that deal sounds awfully enticing for us.

How's Coburn's game evolved, by the way? Why is he in trade proposals?
Because the fools on HF think we should have 9 top 3 forwards, 6 top pairing defenseman, and 3 goons.

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Stop it with the ****ing Kaberle. He's not coming here, we don't need him, we don't want him.

We're not going to trade Meszaros because we just acquired him and he has yet to play a game, and we're not going to acquire Coburn because we just re-signed him. Use your head.
Exactly, what the hell was the point in acquiring him if we were just going to trade him. Would be the most pointless trade ever.

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Hard to give up Caputi, but that deal sounds awfully enticing for us.

How's Coburn's game evolved, by the way? Why is he in trade proposals?
Great in 2007-08, not so great in 2008-09 and the first half of this past season, great from about February on through the playoffs this year. He could put it all together and be very good. Any interest in Carle? Kind of the poor man's Kaberle. Well, poor man's Kaberle when paired with a good defensive partner. Homeless man's Kaberle when paired with someone not so strong.

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Hard to give up Caputi, but that deal sounds awfully enticing for us.

How's Coburn's game evolved, by the way? Why is he in trade proposals?
He shouldn't be. That deal is atrocious for the Flyers.

Gagne = Kaberle basicaly.
Coburn >> Caputi,

I might consider it if you added Sweatt, and it was Carle instead of Coburn.

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Supposedly Kovy to LA is done, as per the twitter of Darren Millard. We'll see. If so, it certainly makes the process of trading Gagne (or whoever) more interesting.

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He shouldn't be. That deal is atrocious for the Flyers.

Gagne = Kaberle basicaly.
Coburn >> Caputi,

I might consider it if you added Sweatt, and it was Carle instead of Coburn.
I'm not dead bent on giving up Caputi either. He's gonna remain a part of the Leafs. He's a home town kid who was ecstatic when he got traded to Toronto.

I think the reason Coburn was included was due to the salary cap.

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I'm not dead bent on giving up Caputi either. He's gonna remain a part of the Leafs. He's a home town kid who was ecstatic when he got traded to Toronto.

I think the reason Coburn was included was due to the salary cap.
Carle makes over $200K more.

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