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07-11-2010, 09:15 PM
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Local Broadcast Revenue Thread

This comment came up in the Is the Sun Belt Expansion becoming a success? (Mod: or Non-traditional markets) thread.

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Nope.

US National Broadcast deals + 24 US Local RSN Broadcast deals >> Canadian National Broadcast deals + 6 Canadian Local Broadcast deals.
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I'd feel better about this claim if you could fill in the numbers.
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Source?
My comment was based on a guesstimate - recognizing 24 > 6, the large local TV deals of some US teams (NYI, Detroit, etc), and the fact that even small market teams receive significant local tv revenues (The 'Yotes received ~5M/yr according to the BK docs, IIRC).

I thought it would be useful to actually document just what the NHL's local deals are.

If there is enough feedback, I'll summarize in a table in this first post.

I'll start with the otherwise inexplicable New York Islander deal with MSG - ranging from $17.5M in '00-'01 to $36M in '30-'31. The last reported numbers I've seen put it currently at ~$22-24M/yr (but I'll look for a more definitive link).

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/11/sp...es-misery.html

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Cablevision recoiled at the possibility of paying the Islanders 18 1/2 percent of total FSNY-MSG revenues. In the talks, the team got an extension through the 2030-31 season, which features yearly payments rising from $14.8 million next season and $17.5 million in 2000-1 to $36 million in the final year, and the possibility of lousy performances causing a breach disappeared from the final contract.

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You'll find Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, CBJ (dated perhaps) and Tampa figures in the Business Info collection thread.

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The Canucks get around $300,000 per game from Sportsnet. Last season, Sportsnet carried 45 games, so I imagine the Canucks received around $13.5 million last season.

For the past several years, the Canucks also aired games on a pay-per-view basis, but I haven't been able to track down how much revenue they might have earned from PPV.

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I don't know whether this is pertinent to the thread, but this chart lists the regional audiences for NHL clubs
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TOP TEN
Rank Club Regional rights holder Average audience
Per game broadcast

1* Montreal Canadiens RDS* 688,000*
2 Toronto Maple Leafs Rogers Sportsnet Ontario 656,400
3 Vancouver Canucks Rogers Sportsnet Pacific 398,500
4 Calgary Flames Rogers Sportsnet West 221,300
5 Pittsburgh Penguins FSN Pittsburgh 214,100
6 Chicago Blackhawks Comcast Sportsnet / WGN-TV 9 196,800
7 Detroit Red Wings FSN Detroit 186,600
8 Edmonton Oilers Rogers Sportsnet West 181,400
9 Ottawa Senators Rogers Sportsnet Ontario 153,400
10 New York Rangers MSG Network 152,200

MIDDLE TEN
11 Philadelphia Flyers Comcast Sportsnet / CN8 147,900
12 Boston Bruins NESN (New England Sports Network) 120,800
13 New Jersey Devils MSG Plus 99,200
14 Buffalo Sabres MSG Network 93,600
15 Washington Capitals Comcast Sportsnet 85,400
16 St. Louis Blues FSN Midwest 67,000
17 Minnesota Wild FSN North / KSTC-TV 66,500
18 San Jose Sharks CSN California 63,200
19 Los Angeles Kings FSN West / Prime ticket 62,400
20 New York Islanders MSG Plus 61,500

BOTTOM TEN
21 Colorado Avalanche Altitude 54,700
22 Anaheim Ducks FSN West 54,700
23 Dallas Stars FSN Southwest / KDFI My27 42,400
24 Columbus Blue Jackets FSN Ohio 29,600
25 Phoenix Coyotes FSN Arizona 26,500

26 Carolina Hurricanes FSN Carolina 25,300 (est.)
27 Nashville Predators FSN Tennessee 25,300 (est.)
28 Tampa Bay Lightning Sun Sports 25,100
29 Atlanta Thrashers Sportsouth 18,000
30 Florida Panthers FSN Florida 13,400
http://www.thesportmarket.biz/charts.htm

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It was mentioned in an article around the opening of their arena two years ago, but the Devils receive on average 25 million a year from MSG. It is a long deal so it is probably like the Isles deal where it is worth more as it goes on, but again the average works out to about 25 million.

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BOTTOM TEN
21 Colorado Avalanche Altitude 54,700
22 Anaheim Ducks FSN West 54,700
23 Dallas Stars FSN Southwest / KDFI My27 42,400
24 Columbus Blue Jackets FSN Ohio 29,600
25 Phoenix Coyotes FSN Arizona 26,500

26 Carolina Hurricanes FSN Carolina 25,300 (est.)
27 Nashville Predators FSN Tennessee 25,300 (est.)
28 Tampa Bay Lightning Sun Sports 25,100
29 Atlanta Thrashers Sportsouth 18,000
30 Florida Panthers FSN Florida 13,400
Wow. That's astonishing.Those bottom six, especially.

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Wow. That's astonishing.Those bottom six, especially.
the bottom 2 are EYE POPPING!!!

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I don't know whether this is pertinent to the thread, but this chart lists the regional audiences for NHL clubs...
According to that, each of the top 2 teams draws more than the bottom HALF of the league...COMBINED. That can't be right....can it?

And top 4 Canadian teams combined outdraw all 24 US teams, combined. This seems very top heavy - is there a similar situation in any of the other major leagues?

Also surprised by the Canucks' high number given the city is on the small side. That's very impressive!

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Can we get back to attaching $$$ to the cities?

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According to a report by Gerry Sheehan, commissioned by the CoG, and filed in the Coyotes' bankruptcy:


Phoenix Coyotes: (28th in league)
$3.4 million

NHL average
$11.7 million


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Might be tricky to get a number for a team like the Flyers, who are broadcasted by their owner.

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According to a report by Gerry Sheehan, commissioned by the CoG, and filed in the Coyotes' bankruptcy:


Phoenix Coyotes: (28th in league)
$3.4 million

NHL average
$11.7 million
I don't think the Coyotes have the same deal any longer.

I think I noticed something in the Phx threads about a new agreement, but don't recall the specifics.

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I don't think the Coyotes have the same deal any longer.

I think I noticed something in the Phx threads about a new agreement, but don't recall the specifics.
New deal was negotiated just before the start of the 09-10 season, and I don't recall any specifics becoming public.

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I know this is a very old post... but am going to bump this. Any chance someone has new info on broadcast revenues?

The average is interesting (say it went up to 12-13m), but doesn't really accomplish what I'm looking for when the disparity between Columbus and Phoenix is 5m while Toronto pulls in 40m (or whatever the numbers actually are).

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