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Homer likes Testwuide... article and video: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...Testwuide.html


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No not at all. There might have been 1 or 2 people who thought he would make the team but thats not really considered hype. I guess most of his "hype" comes from the scouts who watched him in college and said he was the most NHL ready out of all the college free agents, not due to his skill, but because of the way he uses his body. There are alot of big bodied players that dont know how to use their bodies at all. Teswuide does. That being said, do I think he will start the season off on the NHL? No. I can easily bet money though that he will be a call up.
Depending on what injuries occur, how he and other players are playing it isnt a stretch to say he may get a game or 2. I dont think he will though. Playing in this camp and doing well isnt a bad thing. However most of these kids will not be around and are much younger than him, so physicaly he should be able to dominate so to speak. When he gets tot he pro camp is when you will be bale to make a much better assesment.

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Insert the name of Maroon and shooter said the same thing last year and probably has every year about some prospect, as he should. Hope the guy pans out. no big deal if he doesnt as it was really no risk involved.

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Insert the name of Maroon and shooter said the same thing last year and probably has every year about some prospect, as he should. Hope the guy pans out. no big deal if he doesnt as it was really no risk involved.
Guys with a legitimate chance at making the NHL roster this year:

F - Nodl, Kalinski, Maroon, Testwuide, Legein
D - Lehtivuori, Gustafsson, Marshall

I still consider Maroon the favorite to make the team if we have a top 9 spot open.

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Guys with a legitimate chance at making the NHL roster this year:

F - Nodl, Kalinski, Maroon, Testwuide, Legein
D - Lehtivuori, Gustafsson, Marshall

I still consider Maroon the favorite to make the team if we have a top 9 spot open.
Describe your definition of legitimate?

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Guys with a legitimate chance at making the NHL roster this year:

F - Nodl, Kalinski, Maroon, Testwuide, Legein
D - Lehtivuori, Gustafsson, Marshall

I still consider Maroon the favorite to make the team if we have a top 9 spot open.
Those guys on D have a<.01% of making this team no matter how well they play. They will not even be given for lack of a better word a long look in camp. Most ofThe forwards are also a longshot, with Nodl the best chance. Also the cap hit for those forwards you mentioned is like 800k for most of those guys, though you have much better handle on what they make if they are in the nhl. As a matter of fact what is the cap hit for those guys if they play in the nhl if you dont mind. Shooter will again invite a few nhl vets to camp that will be cheaper options $ wise, though they obviously have to show something.

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Guys with a legitimate chance at making the NHL roster this year:

F - Nodl, Kalinski, Maroon, Testwuide, Legein
D - Lehtivuori, Gustafsson, Marshall

I still consider Maroon the favorite to make the team if we have a top 9 spot open.
But if the spot is a bottom 6 I'd lean towards Nodl. Too bad Pyro didn't work out, I really liked him.

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philswin04ws wraps up the final day of Prospect Camp and gives his player evaluations over at Philly.com: http://forums.philly.com/n/mb/displa...rs&msg=74110.1


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So like I said yesterday, today was just a scrimmage. They played a full game today, with clock stoppages and everything. All previous days they played two 20 min periods with a running clock. The results were the same though as they had to decide it with a shootout.

Scrimmage:

This was an up and down game. Orange came out playing hard in the first period, but once again the black team poured it on in the second and third. We had some bad goalie play from the two starters and some great goalie play from the backups. The scoring opened up with the black team receiving a penalty shot which was roofed on a great back hand shot from Luke Pither on Nic Riopel (starter). From that point on orange took over the game. Partly because of their own play and partly by the black teams undisciplined play. Orange tied the game with a penalty shot of their own. The black team took an offensive zone tripping penalty on orange Dman Erik Gustafsson. He then proceeded to beat Chris Rawlings five hole on a good quick release. A few shifts later, with the orange team still buzzing in the offensive zone Eric Wellwood tossed a simple backhand at the net. Rawlings made the easy stop stand up, but proceeded to lose the puck in his skates. Before he was able to drop down and cover up, Phil Ginand got a stick in there to poke it in. The black team got down after this play and took it out a few minutes later with another obstruction penalty. This time the penalty shot was rewarded to Gregor Hanson. Although he has played well this camp, he has hit several posts and has been robbed by the goalies a few times. The snake bitten forward buried his chance this time with a fancy deke move the slower Rawlings couldn't get to in time.

Orange now looked to be cruising towards a series win against the black squad even though black has the better players and have been carrying play for most of the week. Not so fast says Nic Riopel. In the start of the second period Riopel came out to settle a dump in behind the net. He chose to try and play it himself and took way too long to move it. Black got in on the forecheck and made him turn it over to a charging Michael Chaput. With Riopel still behind the net and scurrying to get back in net, Chaput threw the puck out front off of a body and but Riopel made a diving catch on the play. Unfortunately for him his glove was in the net and Chaput was awarded the goal. A huge momentum swing came from this. Black took over the play and were peppering Riopel with shot after shot.

Half way through the second both teams made goalie changes with Morrison coming in for black and Bobrovsky coming in for orange. Team orange was able to get another surprise goal right away. Wellwood was working along the right boards and spotted a wide open Lauridsen at the point. Lauridsen wound up and blasted a slapper high glove on Morrison. It was probably the best shot I have seen him take in the 2 years that I have been watching him at camp. His teamates went crazy as well. Now with a two goal lead and Bobrovsky in net you would think orange can win this game if they just play simple defensive hockey and make the black team have to work even harder for their opportunities. Instead, the orange team crumbled under the black teams pressure. They turned the puck over constantly and gave the black team two penalty shots on lazy penalties. Bobrovsky bailed them out on the penalty shots, but couldn't on a terrible turnover in the defensive zone. Orange forwards got caught leaving the zone and the orange defender, who I was able to see who it was, tried to reverse the puck back around to his partner in the other corner. What he didn't see was Michael Chaput sitting along the wall and the puck hit him and bounced right to his stick. With no one in his path, he charged right towards Bobrovsky and ripped one low blocker off the pipe and in. Bobrovsky was left out to dry on the play and was only beaten by a perfect shot.

The game settled down a little bit from there. With time dwindling for team black, they once again put forward a charge to tie the game up. They spent a whole lot of time in the offensive zone, but were only getting one shot at time because Bobrovsky wasn't giving up and rebounds. He was able to see everything and swallow it up. The black team took note and were led by their top line of McGinn, Pither, and Harper. They started piling on in front of the net. A simple low slapper from the point by Marc-Andre Bourdon turned into the equalizer because it was able to get through traffic and beat a surprised Bobrovsky 5 hole. He looked upset in giving it up, but I don't think he saw it til the last second and wasn't able to close up the legs. He rebounded quickly though and was able to stop further black team pressure and get the game to overtime once again.

Another 5 min 4on4 overtime was set to settle the score. There were lots of opportunities for both sides, as they had a lot of ice to work with. Partners Pither and Harper dominated this portion of the game with their speed and puck-possession. Orange did a good job of blocking their shots and get sticks in their lanes. With time running out orange's top line of Rowe, Holmstrom, and Testwuide cycled the puck trying to get one least opportunity to score the winner. They got that opportunity on the most bone-headed play of camp. This one by camp vet Kevin Marshall, who boarded Holmstrom with 6 seconds left on the clock. Holmstrom had the game on his stick, but has shown throughout this camp that he is not a good penalty shot taker. He has had 6 or 7 opportunities and has failed on all of them. Well, he failed again this time as Morrison made a pressure pad save on an ok shot.

This missed opportunity would prove costly as the orange team would go on to lose in the shootout. The shoot out was the most exciting part of the game though. Yesterday took 5 rounds of shooters but today topped that by taking 12 rounds of shooters. Both Morrison and Bobrovsky were excellent and made some outstanding saves. They both were beat on good moves by the first shooters. Bourdon made a nifty deke and slid it through the 5hole of Bobrovsky. Gustafsson followed for orange and made a similar move, but with more speed to beat Morrison through the 5hole. From then on shooter after shooter couldn't put the puck in. Black had the better attempts only missing the net once, while the orange team looked inept with their attempts. They had four good attempts following Gustafsson. Two hit the post and on two, Morrison made huge glove saves. The others either missed the net, fumbled the puck and didn't even get a shot off, or just put in a weak effort that was stopped easily. The guy to end it was Tye McGinn. He fumbled the puck as well as it almost went too far in front of him. This threw off Bobrovsky who hesitated slightly and McGinn was able to fake backhand to forehand and put one just past the blocker of Bobrovsky. Black cheered loudly, as they beat a very good goalie, and the orange team all came over to congratulate Bobrovsky on his huge effort in net. Overall the black team had more skill, better defense and were able to win 2 of three shootouts in camp. The orange team had 1 very good line that controlled the boards, a turnover prone defense, and the better goaltending. Orange wasn't able to finish chances 5 on 5 as most of their offense came from penalty shots on the undisciplined black team. The black teams penalties and orange's goaltending evened out the disparity in skill level, so it was a close series coming down to a shootout. One team had to lose and the universe hates the color orange right now so the black team prevailed.


Player evaluations:

Forwards

Shane Harper (RW):

-great skater, excellent puck handling, good vision, can dangle, smaller but strong on his skates, attacks in both ends, not very physical, and doesn't shoot enough

Next year- top 9 RW for the Phantoms
Future- good 3rd liner, possible top 6
NHL comparison- less physical Dan Cleary

Mike Testwuide (RW):

-great size, wins battles, immovable object when he has the puck in the corners, above average speed for his size, and decent hands and shot.

Next year- top six winger for the Phantoms and one of the first call-ups for the Flyers
Future- third liner with the ability to move up the lineup if needed
NHL comparison- Mike Knuble

Luke Pither (C):

-great skater, good vision, good passer, finishing ability, good hands, average size, back checks, needs to get better along the boards, decent faceoff guy

Next year- top six Phantoms forward
Future- top six forward
NHL comparison- poor man's Zetterberg

Ben Holmstrom (C):

-good skater, tough, diligent worker, good faceoff guy, responsible defensively, inconsistent finisher, regressed as camp moved along

Next year- top 9 Phantoms forward
Future- 4th line PK specialist
NHL comparison- Ryan Carter

Michael Chaput (C):

-good size, good skater, good faceoff guy, opportunistic scorer, good defensively

Next year- Lewiston Maniacs
Future- third line two way scorer
NHL comparison- Daymond Langkow

Eric Wellwood (LW):

-speedster, good hands, non-stop motor, ok size, inconsistent finishing, needs to be stronger along the boards

Next year- top 9 Phantom
Future- third line checker
NHL comparison- speedier Eric Nystrom

Zac Rinaldo (LW/C):

-good skater, tough, big hitter, agitator, will fight, smaller, decent skill for his role

Next year- 4th line Phantom
Future- 4th line checker agitator
NHL comparison- Jordin Tootoo

Andrew Rowe (LW):

-hard worker, decent skill, good checker, good only the boards and on the cycle

Next year- top nine Phantom
Future- 3rd/4th line checker
NHL comparison- Brad Winchester

Tye McGinn (LW):

-ok skater, hard worker, good checker, responsible, good on forecheck, good size

Next year- possible Phantom / overager
Future- 3rd/ 4th line checker
NHL comparison- slower Jamie McGinn

Brendan Ranford (LW):

-average skater, decent size, ok skills, least impressive flyers 2010 draftee

Next year- Kamloops
Future- AHL/ borderline NHL
NHL comparison- n/a

Of the tryout forwards, I think the two best were Justin Dowling and Gregor Hanson. If any forwards earned a possible contract at this camp it would be these two.


Defense

Erik Gustafsson:

-smooth skater, good vision, good shot, positionally sound, good reads, good stick, great first pass, smaller, not overly physical

Next year- top 2 phantoms Dman/ possible flyers injury call-up
Future- top 4 dman
NHL comparison- Kimmo Timonen

Marc-Andre Bourdon:

-average skater, good first pass, can be physical, good shot, questionable decision making, shorter but stocky

Next year- top 4 Phantoms Dman
Future- bottom 4 Dman
NHL comparison- Toni Lydman

Kevin Marshall:

-above average skater, tough, leadership, physical, simple game offensively, above average shot, can get out of position going for hits

Next year- top 2 Phantoms Dman/ possible injury call up
Future- bottom 4 Dman
NHL comparison- Denis Gauthier

Ricard Blidstrand:

-good size, smooth skater, good passer, questionable decision making, questionable positioning, not overly physical

Next year- WHL
Future- bottom pair/ depth Dman
NHL comparison- n/a

Nick Luukko:

-good skater, good positionally, simple game, not physical, good passer, calm, passive

Next year- Dubuque
Future- bottom pair Dman
NHL comparison- Steve Eminger

Tyler Hostetter:

-good skater, good passer, average size, not overly physical, questionable reads, decent shot

Next year- Erie
Future- bottom pair Dman
NHL comparison- n/a

Oliver Lauridsen:

-huge, space eater, good stick, good positionally, weak skater, average shot, average passer

Next year- St. Cloud State
Future- bottom pair/ depth Dman
NHL comparison- later years Darian Hatcher

The best tryout Dmen were Michael Banwell and Jesse Dudas. I don't see contracts in the future, but the Flyers could continue to follow them.


Goaltenders

Sergei Bobrovsky:

- good size, lightning quick, athletic, flexible, good reflexes, great blocker side, good glove hand, good rebound control, adequate puck handler, calm

Next year- Phantoms tandem with Backlund
Future- number 1 goaltender
NHL comparison- Marc-Andre Fleury

Brian Stewart:

-big, technically sound, above average quickness, athletic, calm

Next year- Phantoms 3rd goalie/ ECHL
Future- AHL goalie
NHL comparison- Michael Leighton

Adam Morrison:

- big, athletic, good reflexes, relatively quick, struggles with traffic and rebound control

Next year- Saskatoon
Future- AHL goalie
NHL comparison- Martin Biron

Nic Riopel:

-smaller, positionally sound, technically sound, quick side to side, ok puck handler, struggles with traffic and rebound control

Next year - Phantoms 3rd / ECHL goalie
Future - AHL goalie
NHL comparison - Vesa Toskala

Brad Phillips:

-big, positionally sound, good glove, struggles with rebound control, moves well laterally

Next year - Notre Dame
Future - AHL goalie
NHL comparison - N/A

Chris Rawlings, the huge tryout goalie won't be signed because of depth. Flyers might continue to follow him, but I wasn't overly impressed with anything other than his size.


My all camp team would be:

Forwards - Testwuide, Pither, Harper
Dmen - Gustafsson, Marshall
Goalie - Bobrovsky

Sorry for the lateness and length. Iím glad you all enjoyed my reports and I can't wait for training camp. As always if you have any other questions, feel free to ask.


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I know Nodl is more effective currently for the Flyers considering he has been in the uniform for a good bit of time and has good speed and hitting. However, I would still love to see Legein play this season.

Glad to hear that Bobrovsky impressed. I really, really can't wait to see him in a game.

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Philswin wraps up the final day of Prospect Camp and gives his player evaluations over at Philly.com:

http://forums.philly.com/n/mb/displa...rs&msg=74110.1
I appreciate people giving their opinion and base donthose the fleyrs prospect pool is loaded.

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Bobrovsky's rebound control seems to be pretty good from the videos posted, so thats promising.

I hope next yeah, they try JVR on the PK early on in the season, if they can get his defense up it will go a long ways.

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I appreciate people giving their opinion and base donthose the fleyrs prospect pool is loaded.
Of all the NHL comparisons he gave, only 3-4 of them were any good anyway. Not sure why you always are so desperate to make sure everyone knows you are absolutely disappointed in anything and everything Flyers related.

God forbid we have 3-4 prospects to be excited about and not an entire pool of Richards, Ovechkins, Lidstroms and Brodeurs.

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Philswin wraps up the final day of Prospect Camp and gives his player evaluations over at Philly.com:

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Nice wrap up. it was interesting in your comments that there are no real impact players.
the question is why and how do the flyers plan to fix it?

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Of all the NHL comparisons he gave, only 3-4 of them were any good anyway. Not sure why you always are so desperate to make sure everyone knows you are absolutely disappointed in anything and everything Flyers related.

God forbid we have 3-4 prospects to be excited about and not an entire pool of Richards, Ovechkins, Lidstroms and Brodeurs.
Most of them he compared them to were steady nhl players, unless i misread them, were they not? God forbid 3 or 4 prospects drafted out the 1st rd ever pan out and have a career with the Flyers.

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Most of them he compared them to were steady nhl players, unless i misread them, were they not? God forbid 3 or 4 prospects drafted out the 1st rd ever pan out and have a career with the Flyers.
really Steve Eminger? he's someone to be excited about? Ryan Carter? no thanks. Eric Nystrom . . . blah. Jamie McGinn, Winchester, Tootoo. Nope, Nada and MAYBE.

Most were guys you don't want on your team and could easily be replaced.

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really Steve Eminger? he's someone to be excited about? Ryan Carter? no thanks. Eric Nystrom . . . blah. Jamie McGinn, Winchester, Tootoo. Nope, Nada and MAYBE.

Most were guys you don't want on your team and could easily be replaced.

Being compared to Derian Hatcher late in his career got me all kinds of excited

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Being compared to Derian Hatcher late in his career got me all kinds of excited
Yea that Denis Gauthier is a monster lol


Glad Bob didnt look out of place and did a good job. Pretty good for a 21 yr old goalie who just came over to America. Being honest, I didnt expect him to play that well

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Glad to see Harper get some love (from the media) for his hard work in all three zones. He is super intense and takes his profession very seriously. It seems like Pither and Harper have a great deal of chemisty, based on the practices. Hopefully they can get some time together on the Phantoms (looks like Pither will be 1/2C and Harper will be 3RW, so I am not sure about that). Probably be another 2 years (signed a 3 year deal) before Harper gets a legitimate crack at the Flyers, but either way that would be pretty cool for him. The Blogger said Harper needed to use his shot a bit more, but that sounds weird to me because he "always" shoots whenever I seen him play over the last 10-15 years (he was going against Bob all Camp and seemed to have nice chemistry with Pither, so maybe his patience with the puck opened up passing lanes).

I am not saying he doesn't deserve to make the Flyers within the next 2 years, I am just saying I can't imagine a role would stay open for him to grab without the Flyers GM bringing in FA or trade help for a 3rd line winger with 2nd line capabilities...unless the Flyers continue to be right up against the Cap and need a cheap replacement.

Sounds like the Prospects competed hard over the camp, which is all we can ask from these guys.

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really Steve Eminger? he's someone to be excited about? Ryan Carter? no thanks. Eric Nystrom . . . blah. Jamie McGinn, Winchester, Tootoo. Nope, Nada and MAYBE.

Most were guys you don't want on your team and could easily be replaced.
Are the nhl players? yes they are for the most part. No one said they were all great nor to get that excited about. The point was most will never make it to the nhl so comparing htem ot nhl players is a bit much imo. The chances 30% of those flyers prospects even play in the nhl is pushing it. The funny part is the flyers have rarely developed guys (less the 1st round picks) into even guys has good as those mentioned above that can carve a niche in the nhl, so what do you think about that?

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Are the nhl players? yes they are for the most part. No one said they were all great nor to get that excited about. The point was most will never make it to the nhl so comparing htem ot nhl players is a bit much imo. The chances 30% of those flyers prospects even play in the nhl is pushing it. The funny part is the flyers have rarely developed guys (less the 1st round picks) into even guys has good as those mentioned above that can carve a niche in the nhl, so what do you think about that?
You know that, when they compare it means that if they really did well and played their game right, this is the sort of player they would turn out like? Like not skill wise but game playing wise? Scouting agencies do this for almost every player.

Yes yes, we know. You dislike our prospects, but most of us arent downers like you. We hope they can make it. Will they? Maybe not, but to keep saying that they wont make it and its a waste of time following them is getting out of hand. Who the **** cares if we dont have a bluechip and just because in the past the Flyers havent done it, to say it wont happen in the future is laughable.

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Huh? What hype?
Really, what hype is he talking about?

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Those guys on D have a<.01% of making this team no matter how well they play. They will not even be given for lack of a better word a long look in camp. Most ofThe forwards are also a longshot, with Nodl the best chance. Also the cap hit for those forwards you mentioned is like 800k for most of those guys, though you have much better handle on what they make if they are in the nhl. As a matter of fact what is the cap hit for those guys if they play in the nhl if you dont mind. Shooter will again invite a few nhl vets to camp that will be cheaper options $ wise, though they obviously have to show something.
an injury or two on defense would certainly warrant a call-up, and there is a much better chance than .01% that it will happen.

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Really, what hype is he talking about?
The guy dislikes all our current prospects. He takes shots at all of them whenever he can.

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You know that, when they compare it means that if they really did well and played their game right, this is the sort of player they would turn out like? Like not skill wise but game playing wise? Scouting agencies do this for almost every player.

Yes yes, we know. You dislike our prospects, but most of us arent downers like you. We hope they can make it. Will they? Maybe not, but to keep saying that they wont make it and its a waste of time following them is getting out of hand. Who the **** cares if we dont have a bluechip and just because in the past the Flyers havent done it, to say it wont happen in the future is laughable.
My bad optimistic super fan. Not a downer a realist chief. I have been around long enough(yes there was hockey before the internet) to see so many prospects come and go to never be heard of again. Seen all the hype and all the talk of the next star that never seems to pan out. It is more laughable to say it will happen in the future based on how it hasnt in the past dont you think? Does that mean it will never happen of course not.

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The guy dislikes all our current prospects. He takes shots at all of them whenever he can.
What a shock yoru wrong. I dont dislike all of them i just dont think they will all pan out like you do, i dont overrate them like most here do. It isnt taking shots it is calling it like i see it.
Is there a prospect that you dont think will make it out of: marshall, bourdon,the finnish guy, Maroon, legion, Nodl, Kalinski, Erickson, Bobo the clown. The 2 new flavors Gustifson and Testwuide? Probably not.

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