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07-13-2010, 09:40 AM
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Hamrlik is gone after this year. His game is not suited for this NHL loaded with puck moving defensmen and tall, big and mobile specimen defensmen. We already have Gorges who will do his job and is way younger. This team needs another skilled D in their squad. Subban and Markov is good but not enough. O'Byrne is no more than a 6th D and I still don't know about Carle.
I think that Spacek will take Hammer's spot for a year on his good side.

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Dan McGillis, Cheechoo, Witt, Kyle McLaren, Peter Schaefer, Mark Bell, Darius Kasparaitis, Curtis Joseph, Vitaly Vishnevski, Manny Legace, and Miroslav Satan were all dumped in the minors. There are more that I'm forgetting.

Teams do what it takes to win. Why would they not? Dumping players is a common thing and, if a team is not willing to do it, then that is not a team a fan should rightly support. Who the hell wants to be the fan of a team with a cheapskate owner who only focuses on the bottom line?
Virtually all the players you listed are in the minors because their skills deteriorated to the point where they could no longer play the NHL game. Hamrlik has his bad games to be sure, but if you're saying he's as bad as McLaren and Kasparaitis were when they were waived...no.

I still would like someone to answer the question as to why, if dumping players on big contracts is a common and viable solution, the Blackhawks were willing to lose 5 or 6 pretty good players instead of just burying Huet?

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07-13-2010, 11:12 AM
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Virtually all the players you listed are in the minors because their skills deteriorated to the point where they could no longer play the NHL game. Hamrlik has his bad games to be sure, but if you're saying he's as bad as McLaren and Kasparaitis were when they were waived...no.

I still would like someone to answer the question as to why, if dumping players on big contracts is a common and viable solution, the Blackhawks were willing to lose 5 or 6 pretty good players instead of just burying Huet?
Before the Hjalmarsson offer sheet they needed about 11-12 mil in cap room, so they had to dump salary AND send Huet to the minors. Niemi getting an offer sheet or big artibtration award could force them to dump another contract(Sharp?).

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07-13-2010, 11:21 AM
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Before the Hjalmarsson offer sheet they needed about 11-12 mil in cap room, so they had to dump salary AND send Huet to the minors. Niemi getting an offer sheet or big artibtration award could force them to dump another contract(Sharp?).
They already do. They have 15 players signed with $110,000 left under the cap.

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Virtually all the players you listed are in the minors because their skills deteriorated to the point where they could no longer play the NHL game. Hamrlik has his bad games to be sure, but if you're saying he's as bad as McLaren and Kasparaitis were when they were waived...no.

I still would like someone to answer the question as to why, if dumping players on big contracts is a common and viable solution, the Blackhawks were willing to lose 5 or 6 pretty good players instead of just burying Huet?
It's simple. Because Huet makes 5.625 million. They needed to clear way more cap space than that. Look closely at their cap structure.

This is what their looks like pre-offer sheet:
Brouwer (1.025) - Toews (6.3) - Kane (6.3)
Kopecky (1.2) - Sharp (3.9) - Hossa (5.275)
Stalberg (.85) - Bolland (3.375) - Skille (RFA, 0.5-1M?)
Beach (1.18) - Reasoner (1.15) - Bickell (0.5M?)

Keith (5.5) - Seabrook (3.5)
Campbell (7.14) - Hjalmarsson (w/o offer sheet, about 3.0M)
Scott (0.5) - Connelly (0.875)

Niemi (2.5 M?)
Crawford (0.8)

Total: 55.37 M
Bonus penalties: 4.158 M

Cap hit: 59.5 M

There simply was no room for Huet AND Versteeg, Byfuglien or Ladd. This is also assuming that Niemi doesn't ask for more money, nor do Skille or Bickell. Ladd had to be traded because, on top of Hjalmarsson and Niemi, he would made another RFA problem.

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I still would like someone to answer the question as to why, if dumping players on big contracts is a common and viable solution, the Blackhawks were willing to lose 5 or 6 pretty good players instead of just burying Huet?
Huet will get buried. Probably loaned to a European team. They still needed to get rid of those salaries that they traded away.

On another note, this should serve as a warning to players and teams that just running out and signing the biggest offer/player isn't always good business. Chicago had Khabby when they signed Huet. Why did they bother in the first place?

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On another note, this should serve as a warning to players and teams that just running out and signing the biggest offer/player isn't always good business. Chicago had Khabby when they signed Huet. Why did they bother in the first place?
Because Khabbi had sucked that year, Chicago felt they needed top-notch goaltending, and Huet was coming off an awesome season. The plan at the time was to bury or trade Khabibulin. Khabbi then had a strong year, which led the Oilers to foolishly award him a three-year deal.

Which brings to mind all kinds of warnings about evaluating players, especially performers as volatile as goaltenders, on the strength of a single half-season or playoff run. Goaltending can be a huge difference-maker (as the Habs well know) but you have to wonder whether it's worth paying big money because basically any goalie can get hot. I'm also starting to wonder whether team effects on goaltending are accounted to the appropriate level.

Much is made about goaltending, but it's becoming pretty clear that at the NHL level the difference between starters is small, and the ability to detect a good one is iffy. We're already seeing the beginning of a trend where teams decline to spend big money on goaltending, because of a growing feeling that the odds of one goalie going hot is not much different than another's so the money is better spent elsewhere, and there are so few truly elite guys (and one might question whether the money is worth the real difference there is between an OK starter and an elite starter!). I think a future where goalies are viewed much like football kickers -- you need one, ideally a good one, but they're not a big deal -- is not entirely out of the question.

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LeBrun tweets - "Agent for Simon Gagne tells ESPN.com he's been given permission by Flyers to talk directly to teams but so far there's no deal..."

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this thread is suck. based on lies. so pointless yet i keep reading. summer for hockey is the worst.

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07-14-2010, 06:07 PM
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I bet Gauthier has already proposed to flyers.. something like Andrei Kostitsyn and a 2nd round pick for Simon Gagné, otherwise it's either a prospect (better not be Eller, Subban, Kristo, Leblanc, and Palushaj) and a 1st round pick.

I doubt they will trade Harmlik since he has a no-mouvement on his contract and no one would want him because of his age and contract.

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