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07-14-2010, 10:11 AM
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I have two questions: 1) How did the team improve from adding Biron, MZA and Boogaard from the one glaring weakness - scoring?
2) What is wrong with the idea of maintaing the status quo? Trying to secure the top pick and go for players like RNH or Rattie or Puempel. Too many top teams went that route to ignore the results.
I'm tired of the FA market playground and the clowns that go along with it. We don't have the GM to play in that playground so lets embrace a different direction.
From that perspective - Clark is making the decisions, not Slats.

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07-14-2010, 10:17 AM
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I have two questions: 1) How did the team improve from adding Biron, MZA and Boogaard from the one glaring weakness - scoring?
2) What is wrong with the idea of maintaing the status quo? Trying to secure the top pick and go for players like RNH or Rattie or Puempel. Too many top teams went that route to ignore the results.
I'm tired of the FA market playground and the clowns that go along with it. We don't have the GM to play in that playground so lets embrace a different direction.
1) When you are retooling, you hang a lot on each given season based on the presumption that your young players are going to get better from season to season. That means Anisimov, Del Zotto, and even Dubinsky's continued progression will be huge in determining our results this season.

This team generates a massive amount of revenue, and is never, ever going to enter a season with the goal of getting a high draft pick. It just isn't gonna happen. So we work with that we've got and move on.

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07-14-2010, 10:20 AM
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i see it this way. what have we done to address our main problem- lack of goal scoring ? dubi, cally, avery, arty- those guys might have better seasons sure but will they score more goals?

the only new player really is mza. hes talented but what impact will he have ?

we have kreider, mcd and stepan who seem to be guys who will play for us soon.

grachev is close as well. but none can be counted on this year.

as for our veterans, its hard to undervalue redden, rozy and capt quaalude.

i mean one is a borderline nhl'er, the other an average 2nd pair dman who does not shoot the puck and the team capt is an aging, slowing checking centerman who's best attribute is penalty killing.

is hard to be realistic with this bunch without sounding negative. so many ifs... and we havent even begun to mention injuries.
Goal scoring will continue to be the problem, you're correct.

However, outside of Kovalchuk I'm not sure there was a legitimate option. When you start throwing money places you end up with the Drury's and Redden's and the very people you and I agree are hurting the team.

Our prospects all have potential. We'll see what team comes out of camp.

I wouldn't expect Grachev or Stepan to make the team but at the same time Sather and Torts' quotes about them seem very interesting.

Dubi and Arty taking steps forward. Kreider in the future.

I disagree though and think it's very easy to undervalue Rozy, Redden, and Drury.

Redden is a bottom pair defenseman. Whether people want to believe that or not I'm sorry. He is an albatross for this organization because of the money. In a salary cap world you can't discount that, however if we're assessing play he is fine on the bottom pair.

Rozsival is more undervalued than any player on this team and has been for years. His biggest fault is his mistakes are glaring ones that people harp on for the next three months, all while simultaneously failing to acknowledge how well he's played over that same time.

Drury is the type of player you need on your team. It's just unfortunate that his cap hit is crippling as well. He's the best third line ever though. Love your nickname for him though.

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07-14-2010, 10:44 AM
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I expect this team to battle for spots 6-8. We wont be any worse then we were last year. But we have the potential to be better. For once we didnt go out and sign any big time free agents and imo that will help early on in terms of Chemistry.

Keys to the season will be:

1. Now with Biron giving Hank oppurtunity to rest EARLY. I dont care what type of slide we are on or what type of roll we are on he must get rest early...Its impossible to reverse it later in the season, no matter how many days of rest he gets towards the end once you over use him, you've already done the damage.

2. PROTECT THE STARS EARLY.. Prust and Boogard have to set that tone early. The first time someone runs hank or hit Gabby they need to establish your going to get your face punched in, even if it brings us down a man for a while. The man in net you just protected with kill off the penalty.

3. Get in the corners get dirty and crash the net like a bunch of mother ****ers... We're not gonna score alot of fancy looking goals aside from Gabbys... So crash that net, fire that puck at the net and attack it. too many time last year i saw people aimlessly fling the biscuit at the goalie with no one there to get the rebounds. You must pay the price for the goals on this team.

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07-14-2010, 11:18 AM
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I think the key to this season will once again be the stretch between December-February.

They need to stay away from the annual slump they are accustomed to and that starts with better play at home. I don't care what roster you have there's no excuse for having a better road record than home record like we saw last year.

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07-14-2010, 11:26 AM
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I think the key to this season will once again be the stretch between December-February.

They need to stay away from the annual slump they are accustomed to and that starts with better play at home. I don't care what roster you have there's no excuse for having a better road record than home record like we saw last year.
Not over using hank will help with that.

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07-14-2010, 11:34 AM
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1) When you are retooling, you hang a lot on each given season based on the presumption that your young players are going to get better from season to season. That means Anisimov, Del Zotto, and even Dubinsky's continued progression will be huge in determining our results this season.

This team generates a massive amount of revenue, and is never, ever going to enter a season with the goal of getting a high draft pick. It just isn't gonna happen. So we work with that we've got and move on.

Totally understand what you are saying and I agree with the premise that you expect more production from your young players. But there is also that plateau, and Dubi might produce 3-5 more goals and AA might produce 3-5 more goals. Those productions should cover Joke's 1/2 yr production. Getting closer but no cigar. Still falling short. I am not trying to paint a gloom and doom picture-however I don't see the improvement and I am just trying to picture the reality of it all. I have no problem with trying to secure a higher ranked draft pick instead of our normal 17th+ pick. I like the idea of trying to improve this club through the draft and the higher the picks the better off we are. There is already a proven track record for high draft picks equalling a competitive team for years to come. I don't mind soiling our reputation of one cup in 69 years if it means a better team 5 years from now.
The idea of generating revenue as the main objective to such a plan makes doesn't make sense. They will generate the revenue whether or not they are successful.


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07-14-2010, 12:13 PM
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I wonder if we'll at the top (bottom?) for Goals Scored differential between our #1 and #2 guys. I'd have to check my chart again, but I believe Pittsburgh was #1 at 23 goals, but they had Crosby at 50+ and 4 20G+ scorers (including Crosby). Tampa Bay was tied with us at 22 goals with Stamkos at 50+, but they also had 5 20G+ scorers (including Stamkos). We had Gaborik at 42, and 2 AT 20 goals.

I'm also convinced I'm the only person who finds this stat interesting.

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07-14-2010, 01:31 PM
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I wonder if we'll at the top (bottom?) for Goals Scored differential between our #1 and #2 guys. I'd have to check my chart again, but I believe Pittsburgh was #1 at 23 goals, but they had Crosby at 50+ and 4 20G+ scorers (including Crosby). Tampa Bay was tied with us at 22 goals with Stamkos at 50+, but they also had 5 20G+ scorers (including Stamkos). We had Gaborik at 42, and 2 AT 20 goals.

I'm also convinced I'm the only person who finds this stat interesting.
Paging Mr. Drury, Mr. Drury, you have a telephone call at the front desk...

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07-14-2010, 02:51 PM
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Paging Mr. Drury, Mr. Drury, you have a telephone call at the front desk...
Drury, 10 scorers above and below him.

PlayerTeamPosGPG APPPGSalaryGP$
Chris DruryNYRC771418320.42$8,050,0000.00000398
Dion PhaneufCGY,TORD811220320.40$6,500,0000.00000492
Marc SavardBOSC411023330.80$5,000,0000.00000660
Sean AveryNYRL691120310.45$4,000,0000.00000775
Michael RyderBOSR821815330.40$4,000,0000.00000825
Chris KunitzPITL501319320.64$3,600,0000.00000889
Andrei KostitsynMTLL591518330.56$3,250,0000.00001015
Fedor TyutinCBJD80626320.40$2,700,0000.00001185
Owen NolanMINR731617330.45$2,750,0000.00001200
Dennis SeidenbergFLA, BOSD79428320.41$2,250,0000.00001422
Keith TkachukSTLL671319320.48$2,150,0000.00001488
Chris KellyOTTC811517320.40$2,000,0000.00001600
Radek DvorakFLAR761418320.42$1,600,0000.00002000
Scottie UpshallPHXR491814320.65$1,500,0000.00002133
Carlo ColaiacovoSTLD67725320.481,400,0000.00002286
Curtis GlencrossCGYL671518330.49$1,200,0000.00002750
Kyle BrodziakMINC82923320.39$1,050,0000.00003048
Nigel Dawes CGYL661418320.48$850,0000.00003765
Martin HanzalPHXC811122330.41$850,0000.00003882
Manny MalhotraSJSC711419330.46$700,0000.00004714
Ryan PotulnyEDMC641517320.50$595,0000.00005378

Top 10 Expensive Forward Contracts according to CapGeek

NAMETEAMPOSAGESALARYGPGAPPPGPP$
Crosby, SidneyPITF22$9,000,0008151581091.350.000012
Ovechkin, AlexanderWASF24$9,000,0007250591091.510.000012
Richards, BradDALF30$7,800,000802467911.140.000012
Heatley, DanySANF29$8,000,000823943821.000.000010
Malkin, EvgeniPITF23$9,000,000672849771.150.000009
Gomez, ScottMTLF30$8,000,000781247590.760.000007
Spezza, JasonOTTF27$8,000,000602334570.950.000007
Lecavalier, VincentTBLF30$10,000,000822446700.850.000007
Hossa, MarianCHIF31$7,900,000572427510.890.000006
Drury, ChrisNYRF33$8,000,000771418320.420.000004


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07-14-2010, 04:12 PM
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I wonder if we'll at the top (bottom?) for Goals Scored differential between our #1 and #2 guys. I'd have to check my chart again, but I believe Pittsburgh was #1 at 23 goals, but they had Crosby at 50+ and 4 20G+ scorers (including Crosby). Tampa Bay was tied with us at 22 goals with Stamkos at 50+, but they also had 5 20G+ scorers (including Stamkos). We had Gaborik at 42, and 2 AT 20 goals.

I'm also convinced I'm the only person who finds this stat interesting.
I have no problem with the stat, it just doesn't portray the problem with the team or the fact that two teams can have the same results and be at total opposites of the spectrum in regards to how they got there. It might support how they controlled the overall season but it not an indicator of where they will end up at the end of the PO season.

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07-14-2010, 05:17 PM
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Season Expectations: I expect about as many wins as losses.

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07-14-2010, 05:35 PM
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There are so many variables.

Can Gaborik stay healthy for another season? Will Prospal continue his up-and-down trend? Will AA progress or regress? Will MZA boom or struggle to adapt? Will we go with more youth on the blue line, and if so, can Gilroy and McDonagh handle a full NHL season on the 3rd pairing? Is this the year? Maybe next year? ESPN 2?

I pretty much expect that we'll be a borderline playoff team again, and Sather will do whatever he can to try and squeak into a spot.
The young blue line will have the single biggest impact on this season. Do you go with your best minute guys on the top line with Roszival and Staal? That leaves alot of inexperience on the other two pairs. If you split them you are looking at a dilluted pairing that may not hang with the top lines around the league. With Gilroy, Del Zotto and McDonagh learning on the job, fans have to deal with alot of growing pains. I wonder if Redden is the better option, not for the team but for the well being of the young defenders.

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07-14-2010, 05:57 PM
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I've pointed this out several times around here, and Shamrock touches on it a bit above, but you simply do not get lucky for "years and years". I'll concede that the Rangers have been lucky in that they've been able to avoid the freak long-term injury (skate cuts, broken legs from board impacts, etc.), but a HUGE component of that luck is the fact that Reg Grant and his staff are simply the class of the NHL when it comes to training. The Rangers deep pockets still allow them to have an advantage off the ice, and the training facility/staff is definitely one aspect of the organization for which this advantage has been employed very successfully.
You are 100% on the training and facility stuff but there's alot more luck here then you think. The Rangers only play 41 games at home the rest are at other arenas on other ice. Plus all the training in the world doesn't stop a player from getting hurt when another player cheapshots him.

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