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07-16-2010, 01:09 PM
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I am not really worried about Savards production, he was over a PPG just a season ago. The concussion history is a worry. That having been said, his cap hit is 4 million. I think we have to take a chance simply because his cap hit is so low.
One wrong and one right doesn't equal a good situation.

His cap hit may be low, but the years is way too much. And Savard's best years are behind him.

That move would be a hell of a lot worse than a Demitra signing or similar, to which the majority of the Rangers' board blew up because of.

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One wrong and one right doesn't equal a good situation.

His cap hit may be low, but the years is way too much. And Savard's best years are behind him.

That move would be a hell of a lot worse than a Demitra signing or similar, to which the majority of the Rangers' board blew up because of.
You are probably right, i can't believe they signed him for an additional 7 years. There is still a small part of me that thinks as far as points goes he could do 80 80 70 60 50 retire. But there are too many questions. And like many people have mentioned, he isn't pushing us over a hump as far as playoff contention is concerned.

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07-16-2010, 02:07 PM
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torts

This convo is pointless, do you know that TORTS is the coach.

If a player kicks up to much ice on a turn he gets his line switched.

There is no such thing as a line on this team, which is why there is no chemistry.

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Line combos on Torts teams are irrelevant, as they change every 5 minutes.

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07-16-2010, 03:13 PM
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Regardless of line changing, I think we will see a lot better chemistry this year simply because we didn't turnover half the roster like we normally do.

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Regardless of line changing, I think we will see a lot better chemistry this year simply because we didn't turnover half the roster like we normally do.
Summer isn't over yet. Sather still has another two and a half months until the start of the season. He is still trying to make some deals and bring in other possible top 6 players in (The offer to Demitra / Offering the reported two year $15 million contract to Kovalchuk / Inquiring about Gagne / etc).

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07-16-2010, 03:35 PM
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prospal christensen gaborik
dubinsky ansimov MZA
avery drury callahan
prust boyle boogard

stall rozsival
MDZ girardi
redden MCD

anyone who thinks this lineup wins games is dellusional.

thats a bottom 5 team right there.

adam larsson bad.


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07-16-2010, 03:37 PM
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prospal christensen gaborik
dubinsky ansimov MZA
avery drury callahan
prust boyle boogard

stall rozsival
MDZ girardi
redden MCD

anyone who thinks this lineup wins games is dellusional.

thats a bottom 5 team right there.

adam larsson bad.


If they actually get a top-5 pick this upcoming season I would be ecstatic honestly. As long as I don't see any veteran stop-gaps playing and actually get to see some young players grow.

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07-16-2010, 03:39 PM
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So by losing Jokinen, Kotalik, and Lisin, our team went from 9th in the conference to bottom 5 in the league.

Count me amongst the thoroughly confused.

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07-16-2010, 03:54 PM
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So by losing Jokinen, Kotalik, and Lisin, our team went from 9th in the conference to bottom 5 in the league.

Count me amongst the thoroughly confused.
let me unconfuse you.

we, so far, have failed to address our most pressing needs- goal scoring and an impact defenseman. meanwhile, our opponents have not. take a look around at what the guys were going to be playing have done.

we dont play in a vacuum. what we did last year doesnt matter this year. the game has changed, the opposition has improved or stayed the same- really good..... while we stayed the same or got worse.

besides a pretty decent start to last season, we mostly struggled the rest of the year. a few wins the last few weeks against some also rands gave us a chance to make the dance.

this team just hasnt got anyone to score goals once our opponents begin to shut down the gaby line and we still have no one to counter a heavy pressure forecheck.

this year will look alot like last year. only worse im afraid.

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07-18-2010, 12:03 PM
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Dont discredit familiarity and continuity.

We might be angry that the Rangers are icing the same team as last season, but I personally think they will end up with the 6 or 7 seed. That's not bad considering it's still a soft rebuild.

My lines are pretty much what everybody else has. But Torts will not stick with the same lines for long. I foresee MZA, Callahan, Avery and Drury going through production droughts, so there will be a lot of swapping on the top 2 lines and pp units.

All I'd like to see Grachev get a call up. Dubi, AA, Cally, Girardi all got brief call ups and used it to their advantage. He doesnt have to play half th season. Just 10-15 games and I'll be happy.

Most of all, I expect another Vezina-type year for Henrik. Thank god no Olympics. hopefully he's healed and doesnt hit a wall in december.

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07-18-2010, 01:15 PM
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Things will of course change during the year et c. But there are a few things I would like to look into. If the lines below can come together I think we have a PO team.

First line:
Dubinsky-Christensen-Gaborik//This is my option nr 1. A lot is won if this line can get it done, especially since Prospal would be spared for the lower lines.

Second line:
Drury-Prospal-MZA
I am kind of intrigued by this line. Maybe it would be too weak/leight, but all three can play some, Drury have a good shoot and MZA could open up space for him. You know it would have a ton of energy.

If don't work, Avery can be used by on LW on that line.

Anyway, I think the 2nd line is the key to our season. I am 100% sure MZA can get something done right away -- in the right environment.

Third line and fourth line:
Avery-Anisimov-Callahan
Energy line.

Prust-Boyle-Massmurderer
Energy line.

//We saw last season how things can get done with pure will and attitude, alone with a lot of size et c. I think these two lines are a pretty big strength. They will get under the skin of the teams we face, they can back up anything they start et c.

If we can find a 2nd line that works -- we could be a versatile and deep team. But we need that 2nd line that can be offensively creative, open things up -- and be darn sneaky and score the odd goals.

Staal-Rozi

MDZ-Girardi

Redden-Gilroy

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I'm bored so here are my point predictions as of right now:

Gaborik 45-37-82
Dubinsky 21-32-53
Anisimov 21-27-48
Christensen 14-30-44
Prospal 16-27-43
Callahan 21-17-38
MZA 14-20-34
Drury 12-16-28
Avery 11-16-27
Weise 8-12-20
Grachev 4-6-10
Prust 9-9-18
Boyle 2-3-5
Boogaard 0-2-2

MDZ 10-33-43
Staal 6-24-30
Girardi 6-21-27
Rozsival 7-16-24
McD 3-13-16
Gilroy 2-5-7
Eminger 0-5-5

Total Goals: 230


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07-18-2010, 07:51 PM
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Gaborik 38-42-80
Dubinsky 25-32-57
Prospal 17-27-44
Anisimov 17-25-42
MZA 17-25-42
Drury 17-21-38
Christensen 12-29-41
Callahan 19-19-38
Avery 12-15-27
Prust 7-9-16
Weise 5-5-10
Boyle 4-6-10
Boogaard 0-2-2

MDZ 10-33-43
Staal 7-25-32
Girardi 6-19-25
Rozsival 5-20-25
Gilroy 5-13-18
McD 5-10-15
Eminger 0-5-5

228 goals scored

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07-18-2010, 08:43 PM
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Gaborik 45-42-87
Dubinsky 25-34-59
Prospal 22-27-49
MZA 24-25-49
Anisimov 21-25-46
Drury 15-24-39
Christensen 12-28-40
Callahan 20-23-43
Avery 12-16-28
Prust 10-12-22
Weise 5-6-11
Boyle 3-9-12
Boogaard 0-3-3

MDZ 12-34-46
Staal 8-29-37
Girardi 7-21-28
Rozsival 6-22-28
Gilroy 8-24-32
McD 9-20-29
Eminger 2-12-14

this is if they gel together looks like a **** team on paper but anything can happen when a team has great chemistry... TORTS DONT PLAY MUSICAL CHAIRS WITH THE LINES PLEASE

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07-18-2010, 08:47 PM
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In Torts defense- 3rd line players are 3rd line players no matter how much chemistry you inject into the equation.
Five fans will have five different lines,all Torts is doing is giving equal time to each fan.

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07-18-2010, 10:38 PM
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Things will of course change during the year et c. But there are a few things I would like to look into. If the lines below can come together I think we have a PO team.

First line:
Dubinsky-Christensen-Gaborik//This is my option nr 1. A lot is won if this line can get it done, especially since Prospal would be spared for the lower lines.

Second line:
Drury-Prospal-MZA
I am kind of intrigued by this line. Maybe it would be too weak/leight, but all three can play some, Drury have a good shoot and MZA could open up space for him. You know it would have a ton of energy.

If don't work, Avery can be used by on LW on that line.

Anyway, I think the 2nd line is the key to our season. I am 100% sure MZA can get something done right away -- in the right environment.

Third line and fourth line:
Avery-Anisimov-Callahan
Energy line.

Prust-Boyle-Massmurderer
Energy line.

//We saw last season how things can get done with pure will and attitude, alone with a lot of size et c. I think these two lines are a pretty big strength. They will get under the skin of the teams we face, they can back up anything they start et c.

If we can find a 2nd line that works -- we could be a versatile and deep team. But we need that 2nd line that can be offensively creative, open things up -- and be darn sneaky and score the odd goals.

Staal-Rozi

MDZ-Girardi

Redden-Gilroy
The first line is scary but Dubi will drop the gloves and I doubt he was on the ice when carcillo and the franchise threw punches last year. Christensen I am unimpressed by but I think he enjoys the NY lifestyle, wants to be on the Rangers, is affordable, has decent wheels and perhaps could surprise. Worth a shot to see if there is some chemistry there. Also allows Prospal to drop to 2nd line which is a net positive.

I like the look of that 2nd line too as I think Drury can post better numbers than last year (lets all hope so). Prospal is due for a regression as is his pattern but he slots nicely on the 2nd line with the wildcard UFA signing.

Regarding the 3rd line I have been saying over and over that Artem just doesn't have enough hockey sense. So slotting him on the 3rd line with Cally and Avery is a good move IMO. Artem said he wanted teammates who will stick up for him and with these two that will be no problem. Perhaps allowing artem to carry the puck MORE and feed the guys off the rush or just to dump in the corners and let them dig it out.

4th line is a no brainer. The only concern I have is that nobody from Hartford gets a taste of the show which is concerning as the message sent to grinders is that they can't make the team even when they do what coach wants.

the defensive situation will obviously hinge on the WADE. I am still shaking my head on Sanguinetti as much as I was on the Korpikoski deal.

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07-18-2010, 11:51 PM
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Gaborik 35-41-76
Dubinsky 22-33-55
Christensen 21-34-55
Prospal 14-35-49
Anisimov 19-28-47
Callahan 20-18-38
Drury 17-20-37
MZA 10-16-26
Prust 11-8-19
Avery 7-9-16
Weise 8-5-13
Boyle 5-8-13
Boogaard 0-1-1

MDZ 12-37-49
Staal 8-33-41
Rozsival 9-22-31
Girardi 5-18-23
Gilroy 4-17-21
McD 2-14-16
Eminger 3-11-14

Lines:

Prospal-Christensen-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
MZA-Drury-Prust
Avery-Boyle-Weise
Boogaard

Staal-Girardi
Rozsival-MDZ
McD-Eminger
Gilroy

Not optimistic about this season at all.

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