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07-19-2010, 09:08 AM
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Carter - Richards - Hartnell
Zherdev - Briere - Leino
JVR - Roo - Downie
Carcillo/Shelley -Betts - Lappy

Coburn - Pronger
Mesz - Kimmo
O'd - Carle
Bart

Smith
Leighton

or a top 9 of:

JVR - Carter - Giroux/Leino
Zherdev - Briere - Leino/Giroux
Hartnell - Richards - Downie


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I think it's funny so many people expect Hartnell-Briere-Leino to stick together.

I guarantee that line is done. They couldnt hack an 82 game season together. It worked because Leino and Briere elevated their games, that wont happen all season long.

JVR-Richards-Zherdev
Hartnell-Carter-Briere
Powe/Carcillo-Giroux-Leino
Shelley/Carcillo-Betts-Laperriere

Carle-Pronger
Meszaros-Timonen
Coburn-O'Donnell

Leighton
Boucher

I feel Shelley/Carcillo/Powe play a game of musical chairs until injuries strike. I have a feeling Lavy will have no problem sitting Shelley either.

I love the idea of a JVR-Giroux-Zherdev line based on skill, but I'd split them up. My biggest issue is Zherdev and Briere are good RW's, but does JVR play 1st or 3rd line minutes assuming Hartnell is on Carter's wing?

I would like JVR getting more ice time, but I could see them throwing Powe or Carcillo with Richards and Zherdev for the time being. The other alternative is a Leino-Richards-Zherdev line and move JVR to play JVR-Giroux-Powe which could also work.

Leino-Richards-Zherdev
Hartnell-Carter-Briere
JVR-Giroux-Powe
Shelley/Carcillo-Betts-Laperriere

Carle-Pronger
Meszaros-Timonen
Coburn-O'Donnell

Leighton
Boucher

I tried to make these lines as realistic as possible. I just can't decide if I like the 1st or 3rd set more.

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07-19-2010, 09:11 AM
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Carter - Richards - Hartnell
Zherdev - Briere - Leino
JVR - Roo - Downie
Carcillo/Shelley -Betts - Lappy

Coburn - Pronger
Mesz - Kimmo
O'd - Carle
Bart

Smith
Leighton
That would be one scary defensive line.

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07-19-2010, 09:15 AM
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That would be one scary defensive line.
I know I will get flak for this, but I think zherdev is gonna be better defensively than hartnell...his game has allegedly gotten better in his zone, and hartnell is not very good in our end (especially last year)

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That would be one scary defensive line.
They will be on the offensive zone the entire time. For real though, I have no clue how bad Zherdev is defensively, and I actually think Leino is much better than given credit for in his own zone. (I did think the same when I typed the lines though)

Maybe switch JVR and Leino? I dunno....

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I know I will get flak for this, but I think zherdev is gonna be better defensively than hartnell...his game has allegedly gotten better in his zone, and hartnell is not very good in our end (especially last year)
Agreed. I really dont know much about Zherdev though...so, grain of salt.

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07-19-2010, 09:25 AM
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Carter-richards-zherdev (very powerful line)
Leino-briere-carcillo
JVR-giroux-hartnell
Shelley-betts-lappy

Powe

NOW what we should do is discuss defensive lines!

What if we did...
Timonen-pronger
Carle-coburn
Meszaros-bartulis

O'donell

That'd be an interesting shakeup IMO

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I think it's funny so many people expect Hartnell-Briere-Leino to stick together.

I guarantee that line is done. They couldnt hack an 82 game season together. It worked because Leino and Briere elevated their games, that wont happen all season long.
I agree that the line probably won't work for 82 games, but I'll be shocked if they don't start the year together. It only makes sense to give it a shot and see if they can carry on where they left off. While that line certainly won't keep up the level of scoring they had in the finals, it's possible they could be a decent line during the season. I don't expect it, but you never know.

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07-19-2010, 09:34 AM
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Carter will not play LW. Get that **** out of your heads.

He's been play center for 5 NHL years. Jeff is basically our best scorer. So either Briere or Giroux will play on RW.

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I know I will get flak for this, but I think zherdev is gonna be better defensively than hartnell...his game has allegedly gotten better in his zone, and hartnell is not very good in our end (especially last year)
Really? Based on what? Because you've read some **** on Philly.com?

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I think that trying to figure out these lines will be impossible until training camp/preseason is complete.

1. Lavy will now have an entire offseason to work with the team.
2. Will JVR will be ready for an 82 game season plus playoffs?
3. How honest is Zherdev being about his improved defensive game?

With that being said, here would be my best guess:

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Nikolai Zherdev ($2.000m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($0.800m)
Daniel Carcillo ($1.075m) / Jeff Carter ($5.000m) / Claude Giroux ($0.821m)
Darroll Powe ($0.520m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Ian Laperriere ($1.166m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Michael Testwuide ($0.900m)

DEFENSEMEN
Matt Carle ($3.437m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Sean O'Donnell ($1.300m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($2.000m) /Michael Leighton ($1.550m)

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I think that trying to figure out these lines will be impossible until training camp/preseason is complete.

1. Lavy will now have an entire offseason to work with the team.
2. Will JVR will be ready for an 82 game season plus playoffs?
3. How honest is Zherdev being about his improved defensive game?

With that being said, here would be my best guess:

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Nikolai Zherdev ($2.000m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($0.800m)
Daniel Carcillo ($1.075m) / Jeff Carter ($5.000m) / Claude Giroux ($0.821m)
Darroll Powe ($0.520m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Ian Laperriere ($1.166m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Michael Testwuide ($0.900m)

DEFENSEMEN
Matt Carle ($3.437m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Sean O'Donnell ($1.300m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($2.000m) /Michael Leighton ($1.550m)
I think this is exactly what I want to see.

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07-19-2010, 10:04 AM
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Oops thought leino and hartnell played opposite sides in the playoffs.. I know JVR Is LW but there aren't enough RWs if I want Briere and Giroux to be Center.. Try moving him to right side?

And Briere is my fav player, so w/e line he's on is gonna be my top line LOL.
I love briere....fair enough!

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Oops thought leino and hartnell played opposite sides in the playoffs.. I know JVR Is LW but there aren't enough RWs if I want Briere and Giroux to be Center.. Try moving him to right side?

And Briere is my fav player, so w/e line he's on is gonna be my top line LOL.
I love briere....fair enough!

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07-19-2010, 10:21 AM
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Carter will not play LW. Get that **** out of your heads.

He's been play center for 5 NHL years. Jeff is basically our best scorer. So either Briere or Giroux will play on RW.

Really? Based on what? Because you've read some **** on Philly.com?
no, based on the fact that hartnell was utter garbage in our end last year.
even still, i'd prefer him with carter/richards
as for hartnell, i want him to play with giroux/JVR and maybe have a good year. Briere and leino can stick together and should start with carcillo (give them a shot together to start the year)

i'd LIKE to see:
Carter/Richards/Zherdev (it doesnt matter how good carter is at center, he will be fine on this wing and finally this year our top line will produce)
JVR-Giroux-Hartnell (jumpstart hartnell, give giroux the chance to run the show)
Leino-Briere-Carcillo (realistically shelley would be here even though i'd want carcillo) this gives briere a chance to score on some of the crappier lines in the league. THIS IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL 3rd LINE!! they would just utilize their abundance of offense and lack of defense by trying to capitalize while crappier players are on the ice who cant score anyways, so it doesnt matter if briere isnt stellar at defense

Carcillo-betts-lappy (i'd LIKE shelley instead of carcillo here, but i doubt we will see it. Anyways, this line is the obvious shut down line.)

to summarize:

carter-richards-zherdev (all around stacked line...can even do a bit of shutdown)
JVR-giroux-Hartnell (lesser, but still balanced)
Leino-Briere-Shelley (use on the other teams' bottom 2 or 3 lines)
Carcillo-betts-lappy (shutdown)
powe

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07-19-2010, 10:56 AM
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no, based on the fact that hartnell was utter garbage in our end last year.
even still, i'd prefer him with carter/richards
as for hartnell, i want him to play with giroux/JVR and maybe have a good year. Briere and leino can stick together and should start with carcillo (give them a shot together to start the year)

i'd LIKE to see:
Carter/Richards/Zherdev (it doesnt matter how good carter is at center, he will be fine on this wing and finally this year our top line will produce)
JVR-Giroux-Hartnell (jumpstart hartnell, give giroux the chance to run the show)
Leino-Briere-Carcillo (realistically shelley would be here even though i'd want carcillo) this gives briere a chance to score on some of the crappier lines in the league. THIS IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL 3rd LINE!! they would just utilize their abundance of offense and lack of defense by trying to capitalize while crappier players are on the ice who cant score anyways, so it doesnt matter if briere isnt stellar at defense

Carcillo-betts-lappy (i'd LIKE shelley instead of carcillo here, but i doubt we will see it. Anyways, this line is the obvious shut down line.)

to summarize:

carter-richards-zherdev (all around stacked line...can even do a bit of shutdown)
JVR-giroux-Hartnell (lesser, but still balanced)
Leino-Briere-Shelley (use on the other teams' bottom 2 or 3 lines)
Carcillo-betts-lappy (shutdown)
powe
1ts of all Hartnell will bounce back. He had a rough yeah with his marriage and all. Most of us, including my self did not understand it at 1st.

2nd, what you mean it does not matter? Carter is our best scorer. It matters.

then I skipped all of the writing and saw this ------>
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Leino-Briere-Shelley (use on the other teams' bottom 2 or 3 lines)
Are you on crack? Have you seen Shelley play?

I rather see J.Stevens coach again then to see lines you proposed.


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1ts of all Hartnell will bounce back. He had a rough yeah with his marriage and all. Most of us, including my self did not understand it at 1st.

2nd, what you mean it does not matter? Carter is our best scorer. It matters.

then I skipped all of the writing and saw this ------> Are you on crack? Have you seen Shelley play?

I rather see J.Stevens coach again then to see lines you proposed.
shelly aint gonna be on the 4th line bud...im not crazy about it either, but you dont sign someone for 1.3 for 3 years with the INTENTION of putting him on the 4th line. Yes i understand hartnell had a rough year, which is why i said zherdev next year > hartnell last year (defensively)

so that line wouldnt be getting worse, since they managed with hartnells crappy year why couldnt they manage with an improved line mate? (even if that improved line mate was next years hartnell)

no im not on crack, ******* carcillo stole all mine.

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I think it's funny so many people expect Hartnell-Briere-Leino to stick together.

I guarantee that line is done. They couldnt hack an 82 game season together. It worked because Leino and Briere elevated their games, that wont happen all season long.

JVR-Richards-Zherdev
Hartnell-Carter-Briere
Powe/Carcillo-Giroux-Leino
Shelley/Carcillo-Betts-Laperriere

Carle-Pronger
Meszaros-Timonen
Coburn-O'Donnell

Leighton
Boucher

I feel Shelley/Carcillo/Powe play a game of musical chairs until injuries strike. I have a feeling Lavy will have no problem sitting Shelley either.

I love the idea of a JVR-Giroux-Zherdev line based on skill, but I'd split them up. My biggest issue is Zherdev and Briere are good RW's, but does JVR play 1st or 3rd line minutes assuming Hartnell is on Carter's wing?

I would like JVR getting more ice time, but I could see them throwing Powe or Carcillo with Richards and Zherdev for the time being. The other alternative is a Leino-Richards-Zherdev line and move JVR to play JVR-Giroux-Powe which could also work.

Leino-Richards-Zherdev
Hartnell-Carter-Briere
JVR-Giroux-Powe
Shelley/Carcillo-Betts-Laperriere

Carle-Pronger
Meszaros-Timonen
Coburn-O'Donnell

Leighton
Boucher

I tried to make these lines as realistic as possible. I just can't decide if I like the 1st or 3rd set more.
The lines will change 1500 times throughout the season anyway, so of course that statement will turn out to be true. To guarantee they are done as a line is not in your control so it isn't a guarantee I would make. I don't see them together all year either but at points I'm relatively sure they will be. I don't think we've ever had a line that stayed together all year, and that includes the Legion of Doom and the Hartnell Carter Lupul line. These are just what most of us see as the starting point.

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shelly aint gonna be on the 4th line bud...im not crazy about it either, but you dont sign someone for 1.3 for 3 years with the INTENTION of putting him on the 4th line. Yes i understand hartnell had a rough year, which is why i said zherdev next year > hartnell last year (defensively)

so that line wouldnt be getting worse, since they managed with hartnells crappy year why couldnt they manage with an improved line mate? (even if that improved line mate was next years hartnell)

no im not on crack, ******* carcillo stole all mine.
Explains why Cristobel Huet was getting paid 5+ million to sit on the bench for most of the season (and all of the playoffs). EDIT: Maybe that wasn't the intention, bad example on my part. But Shelley in general is not a playmaker, and on this team, the 3rd line is a scoring line, so it doesn't make sense to put him there.

Realistically, in terms of per year cap hit, Shelley gets paid more than Carcillo, Giroux and Leino. So by this logic, two of those three guys should be on the 4th line.

It's a bad signing... his real salary should be about 800k... Homer doesn't create the lines, Lavy does. Homer just gives Lavy a ridiculous situation to deal with.


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What will the numbers look like?

Meszaros: 14 --> ?
Zherdev: 13 --> ?
O'Donnell: 6
Shelley: 45

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Explains why Cristobel Huet was getting paid 5+ million to sit on the bench for most of the season (and all of the playoffs). EDIT: Maybe that wasn't the intention, bad example on my part. But Shelley in general is not a playmaker, and on this team, the 3rd line is a scoring line, so it doesn't make sense to put him there.

Realistically, in terms of per year cap hit, Shelley gets paid more than Carcillo, Giroux and Leino. So by this logic, two of those three guys should be on the 4th line.

It's a bad signing... his real salary should be about 800k... Homer doesn't create the lines, Lavy does. Homer just gives Lavy a ridiculous situation to deal with.
the intention is to have shelley play, so lets give him a shot eh?

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What will the numbers look like?

Meszaros: 14 --> ?
Zherdev: 13 --> ?
O'Donnell: 6
Shelley: 45
Meszaros is 41, Zherdev has yet to be given a number.

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What will the numbers look like?

Meszaros: 14 --> ?
Zherdev: 13 --> ?
O'Donnell: 6
Shelley: 45
Meszaros: 14 --> 41
Zherdev: 13 --> 99

O'Donnell: 6
Shelley: 45

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the intention is to have shelley play, so lets give him a shot eh?
I think starting with the 4th line is just fine.

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