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07-19-2010, 03:11 PM
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Would you sign Frolov???

this guy has the tools, but does he have the heart?

played well with cammy.......

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07-19-2010, 03:14 PM
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i am the gm?

well, I would have a long discussion with Cammy and ask him basically the same question.

if I had 4M (more or less), should I sign Frolov or try to invest it elsewhere.

whatever cammy would say, I'd do it.

otherwise, if I can't ask cammy, no I wouldn't.

I don't like investing 3.25M$ or more on headcases (Kost, Kovalev)

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Cap Space? Seriously guys Hamr's contract is seriously crippling us..for serious..

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if he accepts 5.5millions - Price salary

then yes i Sign frolov

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07-19-2010, 03:18 PM
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if he accepts 5.5millions - Price salary

then yes i Sign frolov
It's still good to have about 1M in free space. But then again I think Markov's gonna start the season on LTIR which will give us a bit of space... if he's off for 2 months it means about 1.83M saved.

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07-19-2010, 03:19 PM
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I would only if we can replace Andrei with him. If not, then no.

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We would have to move a player if we want to sign Frolov. Who is that player, and what do we move him for? The oft-mentioned candidates are Hamrlik or AK.

Hamrlik has an NTC, and anyway, he does as much for us on the ice as Frolov would.

So it's basically down to AK. But AK is cheaper and an RFA next summer. Do we show him no loyalty at all and make a (minor?) upgrade to Frolov? For how much more salary? If Frolov wants $5M, I say no way on any terms, because he's not worth that and I'm not paying any premiums. $4M? Well, that's only a bit more than AK. Would anybody out there give me a 2nd round pick or a decent prospect for AK? If I could get that for AK, get Frolov for $4M or less (and had somebody like Cammalleri vouch for Frolov), all in one fell swoop, then it sounds like it might be some form of minor upgrade at no appreciable cost. But I have no idea if any of that is possible. It sounds like Frolov wants more money, for starters.

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07-19-2010, 03:23 PM
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this guy has the tools, but does he have the heart?

played well with cammy.......

comments folks?
Forgetting about cap issues: Ouiiiiiiii!! He's the only FA I had my eyes on since july 1st.

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07-19-2010, 03:26 PM
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Apples and Oranges, I'm not sure there's really much difference between Frolov & Kostitsyn. It might just be better to let Kost's & hamrlik's contracts expire & use the cash to get someone grittier next year, than lock into 3 or 4 years of Frolov & be stuck, again.

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It's all about the price he's asking for. If we can fit him under the cap and he signs for a contract similar to A. Kosty it would be hard to pass up. To be honest, I think the Habs are at a point where they'd like to start developing their younger assets to see what they got. So to give them a chance at a spot should be a good opportunity to do that. As it is, there's so few spots available that to give one to Frolov wouldn't leave much for the prospects to work for.

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07-19-2010, 03:27 PM
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It's still good to have about 1M in free space. But then again I think Markov's gonna start the season on LTIR which will give us a bit of space... if he's off for 2 months it means about 1.83M saved.
true.
can Hamrlik be on the LTIR joke ^^

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07-19-2010, 03:29 PM
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true.
can Hamrlik be on the LTIR joke ^^
According to everyone here, Hamrlik's an all star...

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Apples and Oranges, I'm not sure there's really much difference between Frolov & Kostitsyn. It might just be better to let Kost's & hamrlik's contracts expire & use the cash to get someone grittier next year, than lock into 3 or 4 years of Frolov & be stuck, again.
AK is still 25 and RFA at the end of the season 3.25 cap
Frolov is 28 and UFA 2.9 cap

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07-19-2010, 03:31 PM
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If we can ship hammer + Maxwel for a pic hopefully a 2nd
then yes bring him on.
Then we could roll 3 offensive lines

Gionta-Gomez-AK
Cammy-Pleks-Frolov
Boyd-Eller-Pouliot
Lapierre-Pyatt-Moen
Darche

Would love to see Obyrne getting regular minutes playing with Spacek.

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07-19-2010, 03:33 PM
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No. I'd like the Habs to stay in a holding pattern until some questions are better answered like........

1. What's Markov's status going to be (since trading Hamrlik is a popular idea).
2. How is Subban going to progress (since trading Hamrlik is a popular idea).
3. How will AK play without the brotherly distraction?
4. How will Pouliot play?
5. Any less expensive surprises from the farm?

I agree to keep the Hamrlik and AK contracts and see what happens. There will be more flexibility next year and the true wants and needs will be better known based on the above.

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According to everyone here, Hamrlik's an all star...
No one has said that. Again with the exaggerations to try to prove yourself right. No one likes Hamrlik's cap hit, but that doesn't mean we can just get rid of him for nothing. He plays big minutes and in key situations, if you cannot find an effective replacement for him, then you do not trade him, especially if you're going to bring in a player at the same salary in a different position.

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07-19-2010, 03:35 PM
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this guy has the tools, but does he have the heart?

played well with cammy.......

comments folks?
Why do we need a thread on this every week? We have very little cap room...definitely not enough to pay Frolov's 5+ mil price tag.

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07-19-2010, 03:37 PM
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No one has said that. Again with the exaggerations to try to prove yourself right. No one likes Hamrlik's cap hit, but that doesn't mean we can just get rid of him for nothing. He plays big minutes and in key situations, if you cannot find an effective replacement for him, then you do not trade him, especially if you're going to bring in a player at the same salary in a different position.
Right, he played big minutes in key situations last year on a team which scraped it's way into playoffs and was a terrible team 5 on 5.

In the playoffs, he was benched and was outplayed by Subban.

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07-19-2010, 03:40 PM
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Right, he played big minutes in key situations last year on a team which scraped it's way into playoffs and was a terrible team 5 on 5.
What are you saying. When Markov went down, we were lucky to have Hamrlik on the team. I love the short memory people have.

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In the playoffs, he was benched and was outplayed by Subban.
He played bad for 6 games in one series. He played great against the pens and then was crap with the rest of the team against the Flyers.

So because of 6 games, we have to discredit everything Hamrlik did?

There is a difference between being overpaid and being terrible. Hamrlik is overpaid, but is still a top 4 d-man.

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07-19-2010, 03:41 PM
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If Andrei has a breakout season and scores 35 goals...He'll probably ask for 5 million on the open market. Habs won't resign him and I don't blame them.

At this point he's disposable. If you can move him and get frolov signed to play with Cam, that's a good move.

I would NOT get rid of Hamr for a guy like Frolov. He's too valuable at this point. The guy that must be moved is andreiK

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The attraction is the success he had with Cammalleri and that could be worth it. Considering the different UFA signings, I'd now be surprised Frolov would ask for less than $5M. I suddenly find him a little expensive. And at that price with Carey left to be signed, I don't think we can make that move.


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Why do we need a thread on this every week? We have very little cap room...definitely not enough to pay Frolov's 5+ mil price tag.
Some like to talk about Frolov, others like to talk about Malone or Hartnell. In both cases, you have to make room on the salary cap.

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Risk cripling our D for a guy who's had a steady production decline since he had his 35 goal season 5 years ago?

I know I wouldn't.

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Not a chance, Frolov's a West-Coast Kovalev.

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We just heard Gagne's agent saying Montreal said no to Gagne for cap reasons. Considering Gagne feetch pretty much nothing, You can forget about Frolov right about now.

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We just heard Gagne's agent saying Montreal said no to Gagne for cap reasons. Considering Gagne feetch pretty much nothing, You can forget about Frolov right about now.
That pretty much shut the door on Frolov.

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