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07-19-2010, 04:53 PM
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The Flyers got an overpaid d-man they have no use for, a mid to late 4th round pick, and traded Simon Gagne to a playoff contender in the East.

No, it isn't.
Agreed.

At least waiving him, they're not taking salary back for a useless piece of ****.

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07-19-2010, 04:55 PM
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pfssh i wish. mesz + zherd > gagne + krajicek
and you totally missed the point about the goalies. if having any of those goalies wins you a cup why didnt any of them go to the finals this year?
its ****ing simple,

THEY WERENT BEHIND OUR DEFENSE. IF THEY WERE BEHIND OUR DEFENSE, THEY WOULD HAVE DONE BETTER.


do you honestly believe leighton is better than brodeur?

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07-19-2010, 04:57 PM
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Agreed.

At least waiving him, they're not taking salary back for a useless piece of ****.
we arent gonna hit the cap this year, so does it matter?
this way when we have injured defensmen late in the playoffs (like parent was) we've got semi-decent backups.

(happened that year coburn took a puck in the face, and kimmo was out also...defensemen depth is worth TONS later in the playoffs)

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its ****ing simple,

THEY WERENT BEHIND OUR DEFENSE. IF THEY WERE BEHIND OUR DEFENSE, THEY WOULD HAVE DONE BETTER.


do you honestly believe leighton is better than brodeur?
of course not, but you dont get to have the #1 defense in the game and a top 5 goalie

if i had to pick, i'd pick our defense and leighton over any of those goalies and their respective defenses.

not to mention...with or defense as good as it is, the marginal increase from leighton to turco would be practically 0

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we arent gonna hit the cap this year, so does it matter?
this way when we have injured defensmen late in the playoffs (like parent was) we've got semi-decent backups.

(happened that year coburn took a puck in the face, and kimmo was out also...defensemen depth is worth TONS later in the playoffs)
If we get a real goalie (you know, pretty much the only thing Homer really had to do this offseason?), then the Flyers are right up to the cap once again, and are ****ed if anyone gets injured throughout the year.

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pfssh i wish. mesz + zherd > gagne + krajicek
and you totally missed the point about the goalies. if having any of those goalies wins you a cup why didnt any of them go to the finals this year?
i need to address this one more time.

lets use your logic for a second.

andreas nodl played for a team that made the stanley cup finals.

andreas nodl > alex ovechkin
andreas nodl > sidney crosby
andreas nodl > illya kovalchuk
andreas nodl > every player in the NHL not on the flyers or hawks

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07-19-2010, 05:09 PM
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If we get a real goalie (you know, pretty much the only thing Homer really had to do this offseason?), then the Flyers are right up to the cap once again, and are ****ed if anyone gets injured throughout the year.
we have no plans of getting a goalie, leighton is our man so this is a non-issue. and by having 8 dmen, we wont be ****ed if someone gets hurt.

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of course not, but you dont get to have the #1 defense in the game and a top 5 goalie

if i had to pick, i'd pick our defense and leighton over any of those goalies and their respective defenses.

not to mention...with or defense as good as it is, the marginal increase from leighton to turco would be practically 0
remember what happened when leighton faced a real offense?

our defense didnt really even matter that much. some of the goals he let in were beyond horrendous. the only way to win with leighton in net is to block every shot before it gets to the net. its the only way to be sure.

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we have no plans of getting a goalie, leighton is our man so this is a non-issue. and by having 8 dmen, we wont be ****ed if someone gets hurt.
having leighton as our starting goalie is a pretty glaring issue. how many seasons has he played a starting workload?

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07-19-2010, 05:18 PM
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remember what happened when leighton faced a real offense?

our defense didnt really even matter that much. some of the goals he let in were beyond horrendous. the only way to win with leighton in net is to block every shot before it gets to the net. its the only way to be sure.

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having leighton as our starting goalie is a pretty glaring issue. how many seasons has he played a starting workload?
our defense is much better this year ... and by REAL offense you mean the 3rd highest scoring offense (behind capitals who are in their own league, and SJS) and how'd luongo do against SJS? how'd nabokov do vs. chicago??

bottom line defense>goalie if you don't like that belief than this club probably isnt for you...

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our defense is much better this year ... and by REAL offense you mean the 3rd highest scoring offense (behind capitals who are in their own league, and SJS) and how'd luongo do against SJS? how'd nabokov do vs. chicago??

bottom line defense>goalie if you don't like that belief than this club probably isnt for you...
ive been a fan for 25 years. this club is for me, **** off.


and yeah, uh, im not sure how being the 3rd best scoring offense is BAD. im sorry we didnt face number 1. oh wait, no im not, leighton would have been slaughtered.

edit 2: id say there's a huge difference between playing the 30th, 26th, and 19th ranked offenses, and then playing the 3rd ranked. this difference was demonstrated when leighton got ruined.

edit: it doesnt matter if you have a defense led personally by jesus christ, and staffed by angels, if a goalie like leighton is too busy taking a heaping crap in his crease to play, you're going to lose.


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07-19-2010, 06:29 PM
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At some point you need a competent goaltender. . . you cannot just keep stacking your D with all stars because they cannot block or stop everything and sooner or later the goaltender will let it in because he sucks. You need a healthy medium. Sure we won't need a super goalie with our D, but we cannot just go with a block of swiss cheese.

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07-19-2010, 06:56 PM
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of course not, but you dont get to have the #1 defense in the game and a top 5 goalie

if i had to pick, i'd pick our defense and leighton over any of those goalies and their respective defenses.

not to mention...with or defense as good as it is, the marginal increase from leighton to turco would be practically 0

Maybe not a top 5 goalie, but it would be nice to have a top 30 goalie. And you don't take goalies and a defense corps as one entity. They're not tied together as free agent signings or trades, you can mix and match. The point is we have a big weakness and had the means to address it, but failed to do that.

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bottom line defense>goalie if you don't like that belief than this club probably isnt for you...
one more important point, when we won two stanley cups bernie parent was our goalie. not sure if you've heard of him, but he was pretty damned good. had the flyers relied solely on their defense, this team would be looking at a 43 year cup drought.

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07-19-2010, 08:43 PM
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one more important point, when we won two stanley cups bernie parent was our goalie. not sure if you've heard of him, but he was pretty damned good. had the flyers relied solely on their defense, this team would be looking at a 43 year cup drought.
also in the world of 35 years ago...

i think its FAIR to say the game has changed...or should we argue about that?

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Maybe not a top 5 goalie, but it would be nice to have a top 30 goalie. And you don't take goalies and a defense corps as one entity. They're not tied together as free agent signings or trades, you can mix and match. The point is we have a big weakness and had the means to address it, but failed to do that.
also i think you are underselling leighton...

remember how he was "hot" for like 28 games in the season?...maybe hes just better than people think.

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also i think you are underselling leighton...

remember how he was "hot" for like 28 games in the season?...maybe hes just better than people think.
Maybe. Maybe not. But it would be better to let Leighton battle it out with Turco for the starting job instead of Boucher. If Leighton isn't as good then we have Turco...if Leighton is better then Turco is a backup and that's a pretty damn good back up to have and would be miles better then Boucher.

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07-19-2010, 08:58 PM
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LOL. I hate this trade as much as the next person, but come on.

Some of you guys care more than Gagne does! Calm the F down. The trade was brutal. The off season was terrible. But our team goes on and the Flyers will always be here.

Also, teams dont usually make a repeat Cup performance after leaving their rosters almost 100% the same (Pittsburgh/Detroit was the first time in a long while we've seen teams repeat strong performances without shaking up the team).

So color me excited about next season. Even if we have Leighton in net. Holmgren's a complete moron, but.......what can you do?

Cheer for the team and move on. Gagne moved on faster than his own fans. It's a joke how personally some people take it.

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