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07-20-2010, 12:25 PM
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It's a favorite parlor game, moving Hamrlik, but the team has shown zero indication they intend to do it.

I'd accept defeat there and make peace with the fact that he's playing out that contract.
The point being that the organization is not as committed to winning as some others are... and will not go the extra mile to win. IMO

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According to everyone here, Hamrlik's an all star...
Far from being a star let alone all star,I think the reason people don't wanna let him go is because of Markov's injury.If we know that Markov is going to miss 2-3 weeks to start the year then for sure Gauthier should move him,if Markov is going to miss 2-3 months like they are speculating then it's a totally different story and I ain't no fan of Hammer.Bottom line without Markov for a couple of months we will need Hammer in our lineup

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I don't think Frolov will get more than what he made last yr or else he would have signed somewhere by now. For those saying he'll make as much as Gagne I beg to differ. No one wanted Gagne for his salary and the same is the case for Frolov. Either Frolov goes to the KHL or he stays in the NHL for $4M or less.

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The point being that the organization is not as committed to winning as some others are... and will not go the extra mile to win. IMO
No, it proves that Gauthier operates in the real world and the armchair GMs here only have NHL 10 to fall back on.

In NHL 10, you foist him off or put him in the minors. Then go get replacements.

In the real world, other players see you burying a guy not due to merit, but because you want some other player more and they don't sign deals with your team.

Seriously, if I had two long term deals and one was from a team (even Montreal) that had recently fired some other player to the minors who does not deserve it solely to go for a free agent... I wouldn't pick them.

I'd also get super nervous if I was Plekanec, Cammy, Gionta or Gomez.

Hamrlik may not be quite worth what he's making, but he's still a very good NHL player. He's done nothing to earn what people on this forum suggest save having a good agent.

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The point being that the organization is not as committed to winning as some others are... and will not go the extra mile to win. IMO
How does any of that measure the "commitment to winning"? The Habs spend to the cap every year.

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I don't think Frolov will get more than what he made last yr or else he would have signed somewhere by now. For those saying he'll make as much as Gagne I beg to differ. No one wanted Gagne for his salary and the same is the case for Frolov. Either Frolov goes to the KHL or he stays in the NHL for $4M or less.
TB gave up 2 assets to get Gagne and he makes 5.25 mil. I think Frolov will get about that, he is younger, less of an injury history, plus there are not a lot of good forwards on the market. I can't see him going for 4 mil or less...I see it in the 5-5.5 range.

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How does any of that measure the "commitment to winning"? The Habs spend to the cap every year.
I'm sure you can figure out what "going the extra mile" means...

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No. I'd like the Habs to stay in a holding pattern until some questions are better answered like........

1. What's Markov's status going to be (since trading Hamrlik is a popular idea).
2. How is Subban going to progress (since trading Hamrlik is a popular idea).
3. How will AK play without the brotherly distraction?
4. How will Pouliot play?
5. Any less expensive surprises from the farm?

I agree to keep the Hamrlik and AK contracts and see what happens. There will be more flexibility next year and the true wants and needs will be better known based on the above.
You sure as hell better not be counting on him to provide any kind of concrete improvement to this team going forward. I'm ready to bet a good amount of money that he's going to be much more similar to the Andrei Kostitsyn we all saw with his brother in the last two season than what people are willing to admit around here.

Either way, Andrei is playing his last season as a Montreal Canadiens. If he underperforms, we're not going to offer him any contract. And if he all of a sudden has a good contract year, I sure hope Gauthier isn't going to fall into this trap all over again and offer him a long-term contract.

Some players are gamers. Some other are not. And Andrei, like it or not, is a slacker.

By the way, those who compare Frolov with Kostitsyn or Kovalev are so horribly mistaken that it's not even funny.

As for the salary/cap space, well it shouldn't surprise anyone really. Gainey/Gauthier/Habs management is probably the least creative one in the whole league. It's as if those guys have no imagination at all. What you hear/read from time to time is just mind boggling.

- Several teams not being aware that Gauthier was shopping Halak,
- Gauthier taking offers ONLY for Halak/not even testing Price's value,
- Gainey not calling Burke back when Rivet was traded,
- Going after Ellis, but then signing Auld before even trying with Mason/Biron who both are better goalies and around the same pricetag
- Always giving contracts not being front-loaded, and thus having a higher cap hit
- Signing a left-handed d-man like Spacek to a three years deal when we already had tons of d-men at this position (don't get me wrong, I like Spacek, but all in all, it took him one year to adjust properly)

All this, and let's admit it, we're not exactly jumping on our opportunities when a team has to shed salary. Perfect example for this is Doug Wilson. This guy got Thornton, Boyle and Heatley fairly cheap because he just jumped on the opportunity when it came by. Burke has done the same thing with Phaneuf last season (even though his other moves are crappy enough). Tampa with Gagné this summer. Now I know not every team is actually jumping on these opportunities. But we should be trying, at the very least. Especially knowing we were 30th in the league for ES scoring last season. I know, I know. Markov, no Subban, injuries and all. I also expect us to improve this weakness this season, partly because Markov should play more, and because Subban might help. That being said, we've got HUGE steps to take if we want to actually compete without relying on the goaltender.


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The point being that the organization is not as committed to winning as some others are... and will not go the extra mile to win. IMO
You mean, extra mile, like atlanta that year were they went out mad crazy on Trade deadline boosted their team, but sucked hard and lost alot of valuable assets for the future? Or like Burke in TO, going the extra mile with Kessel? those kind of extra miles?

Next season is not the last season for the habs.

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The point being that the organization is not as committed to winning as some others are... and will not go the extra mile to win. IMO
Im sure that's exactly what it is. Our organiation wants to win less than others, how do you do it? I wish i had your insight.

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You mean, extra mile, like atlanta that year were they went out mad crazy on Trade deadline boosted their team, but sucked hard and lost alot of valuable assets for the future? Or like Burke in TO, going the extra mile with Kessel? those kind of extra miles?

Next season is not the last season for the habs.
Or like when Philly does a trade for Hartnell and Tomonen and everyone on here says "they are going to be in trouble with those moves". Really. Seemed like a shrewd move to me.

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Im sure that's exactly what it is. Our organiation wants to win less than others, how do you do it? I wish i had your insight.
I understand. Please stop responding to all of my posts. The stalking is kind of creepy...

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TB gave up 2 assets to get Gagne and he makes 5.25 mil. I think Frolov will get about that, he is younger, less of an injury history, plus there are not a lot of good forwards on the market. I can't see him going for 4 mil or less...I see it in the 5-5.5 range.
Don't you think that five million is a lot to pay for a third line checker ? The fact that he's still available on July 20th. should/could be an indicator of his value around the league ie: asking for too much/attitude problem's in the past have made him an undesirable commodity{large and skilled top six winger's who can score 30+ goal's are usually gobbled up in the first few hour's of free agency} . In my opinion the Hab's should give him a wide berth .

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I would definitely sign Frolov just for the simple fact that he is young and he had some success and comfort playing with Cammalleri. He should come cheap since his point totals have decreased the last 3 years. Dispite his point production, I think he is worth a chance.

The only problem is fitting him in under the cap after Price signs. Price should only get between 1.5 and 2.5 million.

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I'm sure you can figure out what "going the extra mile" means...
I know what that line means. How would you say they could do that? Put on your GM hat and explain it to me.

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I would definitely sign Frolov just for the simple fact that he is young and he had some success and comfort playing with Cammalleri. He should come cheap since his point totals have decreased the last 3 years. Dispite his point production, I think he is worth a chance.

The only problem is fitting him in under the cap after Price signs. Price should only get between 1.5 and 2.5 million.
frolov is younger then gagne

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Don't you think that five million is a lot to pay for a third line checker ? The fact that he's still available on July 20th. should/could be an indicator of his value around the league ie: asking for too much/attitude problem's in the past have made him an undesirable commodity{large and skilled top six winger's who can score 30+ goal's are usually gobbled up in the first few hour's of free agency} . In my opinion the Hab's should give him a wide berth .
Kovalchuk was still on the market on July 18th, does that make his value low?

At the end of the day Frolov barely outscored AK last year(PPGM) when both had down years. Until proven otherwise I still think he's looking for 20+ mil over 4 years(or in that neighborhood). We already have 4 forwards signed long term and those guys are all better than Frolov.

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Kovalchuk was still on the market on July 18th, does that make his value low?

At the end of the day Frolov barely outscored AK last year(PPGM) when both had down years. Until proven otherwise I still think he's looking for 20+ mil over 4 years(or in that neighborhood). We already have 4 forwards signed long term and those guys are all better than Frolov.
solid thoughts,

a power forward would be prefered, but those are rare, and cheap

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this guy has the tools, but does he have the heart?

played well with cammy.......

comments folks?
Sure... one year (if he accepts it at a reasonable salary)

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I understand. Please stop responding to all of my posts. The stalking is kind of creepy...
Repsonding to posts is creepy? Arent we on a message board here lol. But your allowed to rerspond to my posts though. I see what it is, when you don't have a valid comeback you use the personal cheap shot card. Lots of credibility you have there buddy. Anyways this is my last post to you, replying to your stupidities is a waste of my time. Go complain and cry until the season starts.

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You sure as hell better not be counting on him to provide any kind of concrete improvement to this team going forward. I'm ready to bet a good amount of money that he's going to be much more similar to the Andrei Kostitsyn we all saw with his brother in the last two season than what people are willing to admit around here.

Either way, Andrei is playing his last season as a Montreal Canadiens. If he underperforms, we're not going to offer him any contract. And if he all of a sudden has a good contract year, I sure hope Gauthier isn't going to fall into this trap all over again and offer him a long-term contract.

Some players are gamers. Some other are not. And Andrei, like it or not, is a slacker.

By the way, those who compare Frolov with Kostitsyn or Kovalev are so horribly mistaken that it's not even funny.

As for the salary/cap space, well it shouldn't surprise anyone really. Gainey/Gauthier/Habs management is probably the least creative one in the whole league. It's as if those guys have no imagination at all. What you hear/read from time to time is just mind boggling.

- Several teams not being aware that Gauthier was shopping Halak,
- Gauthier taking offers ONLY for Halak/not even testing Price's value,
- Gainey not calling Burke back when Rivet was traded,
- Going after Ellis, but then signing Auld before even trying with Mason/Biron who both are better goalies and around the same pricetag
- Always giving contracts not being front-loaded, and thus having a higher cap hit
- Signing a left-handed d-man like Spacek to a three years deal when we already had tons of d-men at this position (don't get me wrong, I like Spacek, but all in all, it took him one year to adjust properly)

All this, and let's admit it, we're not exactly jumping on our opportunities when a team has to shed salary. Perfect example for this is Doug Wilson. This guy got Thornton, Boyle and Heatley fairly cheap because he just jumped on the opportunity when it came by. Burke has done the same thing with Phaneuf last season (even though his other moves are crappy enough). Tampa with Gagné this summer. Now I know not every team is actually jumping on these opportunities. But we should be trying, at the very least. Especially knowing we were 30th in the league for ES scoring last season. I know, I know. Markov, no Subban, injuries and all. I also expect us to improve this weakness this season, partly because Markov should play more, and because Subban might help. That being said, we've got HUGE steps to take if we want to actually compete without relying on the goaltender.
The more and more I pay close attention to what you type, I think somehow our brains are connected or at the very least cut from the same cloth. Agree.

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Kovalchuk was still on the market on July 18th, does that make his value low?

At the end of the day Frolov barely outscored AK last year(PPGM) when both had down years. Until proven otherwise I still think he's looking for 20+ mil over 4 years(or in that neighborhood). We already have 4 forwards signed long term and those guys are all better than Frolov.
I think the Kovalchuk contract negotiation was a long , drawn out and complcated process and is in no way comparable to the Frolov situation . My guess is he sign's a one or two year deal with L.A. for cheap .

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I'm sure you can figure out what "going the extra mile" means...
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TB gave up 2 assets to get Gagne and he makes 5.25 mil. I think Frolov will get about that, he is younger, less of an injury history, plus there are not a lot of good forwards on the market. I can't see him going for 4 mil or less...I see it in the 5-5.5 range.
Matt Walker and a 4th round pick are assets? This is a once 40 goal scorer who can score 30-35 if he plays 70ish games next year. He got traded for scraps.

I think Frolov gets 4-4.5m but who knows... Malhotra signed for much more than I thought he'd get...

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