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07-20-2010, 01:37 PM
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I love how people have love for Harrold and Drewiske. Are these idiots paying attention to what is going on in the rest of the NHL. Teams are loading up on D with 7-8 NHL d-man and then signing cheap goalies.

The Kings barely have 4 NHL D man. Harrold and Drewiske are "tweeners." We need one more top 4 NHL PROVEN D man and one of Hickey, Voinov, Muzzin will prob step in on the bottom pairing with Greene.

Harrold and Drewiske are maybe #7 guys or AHL material.

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07-20-2010, 01:39 PM
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I love how people have love for Harrold and Drewiske. Are these idiots paying attention to what is going on in the rest of the NHL. Teams are loading up on D with 7-8 NHL d-man and then signing cheap goalies.

The Kings barely have 4 NHL D man. Harrold and Drewiske are "tweeners." We need one more top 4 NHL PROVEN D man and one of Hickey, Voinov, Muzzin will prob step in on the bottom pairing with Greene.

Harrold and Drewiske are maybe #7 guys or AHL material.
There are tons of teams with too many defensemen. A deal will happen to alleviate that. Give it time.

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07-20-2010, 01:42 PM
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UGH, this is going to be a long 2 months until preseason and frozen fury...DL made it sound like we won't be making any deals or signings anytime soon.

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I will admit not knowing a ton about the NJ pipeline and I don't think Brodeur is washed up by any means.
Then why in earlier posts were you saying how bad their defense was, how big an idiot Lou was for this contract and how Kovalchuk will never win a cup there?

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07-20-2010, 01:45 PM
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There are tons of teams with too many defensemen. A deal will happen to alleviate that. Give it time.
I would like to know how many convesations Dean has had with Homer and Burke.

Those two GMs are his likely targets.

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07-20-2010, 01:50 PM
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Hey guys, don't worry - someone will come up.

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07-20-2010, 02:04 PM
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The 50% Rule says a club can't reduce salary from year to year by more than 50% of the lower of the first two years' salary. In this case that's $3M as Kovalchuk gets $6M in each of his first two years. Had he been paid $11.5M in each of the first two years, the year to year salary reduction could have been as high as $5.75M.

The 50% Rule does not explain the peculiar structure.
OK, yeah, that sounds right then.

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07-20-2010, 02:05 PM
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I would like to know how many convesations Dean has had with Homer and Burke.

Those two GMs are his likely targets.
Philly has a plethora of defensemen. They have to move one.

Pronger
Timonen
Coburn
Carle
ODonnell
Bartulis
Meszaros
Walker

Toronto is ok.

Phaneuf
Beauchemin
Finger
Gunnarsson
Kaberle
Lebda
Komisarek
Schenn

And Van Ryn is out of the year and Finger is likely to be sent to the minors.

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07-20-2010, 02:07 PM
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Not sure what you are referring to

Parise - Zajac - Langenbrunner/Zubrus
Kovy - Arnott - Elias

Two first line centers right there. Elias can net 25-30 easy now 50+ from both wingers. Zajac will net 20-25 as will lang

The third line center will probably be a stud in the system who looks real good. So we are fine at center.

The blue line could use a few better skaters but Andy Green is pretty damn good at that and Tallinder isn't as bad as people think. They will make due.
I guess when I see the names Zajac and Arnott, I don't think "two first line centers". Nice players to be sure, but lets not get carried away.

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07-20-2010, 02:09 PM
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Philly has a plethora of defensemen. They have to move one.

Pronger
Timonen
Coburn
Carle
ODonnell
Bartulis
Meszaros
Walker

Toronto is ok.

Phaneuf
Beauchemin
Finger
Gunnarsson
Kaberle
Lebda
Komisarek
Schenn

And Van Ryn is out of the year and Finger is likely to be sent to the minors.
I am guessing Dean would prefer Coburn, but will probably be able to get Carle if he decides to deal with Philadelphia.

I still think Burke wants to move Kaberle, but I don't see Dean being that interested given the price tag.

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07-20-2010, 02:13 PM
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I am guessing Dean would prefer Coburn, but will probably be able to get Carle if he decides to deal with Philadelphia.

I still think Burke wants to move Kaberle, but I don't see Dean being that interested given the price tag.
I'd rather have Beauchemin or Komisarek.

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07-20-2010, 02:17 PM
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I'd rather have Beauchemin or Komisarek.
Think they are available?

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07-20-2010, 02:18 PM
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I'd rather have Beauchemin or Komisarek.
I agree. Both of these guys player a style of game that the Kings need right now.

I would prefer Komi.

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07-20-2010, 02:43 PM
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Think they are available?
Not sure. Looking at the list again I see it as this...
Phaneuf-Nope.
Beauchemin-Maybe.
Finger-Absolutely.
Gunnarsson-Nope.
Kaberle-Yes but at a high price.
Lebda-Nope.
Komisarek-Maybe.
Schenn-Nope.

Phaneuf is their #1, Beauchemin could bring in a solid return, Finger is garbage, Gunnarsson is a solid young d man, Kaberle is out there but the asking price is expensive, Lebda was just signed, Komisarek was supposed to be their #1 guy then they went out and got Phaneuf, Schenn is not available unless it's an overpayment.

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07-20-2010, 02:49 PM
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I'd take Beauch. We need another shot at the point, and he could be had for less than Kaberle.

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07-20-2010, 02:51 PM
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*Moller for Beauchemin (add Lewis if necessary)
*Teubert and a 2nd in 2011 for Penner
Both players only have 2 years left and a reasonable cap hit. Good fit.

2010-11 LOS ANGELES KINGS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
* Dustin Penner ($4.250m) / Anze Kopitar ($6.800m) / Justin Williams ($3.500m)
Ryan Smyth ($6.250m) / Jarret Stoll ($3.600m) / Wayne Simmonds ($0.822m)
Scott Parse ($0.900m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.140m) / Dustin Brown ($3.175m)
Brad Richardson ($0.900m) / Michal Handzus ($4.000m) / Kevin Westgarth ($0.525m)
Marc-Andre Cliche ($0.660m) / Richard Clune ($0.522m)
DEFENSEMEN
* Francois Beauchemin ($3.800m) / Drew Doughty ($3.475m)
Jack Johnson ($1.425m) / Rob Scuderi ($3.400m)
Jake Muzzin ($0.900m) / Matt Greene ($2.950m)
Davis Drewiske ($0.617m)
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Quick ($1.800m) / Jonathan Bernier ($0.843m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 23; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $58.921m; CAP ROOM: $4.934m; BONUSES: $5.240m

Richardson and Handzus both get PK time. Handzus might get some PP time so they still get decent ice time, even if they are on the 4th line.

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07-20-2010, 02:53 PM
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*Moller for Beauchemin (add Lewis if necessary)
*Teubert and a 2nd in 2011 for Penner
Both players only have 2 years left and a reasonable cap hit. Good fit.

2010-11 LOS ANGELES KINGS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
* Dustin Penner ($4.250m) / Anze Kopitar ($6.800m) / Justin Williams ($3.500m)
Ryan Smyth ($6.250m) / Jarret Stoll ($3.600m) / Wayne Simmonds ($0.822m)
Scott Parse ($0.900m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.140m) / Dustin Brown ($3.175m)
Brad Richardson ($0.900m) / Michal Handzus ($4.000m) / Kevin Westgarth ($0.525m)
Marc-Andre Cliche ($0.660m) / Richard Clune ($0.522m)
DEFENSEMEN
* Francois Beauchemin ($3.800m) / Drew Doughty ($3.475m)
Jack Johnson ($1.425m) / Rob Scuderi ($3.400m)
Jake Muzzin ($0.900m) / Matt Greene ($2.950m)
Davis Drewiske ($0.617m)
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Quick ($1.800m) / Jonathan Bernier ($0.843m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 23; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $58.921m; CAP ROOM: $4.934m; BONUSES: $5.240m

Richardson and Handzus both get PK time. Handzus might get some PP time so they still get decent ice time, even if they are on the 4th line.
Dustin Brown isn't going to be on the 3rd line.

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07-20-2010, 02:54 PM
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Not sure. Looking at the list again I see it as this...
Phaneuf-Nope.
Beauchemin-Maybe.
Finger-Absolutely.
Gunnarsson-Nope.
Kaberle-Yes but at a high price.
Lebda-Nope.
Komisarek-Maybe.
Schenn-Nope.

Phaneuf is their #1, Beauchemin could bring in a solid return, Finger is garbage, Gunnarsson is a solid young d man, Kaberle is out there but the asking price is expensive, Lebda was just signed, Komisarek was supposed to be their #1 guy then they went out and got Phaneuf, Schenn is not available unless it's an overpayment.
Either one of the "maybe's" would be big upgrades over O'Donnell, so I'm down. Moller and a 2nd sound about right?

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07-20-2010, 02:57 PM
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It's ironic how when we last had a player of Kovy's caliber (Gretzky) we lacked a solid enough supporting cast, and now we have the supporting cast but no real superstar. Goes to show you though that one player does not a Cup winner make.
Case in point, the Oilers won the cup w/out Gretzky after he was traded.

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07-20-2010, 03:05 PM
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Either one of the "maybe's" would be big upgrades over O'Donnell, so I'm down. Moller and a 2nd sound about right?
I'm a huge Leafs fan (I know, I know, we suck.) and also a huge LA fan (liked Doughty since he was playing for the Storm). If Moller is a chippy player, and if he has good potential and is chippy then you could probably get Beauchemin or Komisarek for Moller and a second. Just wondering, I know you guys aren't shopping him, but what would it take to get Simmonds from you guys?

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I'm a huge Leafs fan (I know, I know, we suck.) and also a huge LA fan (liked Doughty since he was playing for the Storm). If Moller is a chippy player, and if he has good potential and is chippy then you could probably get Beauchemin or Komisarek for Moller and a second. Just wondering, I know you guys aren't shopping him, but what would it take to get Simmonds from you guys?
Moller has some edge to his game, but he needs to work on his body to back it up.

Simmonds would cost you Schenn, and you guys don't want that deal.

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07-20-2010, 03:09 PM
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Either one of the "maybe's" would be big upgrades over O'Donnell, so I'm down. Moller and a 2nd sound about right?
I think that is incredibly low value but what do I know? I don't really know how either of those guys played last year but weren't they 2 of the top UFA dman from last summer? I can't imagine 2 2nd round picks is all it takes. You seem to think DL will pull of some magic. I hope he does but most of the players that got traded this summer got a good return except Simon Gagne for obvious reasons.


I also don't get the "if the Kings do better than the Devils next year" or "Kovalchuk won't win a Cup with the Devils" BS. Who gives a **** about the Devils? Kovalchuk isn't on the Kings so I really don't give a **** what he or the Devils do. I want the Kings to win the Cup and I don't really care about Kovalchuk or what becomes of his career at this point. Not any more than I care about Scott Gomez, Zdeno Chara, Chris Drury or any of the other players the Kings were after in the past or their respective teams.

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Moller has some edge to his game, but he needs to work on his body to back it up.

Simmonds would cost you Schenn, and you guys don't want that deal.
Well, if he's not afraid to dig and he works hard then I don't mind that deal (could be better, but could be a lot worse), and yes your right, if Simmonds is going to cost Schenn I'll pass. But I know where your coming from, Simmonds is a fan favourite with lots of upside.

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Well, if he's not afraid to dig and he works hard then I don't mind that deal (could be better, but could be a lot worse), and yes your right, if Simmonds is going to cost Schenn I'll pass. But I know where your coming from, Simmonds is a fan favourite with lots of upside.
Moller isn't afriad to dig and work hard, and it is no secret that Burke likes him. The fact that he digs too much makes him awfully prone to injury.

Try as he might....one of these days he is going to get obliterated way worse than what Bobby Ryan did. Kid does take a beating though...and always pops right back up. One of these days he isn't getting up.

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I'm going to take a few minutes to move the rant posts to the rant thread, and then we're going to get back on topic talking about Plan B. Please stay on topic.

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