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07-20-2010, 11:41 AM
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I wonder who would win....a team of 100% defenseman or a team of 100% forwards.
No, no!! That's not the real Homer way. We need to dress 10 centers and 8 defensemen, now THAT would be devastating!!

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07-20-2010, 11:44 AM
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hes going to resign Ray Emery and he will try and convince everyone hes a defenseman. He will like his toughness he will bring to the blueline

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07-20-2010, 12:04 PM
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Are we going to go after Turco? I really doubt it. If Homer was intent on going after Turco then he would have done so by now. Maybe if Turco lowers his demands drastically.

Are we going to re-sign Powe? Looking doubtful. There's a rumour that Asham might get re-signed.

Are we going to trade d-men? As of now we have 8. Hopefully. You never know with Homer. I'm guessing Bartulis gets put in the minors and he rolls out the other seven during the season.

Are we going to add another forward? Maybe? Doubtful. If you plan on getting Turco on the team then there's no way in hell we're getting a forward of any impact on the roster too unless it's a minor guy like Asham. So, maybe Asham, but it seems like our roster is set.

Are we going to waive some players like Cote? Bartulis or some other d-man will probably get put in the minors. Cote isn't getting waived unless a guy like Asham is signed to take his place.

What are we going to do with so many tough guys on our team? (Carcillo, Shelley, O'Donnell, Walker, Cote)

Beat the crap out of the other team I guess.


Is our team set? No more moves. Is this it? I think so. You might see Asham replace Cote (hopefully) and you'll probably see Bartulis or some other d-man put in the minors. I'm not expecting anything to change on the goalie front.

Note: O'Donnell Can play but he is still tough guy.
So, there you have it.

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07-20-2010, 12:06 PM
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He'll add Giroux and flip the TBay 4th to make it even out for such a great "warrior".

Honestly, I have no idea what the next move will be, and it scares me that more damage could be done. If Holmgren doesn't watch out, he might start challenging Mike Milbury's legacy.
I honestly think that, assuming he handles the next off-season like he handled this one, that he will live up to Mike Milbury's legacy.

I can't wait until he trades Carter or Giroux for a 1.7 mil 13th forward and a 4th rounder due to cap concerns that he put himself in.

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http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...trade/45/29412
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As far as Matt Walker goes, he earns a lot of money for a player who currently projects to be the club's seventh defenseman. There are too many seasons left on his contract to justify waiving him, so I once again suspect that the Flyers will try to move another defenseman -- with Matt Carle being the most obvious candidate by process of elimination -- move Andrej Meszaros up to play with Chris Pronger and have Walker and Sean O'Donnell provide an experienced, defensive minded third pairing with enough cap money left over to sign either Marty Turco or Jose Theodore. Note that this scenario is strictly my own speculation at this point. I fully understand the need for blueline depth, but you can't have seven D-men earning seven-figure contracts, can you?
Is Mezaros actually better than Carle? I grow kind of attached to players that are on our team, and I'd rather just keep Carle. Though I suppose capwise getting rid of Carle would be a good decision.

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07-20-2010, 12:19 PM
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I just posted this in another thread.

I'm pretty confident Powe will be back.

NHLnumbers has us about 1 mill under currently and we currently have 13 forwards signed (the 13th being Cote), 8 Defenseman, and 2 goalies.

There are also, I will call them, 2 "players of interest", those being Powe and Turco.

Cote and Powe are almost a wash salary wise. Cote makes 550k and Powe won't command much more. I will say 700k to be conservative. Cote is waived, Powe is signed, results in a net loss of 150kish.

We currently have 8 D-men. I think it's safe to say Bartulis is sent down. Net gain of 600k.

So far we've taken a hit of about 150k (in Powe) and gained 600k (in Bartulis), so we're looking at +450k of space. So we sit at about 1.45 mill in cap space. If we have genuine interest in Turco, or any other goalie, (which I believe we do), we clearly would have no need for Boucher any longer. Boucher could be waived/traded and that's another 900k gained. So we've got about 2.35 million we could allocate towards a goalie, which IMO is more than enough to sign Turco.

In summary....

~1 mill in ACTUAL space
~2.05 in easily lost/unnecessary cap space (Cote, Bartulis, Boucher)
~3.05 in feasible cap space

Powe and Turco could be easily signed, we could have a few hundred K in wiggle room, and we'd field an entire roster of 13 forwards, 7 D, and 2 goalies.

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07-20-2010, 12:22 PM
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I think Homer will stand pat for the rest of the summer. See who does what in camp and early in the season and go from there. I can see the goalies still being out there by the team the season starts. If someone does better than expected say Mezaros, then Carle could be trade bait. Get a pick back and sign a goalie or something.

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Is Mezaros actually better than Carle? I grow kind of attached to players that are on our team, and I'd rather just keep Carle. Though I suppose capwise getting rid of Carle would be a good decision.
Offensively I think hes better, defensively all he has to do with Pronger is not be Randy Jones and it's our best pairing.

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07-20-2010, 12:41 PM
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I think Carle has to be moved.

It just doesn't make sense for Mezsaros to be making 4 million as the #5 defenseman.

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I think Carle has to be moved.

It just doesn't make sense for Mezsaros to be making 4 million as the #5 defenseman.
So the question is... which lineup do you prefer

Pronger-Carle
Timonen-Coburn
Meszaros-Odonnell
Bart/Walker

Leighton
Boosh

OR

Pronger-Meszaros
Timonen-Coburn
Odonnell - Bartulis
Walker

Turco
Leighton


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07-20-2010, 12:52 PM
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So the question is... which lineup do you prefer

Pronger-Carle
Timmonen-Coburn
Meszaros-Odonnell
Bart/Walker

Leighton
Boosh

OR

Pronger-Meszaros
Timmonen-Coburn
Odonnell - Bartulis
Walker

Turco
Leighton
I'll take B) please.

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07-20-2010, 12:56 PM
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Is Mezaros actually better than Carle? I grow kind of attached to players that are on our team, and I'd rather just keep Carle. Though I suppose capwise getting rid of Carle would be a good decision.
I think he is better skating, better shot, better size can play on PK.

I doubt Holmgren can get Downie like prospect for Carle but who knows.

If Flyers are goalie away from winning SC (and we always are) maybe we'll make a trade with Florida and finally get #1 for our playoff run.

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If Bartulis and Boucher go down to the AHL that gives us roughly 2.5 in cap space, which should be more then enough to sign Turco.
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If Bartulis has to clear waivers, he'll almost certainly get picked up.

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If Bartulis has to clear waivers, he'll almost certainly get picked up.
Latvian Olympian? Agreed, someone will grab him.

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Latvian Olympian? Agreed, someone will grab him.
You can joke if you want, but a young d-man will get picked up. And, if not on the way down, certainly on the way up for half the price.

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Esche and Yashin are still out there. Maybe we could sign them to some overpriced long term deals.

On a more serious note, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Carter still be dealt for Ryan (hypothetically of course) in a deal that includes moving an extra D for some actual prospects back - along with waiving Boucher and/or Leighton - giving us enough space to fit all the D we have while still having that D depth as well as sign a goalie like Turco and using Backlund/Leighton/Boucher as a backup. Of course it's speculation since Turco has no contract and it would be unknown what Ryan would take to sign, but carrying a 1.7 mil extra D makes little sense when you could ship out someone making twice as much to free up some of that space you so dearly need.

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07-20-2010, 02:12 PM
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Waive Bartulis? Why?

Send Walker down maybe Klotz will learn something. If not, we do not have to waste our 3rd round picks for the next 3 years trying to draft a tough guy.

If Flyers sent Gauthier down they can send Walker down.

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Esche and Yashin are still out there. Maybe we could sign them to some overpriced long term deals.

On a more serious note, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Carter still be dealt for Ryan (hypothetically of course) in a deal that includes moving an extra D for some actual prospects back - along with waiving Boucher and/or Leighton - giving us enough space to fit all the D we have while still having that D depth as well as sign a goalie like Turco and using Backlund/Leighton/Boucher as a backup. Of course it's speculation since Turco has no contract and it would be unknown what Ryan would take to sign, but carrying a 1.7 mil extra D makes little sense when you could ship out someone making twice as much to free up some of that space you so dearly need.
Yashin just singed in KHL to 1 year extention....

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Waive Bartulis? Why?

Send Walker down maybe Klotz will learn something. If not, we do not have to waste our 3rd round picks for the next 3 years trying to draft a tough guy.

If Flyers sent Gauthier down they can send Walker down.
I agree, send down WALKER... not Barts - he is young and has shown improvement, which I hope translates into more of that.

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07-20-2010, 02:22 PM
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Send Shelley, Cote and maybe a D for Gagne....

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/lightn...ughness-enough

HAHAHA..... FACK.

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Waive Bartulis? Why?

Send Walker down maybe Klotz will learn something. If not, we do not have to waste our 3rd round picks for the next 3 years trying to draft a tough guy.

If Flyers sent Gauthier down they can send Walker down.
I can save you the suspense... he won't.

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I can save you the suspense... he won't.
I knew this when we drafted him

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Yashin just singed in KHL to 1 year extention....



I agree, send down WALKER... not Barts - he is young and has shown improvement, which I hope translates into more of that.
I don't think Bartulis beats out O'Donnell for the #6 spot. So barring a trade it makes more sense to put Bartulis in the AHL and let Walker sit in the press box.

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Relax people. Mezaros and Walker come highly recommended by Tocchet.

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I knew this when we drafted him
Hey, according to Homer, there were only 66 or so better players in the draft.

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