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07-20-2010, 08:39 PM
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How about something like this:

TO LA:
Gilbert
Penner

TO EDM:
Williams
Zatkoff
Moller/pick

Edmonton gets young talent - not sure that is what is needed, but it's what we have to give.

LA gets proven NHL players - not top tier, but it would help our current team immensely by improving scoring and defense.

I would be interested in what Edmonton fans would want brought back for this package, I am not familiar with thier team or needs so willing to adjust.
Dude!! Really?

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Teubert, Lewis, and a 2nd in 2011 for Penner instead.
Ughh, no.

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fail, kings want scoring, not trading away what little they have...and for a guy who was free 2 weeks ago and a player who is overrated and has not proven anything.

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I wouldn't mind either player but shedding salary isn't a pressing need considering Williams contract isn't lengthy and Stoll is easily movable for a nice piece. If not then Stoll doesn't have much longer on his contract either.

So I counter with Stoll and a 4th rounder. You shed a lot of salary and get a good player in the process.
That'd be more what I was looking for. I was taking Williams back only as a salary dump, the oilers really have no need for him. I don't know why, but for some reason I assumed LA was closer to the cap.

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Why are we all being so mean? Lay off guys.

However, there's no way Williams or Stoll are being dealt until we have prospects completely ready to fill in or there's equal or better scoring ability coming back. We have enough trouble scoring right now, losing Stoll and Williams production and only gaining Cogliano would hurt us even if Souray would give us the top 4 defenseman we need. (And Souray is obviously a gamble just as Williams is with their injury histories)

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07-21-2010, 02:39 AM
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Could Kings get Paajarvi? He is LW right? Is he first line winger potentially? I think the Kings should be now looking for top young players (wingers), who could develope into stars playing alongside Kopitar. Paajarvi, Filatov,... those kind of guys. Kings would probably have to overpay, but there are Hickey, Teubert, Loktionov, Moller, picks... Don't want 30+ old injury prones anymore.

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Could Kings get Paajarvi? He is LW right? Is he first line winger potentially? I think the Kings should be now looking for top young players (wingers), who could develope into stars playing alongside Kopitar. Paajarvi, Filatov,... those kind of guys. Kings would probably have to overpay, but there are Hickey, Teubert, Loktionov, Moller, picks... Don't want 30+ old injury prones anymore.
MSP is the kind of player that would be near untouchable for a team that is in full rebuild.

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07-21-2010, 10:35 AM
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For a person who considered Souray "free" 2 weeks ago, I don't think you really deserve an opinion.
He was waived meaning that if the Kings wanted him they could have claimed for without giving Edmonton any roster players.
How is that not correct?

I was nice as didn't slam you for your god awful proposal.

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If you added Souray's salary without dumping any, there would have been no way you could have even thought about entering talks with Kovy.

Adding Souray then, would have cost you Kovy.


Per cap geek , The Kings have 16,104,166 of cap space

Math might be a bit complicated for you but
16-5.4= 10.6
and
10.6-5.3= 5.3


Get your head out of your ass and stay on the Edmonton board. Leave your bad proposals, inability to perform simple math functions and general lack of what's going on in hockey there.

If I don't "deserve an opinion" , you don't deserve oxygen.


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07-21-2010, 11:55 AM
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How about something like this:

TO LA:
Gilbert
Penner

TO EDM:
Williams
Zatkoff
Moller/pick

Edmonton gets young talent - not sure that is what is needed, but it's what we have to give.

LA gets proven NHL players - not top tier, but it would help our current team immensely by improving scoring and defense.

I would be interested in what Edmonton fans would want brought back for this package, I am not familiar with thier team or needs so willing to adjust.
I'm a Kings fan, and even I have to say that is an absolutely ridiculous proposal. Edmonton's giving up two of their key pieces for an aging winger (Who has a history of injuries), Oscar Moller (who is not a projected top 6 anytime soon), and a goalie that hasn't had a chance to prove themselves.

Edmonton doesn't need to get rid of Gilbert/Penner, and unless they are receiving young assets/draft picks in return it's really pointless. Justin Williams will be a UFA long before they are a competitive team again.

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Per cap geek , The Kings have 16,104,166 of cap space

Math might be a bit complicated for you but
16-5.4= 10.6
and
10.6-5.3= 5.3


Get your head out of your ass and stay on the Edmonton board. Leave your bad proposals, inability to perform simple math functions and general lack of what's going on in hockey there.

If I don't "deserve an opinion" , you don't deserve oxygen.
How did you come to the conclusion that Kovi might have been a 5.3 cap hit?
According to DL it would have been 80 on 13 years making it 6.1.
So you would have had 4.5 in cap space.
With both players beeing locked up for more than one season, this would have endangered the re-signing of Doughty, Johnsen and Simmonds.
So actually claiming Souray off waivers would have cost you Kovi, as your team wouldn't want to lose one of these three.

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How did you come to the conclusion that Kovi might have been a 5.3 cap hit?
According to DL it would have been 80 on 13 years making it 6.1.
So you would have had 4.5 in cap space.
With both players beeing locked up for more than one season, this would have endangered the re-signing of Doughty, Johnsen and Simmonds.
So actually claiming Souray off waivers would have cost you Kovi, as your team wouldn't want to lose one of these three.
Handzus and Williams come off the books next season (although I'd love to re-sign Handzus).

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How did you come to the conclusion that Kovi might have been a 5.3 cap hit?
According to DL it would have been 80 on 13 years making it 6.1.
So you would have had 4.5 in cap space.
With both players beeing locked up for more than one season, this would have endangered the re-signing of Doughty, Johnsen and Simmonds.
So actually claiming Souray off waivers would have cost you Kovi, as your team wouldn't want to lose one of these three.
That was the reported offer.

Even if it were 6.1, there would have been 4.5 cap left hit left for this season and still enough room.

There are contracts expiring this year as well, Handzus +Williams = another 7.5 million

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That was the reported offer.

Even if it were 6.1, there would have been 4.5 cap left hit left for this season and still enough room.

There are contracts expiring this year as well, Handzus +Williams = another 7.5 million
The reported offer was a 6.15 cap hit. Just read the interview with DL.

7.5 + 4.5 makes 12.

Doughty might get around 6. Johnson might look for at least ~ 3.5 and if Simmonds goes on developing like this he might also look for Brown like money ~ 2.5 millions.

So you are on 0 and still have to fill up the holes left by Handzus and Williams.

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The reported offer was a 6.15 cap hit. Just read the interview with DL.

7.5 + 4.5 makes 12.

Doughty might get around 6. Johnson might look for at least ~ 3.5 and if Simmonds goes on developing like this he might also look for Brown like money ~ 2.5 millions.

So you are on 0 and still have to fill up the holes left by Handzus and Williams.
The cap could go up again(yes, it also could go down)

Cap space can be generated, teams do it every offseason, Philly comes to mind. Contracts can get bought out, buried in the minors and other players could be traded. It's not hard to generate cap space.

The point still stands that IK could have been added as well as Souray.

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The cap could go up again(yes, it also could go down)

Cap space can be generated, teams do it every offseason, Philly comes to mind. Contracts can get bought out, buried in the minors and other players could be traded. It's not hard to generate cap space.

The point still stands that IK could have been added as well as Souray.
Yes but just with the risk on not beeing able to resign EJ,DD,WS.

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Yes but just with the risk on not beeing able to resign EJ,DD,WS.
no, because salary could be moved as witnessed by teams like Philly and NY's moves these past off seasons.

For example: Smyth could be bought out, someone else could be traded. It happens every year.

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Yes but just with the risk on not beeing able to resign EJ,DD,WS.


Who the hell is EJ

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He means JJ

Honest enough mistake....

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So, when I said picking up Souray would cost you Kovy, because there's no way they sign Kovy if they lose JJ, DD and/or WS..I was right.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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So, when I said picking up Souray would cost you Kovy, because there's no way they sign Kovy if they lose JJ, DD and/or WS..I was right.

Thanks for clearing that up.
You weren't right and are still incorrect. Even as you now try to add variables to prove yourself.

And the other poster said "at the risk" He never agreed with you either.

But thanks for trying to save face.

Now take your bad proposals back to your board.


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The reported offer was a 6.15 cap hit. Just read the interview with DL.

7.5 + 4.5 makes 12.

Doughty might get around 6. Johnson might look for at least ~ 3.5 and if Simmonds goes on developing like this he might also look for Brown like money ~ 2.5 millions.

So you are on 0 and still have to fill up the holes left by Handzus and Williams.
You left something out, you forgot that JJ, DD, and Simmonds are all currently being paid and counting against the cap. Doughty's not going to get 6 million on top of what he's making right now.

We would have 4.5 million in cap space already, 7.5 when Zues and Williams come off the books [B]plus the 3.475 Doughty is currently making, the 1.425 Johnson is currently making, and the .821 Simmonds is making[B] meaning we'd have the 12 million you calculated to give them a raise on the 5.721 that is already on the books. So essentially, we'd have 5.721 to sign Handzus and Williams' replacements. Handzus could be re-signed for (probably less than) 3 mil, giving us 2.721 to go out and sign a winger.

Now-
Handzus = 4 mil
Williams = 3.5
Doughty = 3.475
JJ = 1.425
Simmonds = .821
Cap space (based on your number) = 4.5

Total = 17.721

Next year
Simmonds and Brown 1st/2nd line RWs, sign 3rd line RW to replace Williams

Handzus = 3
3rd Line RW = 1.5 mil
Doughty = 6
JJ =3.5
Simmonds = 2.5
Cap Space (or added to any of the above contracts if you feel they are underpaid) = 1.221

Total = 17.721

4.5 mil cap space is plenty. We could have afforded Souray and Kovy.

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Stoll for Souray straight up.

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...(although I'd love to re-sign Handzus).
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He means JJ

Honest enough mistake....
I think it's an affordable mistake, considering I made this post late night while beeing quite tired.


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You left something out, you forgot that JJ, DD, and Simmonds are all currently being paid and counting against the cap. Doughty's not going to get 6 million on top of what he's making right now.

We would have 4.5 million in cap space already, 7.5 when Zues and Williams come off the books [B]plus the 3.475 Doughty is currently making, the 1.425 Johnson is currently making, and the .821 Simmonds is making[B] meaning we'd have the 12 million you calculated to give them a raise on the 5.721 that is already on the books. So essentially, we'd have 5.721 to sign Handzus and Williams' replacements. Handzus could be re-signed for (probably less than) 3 mil, giving us 2.721 to go out and sign a winger.

Now-
Handzus = 4 mil
Williams = 3.5
Doughty = 3.475
JJ = 1.425
Simmonds = .821
Cap space (based on your number) = 4.5

Total = 17.721

Next year
Simmonds and Brown 1st/2nd line RWs, sign 3rd line RW to replace Williams

Handzus = 3
3rd Line RW = 1.5 mil
Doughty = 6
JJ =3.5
Simmonds = 2.5
Cap Space (or added to any of the above contracts if you feel they are underpaid) = 1.221

Total = 17.721

4.5 mil cap space is plenty. We could have afforded Souray and Kovy.

I agree that I forgot about this.
Nevertheless IMO 1.221 is actually not very comfortable to deal with. Especially if you maybe look towards bringing in Schenn with his 3.1 million contract as well.

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You weren't right and are still incorrect. Even as you now try to add variables to prove yourself.

And the other poster said "at the risk" He never agreed with you either.

But thanks for trying to save face.

Now take your bad proposals back to your board.
Ok, this proposal was not completely fair value, but honestly, calling it bad is quite to much. Go to the main board, there you will see bad proposals.

Yes Souray is injury prone, but Williams is even more.

And Stoll is a player that many LA fans (at least at the main board) seem to wish out quite quickly.

Again: I didn't say that it was a good proposal for you, but a "no, I don't think that this is fair value." would have been enough instead of saying "hey this is so dumb, **** off here" (which was basically the content of what you said).

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Stoll for Souray straight up.
No thanks. I like Souray but he's too injury prone, and Stoll is more important to this team then people realize.

I'd rather have Salvador. He could be had for less (assuming the Devils retain IK), and he has a better contract.

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