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07-22-2010, 12:12 PM
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It scares me how much of a ***** they have for Shelley.

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look at this. JUST LOOK AT THIS. i am overflowing with rage reading this. its impossible he believes this, right? these are the demented ravings of a lunatic. i hope a goat eats homer's sack, maybe that will give him perspective. nothing else will.

edit: SHELLEY IS ****ING 34. WHO BLOSSOMS AT 34?
Michael ****ing Leighton, that's who.

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07-22-2010, 12:20 PM
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given carter's recent injuries and length of remaining contract, he would basically be a salary dump. doubt we could get much more than a 4th for him. probably best to just waive his sorry ass.
It's not so much Carter's injuries in Holmgren's eyes, it's that he isn't a warrior. You cannot have enough guys on the roster willing to get their noses dirty and do what it takes to win, especially in the playoffs. Trade Carter for a 3rd rounder and sign Garnet Exelby. There's some sandpaper that this roster is sorely lacking!

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07-22-2010, 12:30 PM
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Thomas isn't worth it and Boston keeps denying they want to trade him anyway. He can sit on their bench and keep it warm.

The only way I would feel comfortable in trading Carter is if he is moved with a D for another forward and enough cap space to sign a goalie and we waive one of ours. Example: Carter + Walker/Carle/Coburn for Ryan, a mid-round, and a prospect - waive Boucher/Leighton - sign a goalie like Turco.

It's no longer useful to trade a high priced forward for a high priced goalie because we're taking players away from one area to cover another and at the same time we're losing too much in doing it. It's all about proper cap and asset management.

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07-22-2010, 12:31 PM
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It scares me how much of a ***** they have for Shelley.
I am absolutely positive that Homer thinks that the team would've won the Cup if Shelley was playing.

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07-22-2010, 12:35 PM
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Well all Gagne got us was Crap Walker and a 4th, anyone thinking we can get Tim Thomas for Carter is absolutely ****ing nuts, out of their mind.

The most Homer can get for Carter is Vandermeer and a 6th. I think he does it.


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Silly rabbits, Holmgren won't trade for Thomas because he doesn't put enough stock in actually spending on the G position. Wow, two wrongs do make a right!

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07-22-2010, 12:40 PM
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i didn't even bother to mention it. i hoped everyone could catch on.

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look at this. JUST LOOK AT THIS. i am overflowing with rage reading this. its impossible he believes this, right? these are the demented ravings of a lunatic. i hope a goat eats homer's sack, maybe that will give him perspective. nothing else will.

edit: SHELLEY IS ****ING 34. WHO BLOSSOMS AT 34?
Beef, no freaking way I believe that. It's just Homer's Q&A from Gagne, with how dismissive the almighty GM was about replacing Gagne (he only scored 17 goals). I just adjusted it to make Homer sound more sincere.
I think the idea of trading Carter for Thomas is deplorable. Bernier? What else comes to Philly? Carter should fetch a huge return. But then again, Gagne should have netted more than an 8th D and a 4th round pick. I understand not huge because of the cap overage, but more.

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07-22-2010, 12:43 PM
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We'll give you guys Leclaire and a 5th rounder.

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07-22-2010, 12:47 PM
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Beef, no freaking way I believe that. It's just Homer's Q&A from Gagne, with how dismissive the almighty GM was about replacing Gagne (he only scored 17 goals). I just adjusted it to make Homer sound more sincere.
I think the idea of trading Carter for Thomas is deplorable. Bernier? What else comes to Philly? Carter should fetch a huge return. But then again, Gagne should have netted more than an 8th D and a 4th round pick. I understand not huge because of the cap overage, but more.
hahaha, i think i actually completely misread the first post. i'm way off base, but for others' amusement at my own sake i left that post up.

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I was a proponent of trading Carter before Gagne this year, but at this point trading Carter is almost retarded enough to make it a possibility for Homer...

Things that make this a Homer-possible move:

1) With Gagne gone our low ES goal totals will be even lower, so Homer would want to trade our best ES goal scorer.
2) Carter is a RFA next year and therefore Holmgren has leverage in his contract negotiations... except if you look at how he overpaid Coburn and Jones.
3) If someone offer sheets Carter we are going to get AT LEAST 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd draft pick - Homer hates those nasty things.

The facts all add up! We better trade Carter before we lose him for nothing!

To compound it... let's trade him for an albatross goalie contract like Thomas so we STILL lose one of Leino/Giroux next year. Hurrah!

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We're not trading 80 possible goals in one offseason, right?

Right?!

But we have Jody mother****ing Shelley!!!!!!!!!!

how about Carter for Steve Begin!!!!!!!

Holmgren could see him as a Jody Shelley clone and we would be unstoppable!!!!!!

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We'll give you guys Leclaire and a 5th rounder.
No thanks. Swap Leclaire to a defenseman, we need more D... not goalies at all.

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look at this. JUST LOOK AT THIS. i am overflowing with rage reading this. its impossible he believes this, right? these are the demented ravings of a lunatic. i hope a goat eats homer's sack, maybe that will give him perspective. nothing else will.

edit: SHELLEY IS ****ING 34. WHO BLOSSOMS AT 34?
Your sarcasm monitor needs a check up bra...

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Your sarcasm monitor needs a check up bra...
youre way late.

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I am absolutely positive that Homer thinks that the team would've won the Cup if Shelley was playing.
I think we would have with a legit 5-6 d pairing. We came 1 overtime period and a game 7 away, it was ********* close.

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Seems unlikely but Briere for Thomas is a deal that almost makes sense. Both contracts are terrible, both players fill a need for their team. I think Boston would make out better in the deal immediately but the Flyers would save some money both in terms of immediate flexibility and over the long term since Thomas makes less and at least one less year remaining on his deal. It wouldn't thrill me but it would probably be the best move we've made this summer. Also, had we done it earlier, we could have kept Gagne most likely.

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No thanks. Swap Leclaire to a defenseman, we need more D... not goalies at all.
Kuba.

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I was a proponent of trading Carter before Gagne this year, but at this point trading Carter is almost retarded enough to make it a possibility for Homer...

Things that make this a Homer-possible move:

1) With Gagne gone our low ES goal totals will be even lower, so Homer would want to trade our best ES goal scorer.
2) Carter is a RFA next year and therefore Holmgren has leverage in his contract negotiations... except if you look at how he overpaid Coburn and Jones.
3) If someone offer sheets Carter we are going to get AT LEAST 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd draft pick - Homer hates those nasty things.

The facts all add up! We better trade Carter before we lose him for nothing!

To compound it... let's trade him for an albatross goalie contract like Thomas so we STILL lose one of Leino/Giroux next year. Hurrah!
Your right of course. The Gagne trade has made it that Carter is a requirement, more so now than ever. Zherdev will score 20-30 goals, so Gagne will be replaced there. But if you were to trade Carter, that is impossible to replace Gagne + Carter. You need Carter as your big center and a guy who wins faceoffs when the need arises. He is too valuable for us to trade. Not for Bobby Ryan. And sure as **** not for Tim Thomas.

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Kuba.
throw in a 4th rounder and its a deal. We would be closer to Holmgrens dream of dressing 18 defenseman along with Mike Richards and Jody "The franchise" Shelley.

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throw in a 4th rounder and its a deal. We would be closer to Holmgrens dream of dressing 18 defenseman along with Mike Richards and Jody "The franchise" Shelley.
Shelley is the Superstar.

Walker is the Franchise.

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Gagne was cut loose but Carter's a different story. Difference being that he is both younger and less injury prone.

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Your right of course. The Gagne trade has made it that Carter is a requirement, more so now than ever. Zherdev will score 20-30 goals, so Gagne will be replaced there. But if you were to trade Carter, that is impossible to replace Gagne + Carter. You need Carter as your big center and a guy who wins faceoffs when the need arises. He is too valuable for us to trade. Not for Bobby Ryan. And sure as **** not for Tim Thomas.
I never did understand this whole 'lose a player for nothing' BS. Carter makes, what? 5, 6 mil a year?

SO why does Philly have to trade him for 'something substantial'?

If he leaves next year, then guess what? Flyers have 5 or 6 million xtra dollars to go shopping with. Both in cash and available capspace.

There is no such thing as 'losing a player for nothing'. U 'lose' a player, u free up a bundle of cash. Head to Macy's and start splurging.

And forget about the notion of ' there'll be nothing to buy, available FA pool may be thin next year'. For that kind of cash, there'll ALWAYS be somethig available that can help ur team.

Cash and freed up capspace is king. Always.

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Shelley is the Superstar.

Walker is the Franchise.
my bad.
you would be correct.

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