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07-22-2010, 03:26 PM
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What kind of production do you expect from everyone next year?

There are a ton of question marks about how different players will perform next year. Will Richards and Carter be back to a ppg pace? Will the Hartnell-Briere-Leino line produce close to what they did in the playoffs for an entire season? Will Zherdev be able to replace Gagne's offensive share? Will Giroux finally truly break out (in a contract year no less)? And how will JVR progress in his sophomore year? What do you all think?

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There are a ton of question marks about how different players will perform next year. Will Richards and Carter be back to a ppg pace? Will the Hartnell-Briere-Leino line produce close to what they did in the playoffs for an entire season? Will Zherdev be able to replace Gagne's offensive share? Will Giroux finally truly break out (in a contract year no less)? And how will JVR progress in his sophomore year? What do you all think?
Shelley: 25-40-65

Walker: 10-50-60

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Way to be modest. The fan-favorite should get more then that easily.

We had a really massive down-year last year and considering our new coach it's going to be quite a feat to not improve over last year's production.

I expect Richards and Carter will put up their usual points. I'm expecting around 30 goals and 55 points from Hartnell. Briere isn't a very big regular season performer anymore so I'm not expecting anything impressive with him.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Carle and Meszaros get around 60 to 65 points combined, but that might be a bit optimistic.

Pronger should do about just as well as he did last year.

I'm expecting JVR to have a much better season points-wise now that Gagne is out. I don't think Giroux is ever going to put up big numbers until we stop bouncing him back-and-forth between center and wing.

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The big question mark will be the PP. I mean, do you put Shelley and Walker on the same unit or do you split them up so that one phenomenal player is on each unit?

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The big question mark will be the PP. I mean, do you put Shelley and Walker on the same unit or do you split them up so that one phenomenal player is on each unit?
Have them each play the full two minutes. If Kovalchuk can handle it then so can Shelley and Walker.

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I think if Carter stays healthy again he should get upwards of 40 goals.

The thing I will be most interested to see is the Leino - Briere - Hartnell combo. Hopefully that playoff momentum can carry over some, and Hartnell not suck awfully like he did last regular season.

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My predictions:

Richards - 32 goals, 69 assists, 101 points
Carter - 52 goals, 48 assists, 100 points
Briere - 37 goals, 55 assists, 92 points
Zherdev - 40 goals, 38 assists, 78 points
Giroux - 28 goals, 41 assists, 69 points
Hartnell - 34 goals, 29 assists, 63 points
JVR - 30 goals, 25 assists, 55 points
Leino - 22 goals, 28 assists, 50 points

275 goals from the above eight shouldn't be out of the norm. This is probably the deepest team that Laviolette has ever coached and I can see him really running everyone. Giroux is at the point in his game now where he's ready to take the next step and year three is usually when most players do it. I can see Giroux becoming the next 70 point forward on this team.

As for the defense:

Pronger - 10 goals, 45 assists, 55 points
Timonen - 7 goals, 40 assists, 47 points
Meszaros - 11 goals, 29 assists, 40 points
Carle - 8 goals, 27 assists, 35 points
Coburn - 4 goals, 15 assists, 19 points.

Once again, I know my totals are a little lofty. The 8 players and the 5 defensemen here would combine for a total of 315 goals (not that I think it isn't possible if they are all playing their best at all times). I've got to believe that the sting of losing in the finals is going to be something that's going to reverberate with everyone and I think everyone on this team is going to be driven to succeed and for that very reason, I see career numbers all across the board. I'm also sure that Laviolette is licking his chops just waiting for training camp to start so he can get a chance to really put his system into place. I'm expecting that this team finish at or very near the top of the conference and more important, I expect them to crush everyone in their division (or at the very least, go in with the mindset that they can be the dominant team in their division and conference). I don't want to hear this team think they can be good, they need to bring an attitude of "yes, we're not just good, we're very damned good."

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You think this team is going to score 2 more goals than Washington did last year?

I think 250 and that might even be a bit optimistic.

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ill only do the notable ones:

carter: 40 goals, 37 assists
richards: 34 goals, 40 assists
zherdev: 31 goals, 30 assists
hartnell: 30 goals, 3 woolly mammoths
JVR: 25 goals 25 assists (not sure if he's gonna blow up this year or not)
Giroux: 27 goals 39 assists
gagne: ****!!!
shelley: 315 goals, 2 assists, 17 KOs

i dont even know how to do the defense, so i wont bother

edit: forgot leino. eh..20 goals. 28 assists.

****, and briere: 33 39

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My predictions:

Richards - 32 goals, 69 assists, 101 points
Carter - 52 goals, 48 assists, 100 points
Your prediction got me thinking about the last Flyer to break 100 points in a season. It was Lindros in 96' http://www.flyershistory.com/cgi-bin/leader.cgi

I think we are do for a 100 point getter.

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I expect lots.

From all of them.

Or else.

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Richards-32G, 49A 81PTS
Carter-41G, 37A 78PTS
Zherdev-32G, 38A 70PTS
Briere-26G, 40A 66PTS
Giroux-18G, 39A 57PTS
Hartnell-23G, 32A 55PTS
Leino-21G, 30A 51PTS
JVR-20G, 29A 49PTS
Carcillo-12G, 15A 27PTS
Powe-8G, 10A 18PTS
Betts-6G, 9A 15PTS
Laperriere-5G, 8A 13PTS
Shelley-3G, 7A 10PTS

Pronger-12G, 47A 59PTS
Timonen-4G, 47A 41PTS
Carle-8G, 28A 36PTS
Coburn-7G, 25A 32PTS
Meszaros-3G, 18A 21PTS
O'Donnell-2G, 11A 13PTS
Walker-0G, 8A 8PTS

Total Goals: 283

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I think this is semi-realistic..

Blair Betts 5g 11a 16p
Danny Briere 23g 35a 58p
Dan Carcillo 14g 14a 28p
Jeff Carter 41g 38a 79p
Claude Giroux 19g 39a 58p
Scott Hartnell 28g 27a 55p
Ian Laperriere 4g 10a 14p
Ville Leino 12g 24a 36p
Darroll Powe 8g 8a 16p
Mike Richards 32g 45a 77p
Jody Shelley 53g 93a 1,000p
Nikolai Zherdev 22g 35a 57p
JVR 18g 23a 41p


Oskars Bartulis 1g 7a 8p
Matt Carle 5g 35a 40p
Braydon Coburn 7g 31a 38p
Andrej Meszaros 4g 19a 23p
Sean O'Donnell 0g 7a 7p
Chris Pronger 9g 45a 54p
Kimmo Timonen 3g 33a 36p
Matt Walker 0g 4a 4p

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Carter, 35/35, Richie, 30/50, Zherdev, 25/25, Giroux, 20/45, Briere, 25/40, Leino, 20/30, Hartnell, 20/25, JVR 22/25, Pronger, 15/40, Timonen, 8/35, Carle, 7/30, Coburn, 10/25, Meszaros, 5/25.

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You think this team is going to score 2 more goals than Washington did last year?

I think 250 and that might even be a bit optimistic.
I absolutely think this team can score more than Washington. Washington might have the more dynamic player in Ovechkin and probably the best center in the Eastern Conference in Backstrom. But I look at the rest of the lineup and you know what, it just doesn't impress me as much as the Flyers do. I look at the Flyers and I see balance throughout lines 1 to 3. I look at Washington and I see a top heavy line with no second line center and a third line that might be comparable to the Giroux/JVR line.

I also think our defense is going to make our forwards that much better, especially when it comes to the transition. I also think our defense is more prone to block shots and that's going to result in lots of chances.

I also think everyone last season had a down year because it's pretty clear that the Stevens system wore on everyone in that there wasn't a system in place. With Laviolette, we know that what we're going to see is a high pressure forecheck and that we're going to see more puck possession and not continually dump and chase. I'm expecting big numbers and career numbers from guys right across the board. We all saw how well the system works when guys buy into it (the playoffs were a good example of that). Imagine a full season in that system. It was that system that made Eric Staal a 100 point player. It also made Justin Williams a 70+ point scorer. I have no reason to believe that Carter and Richards can't hit 100 playing in that type of system.

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I think this is semi-realistic..

Blair Betts 5g 11a 16p
Danny Briere 23g 35a 58p
Dan Carcillo 14g 14a 28p
Jeff Carter 41g 38a 79p
Claude Giroux 19g 39a 58p
Scott Hartnell 28g 27a 55p
Ian Laperriere 4g 10a 14p
Ville Leino 12g 24a 36p
Darroll Powe 8g 8a 16p
Mike Richards 32g 45a 77p
Jody Shelley 53g 93a 1,000p
Nikolai Zherdev 22g 35a 57p
JVR 18g 23a 41p


Oskars Bartulis 1g 7a 8p
Matt Carle 5g 35a 40p
Braydon Coburn 7g 31a 38p
Andrej Meszaros 4g 19a 23p
Sean O'Donnell 0g 7a 7p
Chris Pronger 9g 45a 54p
Kimmo Timonen 3g 33a 36p
Matt Walker 0g 4a 4p
Interesting mathematics there good sir

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I absolutely think this team can score more than Washington. Washington might have the more dynamic player in Ovechkin and probably the best center in the Eastern Conference in Backstrom. But I look at the rest of the lineup and you know what, it just doesn't impress me as much as the Flyers do. I look at the Flyers and I see balance throughout lines 1 to 3. I look at Washington and I see a top heavy line with no second line center and a third line that might be comparable to the Giroux/JVR line.

I also think our defense is going to make our forwards that much better, especially when it comes to the transition. I also think our defense is more prone to block shots and that's going to result in lots of chances.

I also think everyone last season had a down year because it's pretty clear that the Stevens system wore on everyone in that there wasn't a system in place. With Laviolette, we know that what we're going to see is a high pressure forecheck and that we're going to see more puck possession and not continually dump and chase. I'm expecting big numbers and career numbers from guys right across the board. We all saw how well the system works when guys buy into it (the playoffs were a good example of that). Imagine a full season in that system. It was that system that made Eric Staal a 100 point player. It also made Justin Williams a 70+ point scorer. I have no reason to believe that Carter and Richards can't hit 100 playing in that type of system.
Once you factor in, say, a 20% decline in production due to missing games due to injuries or merely playing hurt your point totals approach what is probably a pretty realistic number.

It's extremely difficult for any team to hit the 300 goal mark.

It happened once last year. It didn't happen in 08-09, and the goals leader in 07-08 was Ottawa with 258.

A few teams also did it just after the lockout but that year is a fluke. Scoring has gone down since then. Even the following year from the lockout Buffalo, with a stacked offensive team, managed 298.

Washington plays an extremely offensive system with a few extraordinarily gifted players who have free reign to take chances. The Flyers are going to be in the 250ish range, top 8 or so in the league.

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I absolutely think this team can score more than Washington. Washington might have the more dynamic player in Ovechkin and probably the best center in the Eastern Conference in Backstrom. But I look at the rest of the lineup and you know what, it just doesn't impress me as much as the Flyers do. I look at the Flyers and I see balance throughout lines 1 to 3. I look at Washington and I see a top heavy line with no second line center and a third line that might be comparable to the Giroux/JVR line.

I also think our defense is going to make our forwards that much better, especially when it comes to the transition. I also think our defense is more prone to block shots and that's going to result in lots of chances.

I also think everyone last season had a down year because it's pretty clear that the Stevens system wore on everyone in that there wasn't a system in place. With Laviolette, we know that what we're going to see is a high pressure forecheck and that we're going to see more puck possession and not continually dump and chase. I'm expecting big numbers and career numbers from guys right across the board. We all saw how well the system works when guys buy into it (the playoffs were a good example of that). Imagine a full season in that system. It was that system that made Eric Staal a 100 point player. It also made Justin Williams a 70+ point scorer. I have no reason to believe that Carter and Richards can't hit 100 playing in that type of system.
I just don't see them both scoring 100 points considering they will probably play on separate lines, and the Flyers never seem to get as much PP times as some other teams in the league.

I like both Richards and Carter at around a ppg, but I think Richards will put up a few more points assuming he's no longer stuck with Carcillo.

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Carter - 43 goals, 40 assists, 83 points
Richards - 29 goals, 49 assists, 78 points
Briere - 29 goals, 36 assists, 65 points
Zherdev - 28 goals, 38 assists, 66 points
Hartnell - 25 goals, 25 assists, 50 points
Giroux - 20 goals, 35 assists, 55 points
Leino - 15 goals, 30 assists, 45 points
JVR - 17 goals, 28 assists, 45 points
Betts - 5 goals, 8 assists, 13 points
Carcillo - 10 goals, 12 assists, 22 points
Powe - 7 goals, 7 assists, 14 points
Laperriere - 5 goals, 12 assists, 17 points
Shelley - 1 goal, 5 assists, 6 points

Pronger - 11 goals, 38 assists, 49 points
Timonen - 5 goals, 35 assists, 40 points
Meszaros - 7 goals, 18 assists, 25 points
Carle - 5 goals, 27 assists, 32 points
Coburn - 6 goals, 19 assists, 25 points

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Shelley - 1 goal, 5 assists, 6 points
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Richards 32G 54A 86P +25
Carter 45G 40A 85P +20
Briere 34G 40A 74P +10
Hartnell 25G 35A 60P +15
Leino 20G 20A 40P +10
JVR 22G 22A 44P +5
Zherdev 30G 28A 58P +15
Giroux 28G 45A 73P +18
Carcillo 15G 18A 32P +6 (Assuming top 9 role)
Laperriere 4G 14A 18P +4
Betts 5G 7A 12P +5 (Injury Adjusted)
Shelley 2G 5A 7P +2 (Assuming <50 Games)

Powe 5G 10A 15P +5 Assuming <50 Games)

Pronger 8G 44A 52P +31
Timonen 5G 45A 50P +18
Carle 6G 36A 42P +22
Coburn 8G 30A 38P +34 (Really expecting a big year)
Meszaros 7G 21A 28P +8 (Third pairing, occasional PP minutes)
O'Donnell 2G 10A 12P +5

Walker 1G 5A 6P Even (Playing <40 Games)

Leighton .914 SP 2.62 GAA 4SO
Boucher .908 SP 2.71 GAA 1SO


Unless otherwise noted, I assumed 82 games played. Unfortunately there will be injuries, so I included the most likely to step in for an injured forward and defensemen. I think this will be a good year.

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Blair Betts 7g 10a 17p
Danny Briere 26g 35a 61p
Dan Carcillo 13g 16a 29p
Jeff Carter 38g 31a 69p
Claude Giroux 20g 38a 58p
Scott Hartnell 27g 29a 56p
Ian Laperriere 5g 13a 18p
Ville Leino 15g 26a 41p
Darroll Powe 8g 8a 16p
Mike Richards 33g 48a 81p
Jody Shelley 4g 8a 12p
Nikolai Zherdev 29g 32a 61p
JVR 17g 20a 37p
Simon Gagne

Oskars Bartulis 2g 5a 7p
Matt Carle 7g 31a 38p
Braydon Coburn 6g 30a 36p
Andrej Meszaros 8g 20a 28p
Sean O'Donnell 3g 15a 18p
Chris Pronger 11g 47a 58p
Kimmo Timonen 6g 34a 40p
Matt Walker 5g 9a 14p

Leighton W-31 L-16 OTL-5
Boucher W-6 L-10 OTL-4
Backlund W-5 L-4 OTL-1

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Blair Betts: 4 goals, 7 assists
Danny Briere: 22 goals, 36 assists
Dan Carcillo: 9 goals, 11 assists
Jeff Carter: 38 goals, 34 assists
Claude Giroux: 16 goals, 29 assists
Scott Hartnell: 24 goals, 24 assists
Ian Laperriere: 3 goals, 5 assists
Ville Leino: 14 goals, 21 assists
Darroll Powe: 8 goals, 4 assists
Mike Richards: 27 goals, 40 assists
Jody Shelley: 0 goals, 1 assist
Nikolai Zherdev: 29 goals, 21 assists
James van Riemsdyk: 18 goals, 24 assists

Forward goal total: 212

Oskars Bartulis: 0 goals, 5 assists
Matt Carle: 7 goals, 31 assists
Braydon Coburn: 5 goals, 25 assists
Andrej Meszaros: 6 goals, 28 assists
Sean O'Donnell: 1 goal, 13 assists
Chris Pronger: 11 goals, 35 assists
Kimmo Timonen: 6 goals, 30 assists
Matt Walker: 2 goals, 9 assists

Defense goal total: 38

Team total: 250

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