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Team 1040: Bieksa to ATL

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07-22-2010, 05:27 PM
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I love how there have been a few posts by people saying Canucks fans want this to happen, or made it up, or think that this benefits the Canucks in some way, immeadiately preceding someone saying "I hope not" or "what would we do with Ladd?". Valuewise, the Canucks would come out ahead, but we have our third line set, and are a Raymond arbitration ruling from having our second line set. Ladd as a 4th liner? Or even, moving Hansen down, Ladd as a third liner? We don't need him, hometown boy or not. On a personal level, I don't want him here, but he, assuming he is resigned, is more valuable then Bieksa IMHO.
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Didn't you know that armchair GM lineups posted in July are the ones that are set in stone? There is absolutely no movement, no players needing to win spots or competition. Lines are set.

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Well, Atlanta just walked away from MacArthur's ruling of $2.4m, so maybe they're preparing for Ladd getting $3.5 just like Bieksa is making.

Atlanta can't have 24 year olds on the third line making $3.5 and expect to keep salaries in line in the future. Bogosian and Kane (and hopefully Little) are needing big raises in the future.

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No way we would trade Ladd, we just got him.
Please see: Marty Reasoner.

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Actually, he's going to be dealt to Anaheim on Friday. For real.
Oh, on that Ladd and Little and a 2nd for Bobby Ryan trade? Sounds good to me.

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07-22-2010, 05:33 PM
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This isn't really a rumor; Dave Pratt was just speculating on the Canucks interest in Ladd...he's pretty much full of hot air and has zero sources.

I dunno how this would work for Vancouver anyways, they need to ditch a large portion of Bieksa's salary when they trade him and Ladd will probably make minimum $3 million so it won't fit unless we also move Raymond.

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Well, Atlanta just walked away from MacArthur's ruling of $2.4m, so maybe they're preparing for Ladd getting $3.5 just like Bieksa is making.

Atlanta can't have 24 year olds on the third line making $3.5 and expect to keep salaries in line in the future. Bogosian and Kane (and hopefully Little) are needing big raises in the future.
But if Ladd is awarded 3.5, isn't that just a one year deal? So it wouldn't affect us signing anybody then.

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07-22-2010, 05:37 PM
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Heard this rumor before, it makes no sense. The Thrashers wouldn't trade fo Ladd just to move him, and the Thrashers already have a log jam at D.
I defer to you on Atlanta's needs and I have no reason to believe this random rumor, but I don't understand the comment that they just traded for him. It wouldn't be the first time a player was traded twice in the off-season; no it doesn't happen often, but for the right deal for the right player, it can happen. Also, in a situation like this, again, not saying I believe this rumor, it could be a situation where Dudley thought he knew what he could sign Ladd for without going to arb., but perhaps that is not happening. I am not saying that is the case, this is simply speculation and discussing why a blanket statement about not moving a player doesn't make much sense to one poster (me).

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But if Ladd is awarded 3.5, isn't that just a one year deal? So it wouldn't affect us signing anybody then.
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This isn't really a rumor; Dave Pratt was just speculating on the Canucks interest in Ladd...he's pretty much full of hot air and has zero sources.

I dunno how this would work for Vancouver anyways, they need to ditch a large portion of Bieksa's salary when they trade him and Ladd will probably make minimum $3 million so it won't fit unless we also move Raymond.
Yeah, teams don't give up an amazing prospect for a guy just to trade him for a busted dman.

I *could* see a Ladd for Bieksa + Raymond happen, however.

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Is this David Pratt? It makes about that much sense.

Not that I wouldn't love to see it happen and then have Ladd resign for about $1.5m

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Raymond is pretty close to being a UFA if he wins arbitration, imo. $3.5 - $4mil

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Well this sounds interesting, a locker room with Kesler and Ladd

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This isn't really a rumor; Dave Pratt was just speculating on the Canucks interest in Ladd...he's pretty much full of hot air and has zero sources.

I dunno how this would work for Vancouver anyways, they need to ditch a large portion of Bieksa's salary when they trade him and Ladd will probably make minimum $3 million so it won't fit unless we also move Raymond.
Then we can throw out this rumor as pure speculation....specualtion from a media guy similiar to speculation from one of us....Pratt sometimes remembers how a certain person would look here or heard a rumour...time passes and circumstances..then he speculates...well if this happens then this we can end up with.....he is brutal for this.

Ladd makes sense in Atl as they need more grit and scoring...do they need some more defence (40 pt dman)yes...but not at the expense of ladd...

flip side he would add grit and scoring and his two cups exp here in Van...but as posted earlier we have to sign Raymond otherwise that is a huge hole in our top six.

offensivly more upside with raymond than Ladd.

Bogus pratt meanderings

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The Canucks do?
Yeah, I'm not sure what he's talking about. We have our 3rd line center, and after that we're basically hoping that Schroeder/Hansen/Hodgson/Shirokov/Oreskovich can step up.

If Gillis can get a legit 2nd/3rd line winger for Bieksa that would be great. Otherwise, I say we wait until the trade deadline to fit in the final piece.

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07-22-2010, 06:09 PM
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do they need some more defence (40 pt dman)
his name is tobias enstrom

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Valuewise, the Canucks would come out ahead, but we have our third line set, and are a Raymond arbitration ruling from having our second line set. Ladd as a 4th liner? Or even, moving Hansen down, Ladd as a third liner? We don't need him, hometown boy or not.
You would theoretically put Hansen (36 career points in 107 games) on the 3rd line and put Ladd (149 career points in 321 games) on the 4th?
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No way we would trade Ladd, we just got him.
The Hawks just got Reasoner too, and then flipped him to Florida. If there's a trade that makes your team better, you do it. I'm not saying this trade makes Atlanta better (there's not even a proposed trade, just the possibility of Bieksa-->ATL), but to state it won't happen because he was just acquired is kind of silly when JUST TODAY a similar situation occurred.

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07-22-2010, 06:12 PM
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Raymond is pretty close to being a UFA if he wins arbitration, imo. $3.5 - $4mil
Dont think he gets that but if he does get that range....do you think this coming year Raymond scoring 30 goals and 60 pts is worth 3.5-4 mil(young, speedy,chemistry)


for a 30 goal and 60 pts..that is still a decent wage..a little high but can also be seen as a cheaper wage than last years similiar point total guys.

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Radio personalities personally opining on potential trades does not constitute a rumour - it's just idle speculation.

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