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07-25-2010, 10:15 AM
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75% of this board does.

including me.

most overrated goalie in the history of the game.



On the flip side, Hasek is, in my opinion, the greatest goalie to ever lace em up.
Ok 75% of THIS BOARD calls Marty a system goalie. Thanks for making my point for me.

Sorry if I don't see a group of Rangers fans as the primary source to evaluate a Devils goaltender lol

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Just for the record, I'm embarassed for the sport of hockey that Versus is their main broadcasting network in the USA (NBC doesn't count because they do like 2 games a week).

I'm not surprised by the list though. I see these type of rankings in every sport, the NFL being one of the most prevalent, where a player has one great season and all of a sudden it's like "OMG OMG THEY'RE THE BEST PLAYER IN THE SPORT." I never take these rankings too seriously in any sport because they too often fail to rank players or teams based on consistency.

Versus needs to stick to broadcasting ****ing fishing or Indy car racing.

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Henrik should be in the top 3 and is a better goalie now than Brodeur. This really wasn't the case when Marty was in his prime, but now there isn't even an argument.

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Just for the record, I'm embarassed for the sport of hockey that Versus is their main broadcasting network in the USA (NBC doesn't count because they do like 2 games a week).

I'm not surprised by the list though. I see these type of rankings in every sport, the NFL being one of the most prevalent, where a player has one great season and all of a sudden it's like "OMG OMG THEY'RE THE BEST PLAYER IN THE SPORT." I never take these rankings too seriously in any sport because they too often fail to rank players or teams based on consistency.

Versus needs to stick to broadcasting ****ing fishing or Indy car racing.
I don't know why people hate on Versus so much. I think their television broadcasts are excellent. They do a solid job, and there is no doubt the NHL is their primary sport.

The problem is that the NHL screwed up. They need to go back to ESPN on their hands and knees.

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07-25-2010, 10:37 AM
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I don't know why people hate on Versus so much. I think their television broadcasts are excellent. They do a solid job, and there is no doubt the NHL is their primary sport.

The problem is that the NHL screwed up. They need to go back to ESPN on their hands and knees.
It's because no one knows wtf versus is. Everybody knows ESPN. The NHL is losing whatever popularity they have left by selling their TV rights to versus.

edit: also ESPN broadcasts Poker, Bowling, Softball and freakin' Billiards. You don't think that if the NHL proposed a competent plan to them they wouldn't take it? Hell even if they broadcast hockey on ESPN2 that would be fine. The NHL is settling for less with Versus.


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07-25-2010, 10:43 AM
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I don't know why people hate on Versus so much. I think their television broadcasts are excellent. They do a solid job, and there is no doubt the NHL is their primary sport.
So you like watching games with terrible announcers, no replays, and cutting away from live action to show someone on the bench?

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07-25-2010, 10:49 AM
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Meh, just an opinion I don't agree with. Personally, I don't find the list being credible with Henrik not being in the top-3 / top-5.

It's just one or two editors opinion's though. You can look at the general consensus via the best goaltender threads here on the HF Boards and see that Lundqvist is widely considered a top-3 goaltender by most hockey fans.

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It's because no one knows wtf versus is. Everybody knows ESPN. The NHL is losing whatever popularity they have left by selling their TV rights to versus.

edit: also ESPN broadcasts Poker, Bowling, Softball and freakin' Billiards. You don't think that if the NHL proposed a competent plan to them they wouldn't take it? Hell even if they broadcast hockey on ESPN2 that would be fine. The NHL is settling for less with Versus.
I think ESPN would love to get back into hockey now. But after the lockout, NO ONE knew what the heck was going to happen. However, I think the league thinks its partnership with Versus is a good one, as Versus seems willing to work with the league to help feature the games, as the NHL is its anchor.

Also, the conflicts of interest and nepotism involved (Comcast/Xfinity and the NBC merger, Xfinity owning Versus, Xfinity owning the Flyers, Snider's big hand in all things involving the BOG) must be considered.

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Haha. Not surprised this is a list put out by VS. I think Lundqvist is a top 3 goalie easy. No way Anderson is top 5. He shouldn't even be top 10. This is a terrible list.

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07-25-2010, 12:34 PM
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On the flip side, Hasek is, in my opinion, the greatest goalie to ever lace em up.
I basically agree. He never looked pretty doing it, but the guy could stop pucks like no other. The only guy I put on Hasek's level is Roy.

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If you watch versus and their horrific hockey coverage you can't take anything that they say seriously. I have a 50+ inch TV and they block out 35 inches of it with ads and useless graphics, not to mention the worthless sideline bimbos.

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If 30 gm's were to pick a goalie for one season, I don't think 3 would pick Backstrom over Hank.

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07-25-2010, 02:11 PM
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Dude...Ryan Miller has been arguably the best goalie in the NHL for about 3 years now...lol
Didn't see this gem last night...He's had 1 year...1 year with a GAA under 2.5, and a save percentage over .920.

In the past three years, he's played 76 games (awesome), 59 games (what?), and 69 games (nice). He's won 35+ twice, and only three times in his entire career.

How he's been the best goalie in the NHL for the past three seasons is beyond me when you root for a guy who in that same three year span....

Played over 70 games each season, always won 35 or more, and never had a save percentage under .910 or a GAA over 2.45.

The love for Miller after one elite year confuses me. That's all.

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So you like watching games with terrible announcers, no replays, and cutting away from live action to show someone on the bench?
If you look close enough that stuff happens during every broadcasts sporting event.

I have a serious question? Do you understand how a TV crew and broadcast is put together? When there isn't a replay it means one of two things. A) The play wasn't caught on any of the cameras. B) The director made a decision not to show it.

In fact when it comes to hockey, a lot of times the home team and road team broadcasts combine cameras. Say if the Rangers are in Carolina, MSG will own 6 of the cams and Fox Sports Carolina will own 6 of the cames. The trucks park right next to each other and both crews use all 12 cameras and can pick and chose which one they want to use at any given time. Then they just lay the network specific graphics over them.

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07-25-2010, 02:32 PM
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My problem with that list is that there are too many goal tenders before Hank. Bryz had a good season but he hasn't proved that hes not a fluke. Hank is consistently good. he should be 2nd or 3rd on that list honestly. and Brodeur is...good. (shivers just saying that) but he's been on a good team. eh i dunno.

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If you look close enough that stuff happens during every broadcasts sporting event.

I have a serious question? Do you understand how a TV crew and broadcast is put together? When there isn't a replay it means one of two things. A) The play wasn't caught on any of the cameras. B) The director made a decision not to show it.
It happens way more often on VS than other networks.

So either -
A) they have crappy cameramen who can't follow they action

or

B) they have an idiot director who doesn't show replays so we can watch someone on the bench, or he's forced to show a promo about Bull Riding coming on after the game while we sit and wonder why the hell someone is getting a penalty.

Either way it's bad coverage by the Network.

Almost no one I've ever talked to or reading people's opinions on the internet thinks VS does a good job. You are in the very small minority.

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07-25-2010, 03:22 PM
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I don't know why people hate on Versus so much. I think their television broadcasts are excellent.
I've been in marketing and braodcasting for 30 years and their broadcasts suck. Robotic, scripted and completely unable to capture the flow of the game. Their second tier announcers are awful too.

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The problem is that the NHL screwed up. They need to go back to ESPN on their hands and knees.
You nailed this one. The promotional value that ESPN brought to hockey was worth far more than the rights fee. A classic case of stepping on dollars to pick up dimes.

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I've been in marketing and braodcasting for 30 years and their broadcasts suck. Robotic, scripted and completely unable to capture the flow of the game. Their second tier announcers are awful too.
Seconded. Versus' production quality is second-rate at best.

My favorite bits are when they try and queue up a prerecorded phone interview as a "live chat" with someone. It's not even passable, but they keep trying it.

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I've been in marketing and braodcasting for 30 years and their broadcasts suck. Robotic, scripted and completely unable to capture the flow of the game. Their second tier announcers are awful too.
Well with some of the local/regional tv stuff I deal with for work anything looks good haha.



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You nailed this one. The promotional value that ESPN brought to hockey was worth far more than the rights fee. A classic case of stepping on dollars to pick up dimes.
I think eventually the NHL will end up back on ESPN. The problem is that the NHL needs ESPN far more than ESPN needs the NHL.

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Some of those goalies have never even won a playoff round.

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Backstrom, Anderson and Bryzgalov ahead of Hank is a joke.
Precisely. But I'd add Miller as well.

Although I do believe Miller and Backstrom deserve to be on that list.

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07-25-2010, 06:06 PM
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In terms of ability, no, but in terms of the last 4 years, his stats and play justify him at that spot for me.
He is a product of the Wild's system. Roloson and Backstrom both had their best years, statistically, on the Wild. That is more than coincidental. It did not surprise me at all with the numbers that Backstrom put up w/ the Wild. I will give him his props getting his Vezina nomination / putting up the numbers he had but I don't think he is a great goaltender.

This past year, when he didn't have shut down defense in front of him, when he didn't have a decent team, he put up mediocre numbers and the Wild miss the playoffs. I think that speaks volume. Lundqvist also played on a poor team, played on a team that lacked fundamental defense, etc, and he had an excellent season. Great goaltenders will do well no matter what system or team is in front of them. Granted, they will do better with a better team in front of them but they can still hold their own when they have a so-so team in front of them. Henrik is in another hemisphere than Backstrom.

I think he is a solid goaltender, top-15, but has no business being mentioned in the top-10 / top-5. Just my opinion.

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Seconded. Versus' production quality is second-rate at best.

My favorite bits are when they try and queue up a prerecorded phone interview as a "live chat" with someone. It's not even passable, but they keep trying it.
Do not really understand all the negativity about Versus in this thread, minus the goalie list. Does anyone in the U.S. think NBC, CSN or anyone else puts on a better telecast? I can really only compare Versus to NBC here because the homer CSN telecast does not stand up. Even down to the broadcast quality. Why is the picture so much better on Versus than CSN?

Versus at least stepped up to the plate for Hockey. It's the only network in the U.S. playing games on a national level for the entire season.

I'd like to see the NHL back on ESPN, one game a week or something. Completely agree with the previous posters comments regarding the NHL needing ESPN more than the other way around. It will also give the NHL more coverage on the station.

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Precisely. But I'd add Miller as well.

Although I do believe Miller and Backstrom deserve to be on that list.
i can see both sides of the Miller-Lundqvist debate. IMHO they are both elite, worth class, brick walls back there. id take either of them in a heartbeat.

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Didn't see this gem last night...He's had 1 year...1 year with a GAA under 2.5, and a save percentage over .920.

In the past three years, he's played 76 games (awesome), 59 games (what?), and 69 games (nice). He's won 35+ twice, and only three times in his entire career.

How he's been the best goalie in the NHL for the past three seasons is beyond me when you root for a guy who in that same three year span....

Played over 70 games each season, always won 35 or more, and never had a save percentage under .910 or a GAA over 2.45.

The love for Miller after one elite year confuses me. That's all.
I think it's justified. That shock at 59 games is kind of weird... considering he sprained his ankle that year... when our Gomez fell on him. It wasn't benchings or bad play. It was an injury. There is alot wrong with that list, but Ryan Miller probably isn't one of them.

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