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07-27-2010, 03:02 PM
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Kyle Chipchura WAS a good draft pick

I know that this is a dead issue but when I read the chart at the beginning of the thread below, it saddened me.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=802837

When Kyle Chipchura was drafted by the Canadiens, he wasn't the bad prospect that he's been made out to be by a number of us and other Canadiens critics.

After all, he was ninth in that list of 18 sample players. A good number of the other players listed are certainly not to be sniffed at. And also, keep in mind that at least one of the players on that list who, according to the list itself & the scouting reports on him at the time, had better potential than Chipchura didn't even do as well as Chipchura did in the NHL.

Chipchura had really good strengths (leadership, hard worker, some offensive output, etc.) which made him well worth the pick. Those were made very evident when he was captain the Canadian Junior gold medal winning team at the World Junior Hockey Championship (I forget the year).

I know that things fell apart for him after his draft year but, still, he was a good pick.

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At the time kyle was a good pick but **** happens and players don't always reach their projections.

I think kyle will be a very solid 3rd liner with leadership.

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Who are you, his mother?

As much as I think he got a raw deal, such is life. All this hero/player worship is a mystery to me. These guys are pro athletes, entertainers.

While I think he is as good or better than guys the Habs or other teams invested in, and that the cards just did not fall in the right order for him here, he still is earning more than you or me as a pro athlete.

As for the evaluations of players from guys on a web forum... well... you have to take everyone's opinion with a grain of salt.

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07-27-2010, 03:12 PM
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Chipchura was at best going to be a fourth line player. It is a dumb pick like Trevor Timmins is famous for. Sometimes he get lucky, but the rest of the time his picks have been abismal.

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I liked Chipchura and I still like Chipchura. Ducks fans seem to like him to. Good role player.

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Chipchura was at best going to be a fourth line player. It is a dumb pick like Trevor Timmins is famous for. Sometimes he get lucky, but the rest of the time his picks have been abismal.
Well considering that Timmins had no way of knowing that Chipchura was going to a significant development hampering injury I don't think it's fair to call him out on such a pick.

But I'm pretty sure you had no idea and are just spewing what you hear on CKAC.

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Dustin Boyd is also a young 3rd liner with I think the same potential as Chipchura. I'm happy with either.

The thing about Chipchura is that he has a lot more intangibles, he even fights and is amazing with the puck down low to protect/cycle/run the clock down at the end of games.... probably should have kept him.

The Ducks stole him for a 4th rounder

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I liked Chipchura and I still like Chipchura. Ducks fans seem to like him to. Good role player.
...if picked as a 3rd or 4th rounder, yep, good pick. As a first rounder, absolutly crazy.

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...if picked as a 3rd or 4th rounder, yep, good pick. As a first rounder, absolutly crazy.
And you're absolutely stupid if you think teams draft 3rd or 4th line players only in 3rd or 4th round.

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Chipchura was at best going to be a fourth line player. It is a dumb pick like Trevor Timmins is famous for. Sometimes he get lucky, but the rest of the time his picks have been abismal.
Lolwut? if you get an NHL stud its luck but if he ****s up its his fault?
Timmins as made many mistakes but he has also made many good picks in Subban, Kristo, Maxwell, white, and weber that make up are top 10 that were from later rounds. Even getting simple role players from late rounds is great. Our inability to draft elite talent hopefully will improve with PG and our new scouts. Part of drafting is luck.

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Chipchura was said to be the next Bob Gainey. Look how that turned out, massive shoes to fill, and the likely hood of him panning out the way we hoped was slim, very slim.

At the time he was a good pick, but as said previously, **** happens, and its time to move on.

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Lolwut? if you get an NHL stud its luck but if he ****s up its his fault?
Timmins as made many mistakes but he has also made many good picks in Subban, Kristo, Maxwell, white, and weber that make up are top 10 that were from later rounds. Even getting simple role players from late rounds is great. Our inability to draft elite talent hopefully will improve with PG and our new scouts. Part of drafting is luck.
Look at his post history, don't waste your time responding to him.

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He looks to be a good bottom 6 player, which is better than Hugh Jessiman.

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Yes he was a bad pick............1st rounder projected to be a 3rd liner.....wtf?

Timmins is solid tho.

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Dustin Boyd is also a young 3rd liner with I think the same potential as Chipchura. I'm happy with either.

The thing about Chipchura is that he has a lot more intangibles, he even fights and is amazing with the puck down low to protect/cycle/run the clock down at the end of games.... probably should have kept him.

The Ducks stole him for a 4th rounder
He's also 10 times slower than Boyd

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He never really got a chance, but if he didn't tear his achilles tendon then I'm sure he be centering our third line right now, and we would all love him for it. Sucks, really.

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Chipchura was at best going to be a fourth line player. It is a dumb pick like Trevor Timmins is famous for. Sometimes he get lucky, but the rest of the time his picks have been abismal.
How many scouting departments have had as many picks turn out to be NHL players?

Please, go right ahead. I'll check back later. Take your time.

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He's also 10 times slower than Boyd
Right you are, Jim! Forgot about that, Boyd is still relatevely unknown, but the loss of Chips isn't bad at all considering we got him.
He wasn't a random throw-in to the Sergei deal.

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He was a pretty good draft pick with a ceiling of a pretty good 2nd C (think Rod the Bed) --- however, Achilles made sure it wouldn't happen.

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Good pick, some bad luck, but he still seems likely to pan out about where he was projected to. I'd take him over any player in our current long-range bottom-6.

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I remember back in that draft I absolutely wanted us to pick Meszaros. He's regressed over the last few years but he would've been a much better pick than Chipchura.

Me: 1, Trevor Timmins: 0

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I wasn't happy when they drafted him. Why draft a 3rd liner in the 1st round ? I also remember that on HF, at the time, that's what most people though, that it was a bad pick. Like EVEYBODY else, I wanted Meszaros.

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Good pick, some bad luck, but he still seems likely to pan out about where he was projected to. I'd take him over any player in our current long-range bottom-6.
Ok. You'd rather have Chipchura in your organization than Eller? Good for you...

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Ok. You'd rather have Chipchura in your organization than Eller? Good for you...
I don't consider Eller a long-range bottom-6 player. I thought that would be obvious to anybody. But it should be controversial enough around here that I'd take Chipchura over any of Pyatt, White, Lapierre, Boyd.

I'd take him over Pouliot too.

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Good pick, some bad luck, but he still seems likely to pan out about where he was projected to. I'd take him over any player in our current long-range bottom-6.
I prefer Pyatt due to his speed which in turn will help him contribute more points offensively without sacrificing his defence.

Lapierre has more speed but less hockey sense than Chipchura.

Boyd I will have to see play more to give you a read.

Moen I am not that impressed with, not for $1.5M.

However, I definitely DISAGREE if you are ready to rank Chipchura as more promising than Lars Eller, unless I misunderstood and you think Eller is long-range top-6.

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