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07-30-2010, 01:42 AM
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Niemi, a possible choice for the Flyers?

Since Niemi is almost out of Chicago http://www.rds.ca/hockey/chroniques/303440.html could the Flyers go after Niemi? The major issue would be his salary and the cap space needed, but should Homer makes some trade or "salary dumb" to afford Niemi? What's your thought?

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07-30-2010, 01:47 AM
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Why would we go after Niemi who is going to fetch way more than Turco? If he wasnt looking for $3+ Million he would be signed already.

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Can you translate the article? He is not OUT of Chicago yet. That being said, why would the Flyers go after him?

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Most of the article talk about the fact that Chicago can't afford him above $ 2.000 0000 and that tue rumor is that Niemi will ask for $ 3.000 000 in arbitration. Well for me Niemi is better than Leighton-Emery-Boucher-Backlund, it's as simple as that, but the major issue is his salary. Excepted this issue, why wouldn't you consider go after him?

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Most of the article talk about the fact that Chicago can afford him above $ 2.000 0000 and that tue rumor is that Niemi will ask for $ 3.000 000 in arbitration. Well for me Niemi is better than Leighton-Emery-Boucher-Backlund, it's as simple as that, but the major issue is his salary. Excepted this issue, why wouldn't you consider go after him?
Marty Turco is better and cheaper. That simple. We don't need a long term goalie with guys like Bobo and Eriksson waiting. We need something like a 2 year deal which is perfect to Turco.

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Marty Turco is better and cheaper. That simple. We don't need a long term goalie with guys like Bobo and Eriksson waiting. We need something like a 2 year deal which is perfect to Turco.
Not sure about that, first of all Niemi is 26, Turco 34, and even if Turco is more experimented, the fact is that Niemi's stats are better last season that Turco. But i agree with you that Turco is a more possible solution. I just wanted to know if Flyers fans wanted Homer to clear some space for Niemi.

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Most of the article talk about the fact that Chicago can't afford him above $ 2.000 0000 and that tue rumor is that Niemi will ask for $ 3.000 000 in arbitration. Well for me Niemi is better than Leighton-Emery-Boucher-Backlund, it's as simple as that, but the major issue is his salary. Excepted this issue, why wouldn't you consider go after him?
I think 2.5 is around the cutoff, I'm not sure what team is going to pay him 3 million at this point.

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I really don't think Homer is going to sign another goalie, but I'd be okay with signing Niemi for a couple years. Depends on the price of course, 2 years for 5 million total would be fine with me. He'll probably end up getting more than that though and he's not worth making room for when Turco is still out there for a cheaper price.

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It's kind of interesting, because when Niemi makes mistakes, they're of the same variety as the ones that Leighton used to make, only he is actually able to bail himself out pretty often. Wouldn't mind seeing is Jeff Reese's formula/approach could work with him, there's certainly parallels there...

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I really don't think Homer is going to sign another goalie, but I'd be okay with signing Niemi for a couple years. Depends on the price of course, 2 years for 5 million total would be fine with me. He'll probably end up getting more than that though and he's not worth making room for when Turco is still out there for a cheaper price.
I totally agree. How much left on the Flyers cap space?

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I totally agree. How much left on the Flyers cap space?
Hard to say exactly.

Right now we have 877,737 in space with 8 defenseman and 13 forwards (I removed Cote). If we bury Walker in the minors, we'd have 2,577,737 in space which would include Boucher. Get rid of Boucher and that's another million which puts us right around 3.5 in space.

If we keep Walker on the roster and instead send Bartulis back down, we'd have 1,477,737 including Boucher and a little under 2.5 million without him.

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Hard to say exactly.

Right now we have 877,737 in space with 8 defenseman and 13 forwards (I removed Cote). If we bury Walker in the minors, we'd have 2,577,737 in space which would include Boucher. Get rid of Boucher and that's another million which puts us right around 3.5 in space.

If we keep Walker on the roster and instead send Bartulis back down, we'd have 1,477,737 including Boucher and a little under 2.5 million without him.
Yep it's pretty tie... i wonder how much Turco could ask..

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So why exactly does anyone think Niemi is better than Leighton?

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Leighton 27 Gp - 2.49 Gaa - .918
Niemi 39 Gp - 2.25 Gaa - .912
Turco 53gp - 2.72 - .913

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Leighton 27 Gp - 2.49 Gaa - .918
Niemi 39 Gp - 2.25 Gaa - .912
Turco 53gp - 2.72 - .913
And this proves exactly what?

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And this proves exactly what?
Nothing, just numbers.

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So why exactly does anyone think Niemi is better than Leighton?
A: Because he is.

B: Because when I watch them I see a massive difference in terms of potential for improvement.

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http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...iemi#storyjump

Here's in interesting article on Broad Street Hockey, some may have already read it.

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A: Because he is.
Now THAT is an educated statement.


Statistically Leighton was better in the regular season and in the playoffs than Niemi. And while Niemi was better in the Stanley Cup Finals, he was just less worse. Both sucked.

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Now THAT is an educated statement.
What can I say, goal tending is kind of my thing.

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Statistically Leighton was better in the regular season and in the playoffs than Niemi. And while Niemi was better in the Stanley Cup Finals, he was just less worse. Both sucked.
If stats are what does it for you, cool. Goalies don't play in a vacuum though. For whatever it's worth, my opinion is rooted in actually watching them play.


It's a lot easier to get an athletic spaz like Niemi to cut down on his positional mistakes than it is to turn a sloth like Leighton into an adequate athlete. I am oversimplifying my argument a little bit for the sake of brevity, but that is the majority of why I say Niemi has more room for improvement.

In the finals Niemi was making more difficult saves, more often. And he got legitamitely left out to dry more often than anyone cares to mention (or if people are saying that, then I am missing it). Leighton was getting scored on by very stoppable shots. I'm oversimplifying my case, but that says a good deal about why I think he's better now.

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So why exactly does anyone think Niemi is better than Leighton?
Salary aside, you don't think Niemi is better?

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Salary aside, you don't think Niemi is better?
Honestly, I think the fact that he's much younger and has the potential to improve gives him an edge, but as for 1:1 matchups right here, right now based on what just happened in the last few months, they are about equal.

but leighton isn't gonna get any younger, and niemi can only get better. not to say leighton can't improve, but he's kinda leight-in the game...

Also, leighton has a size advantage, but it's arbitrary. nice to have, but not ultimately necessary

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Honestly, I think the fact that he's much younger and has the potential to improve gives him an edge, but as for 1:1 matchups right here, right now based on what just happened in the last few months, they are about equal.

but leighton isn't gonna get any younger, and niemi can only get better. not to say leighton can't improve, but he's kinda leight-in the game...
For whatever it's worth, Niemi is 27, so not a spring chicken in terms of his development, but still room for growth, of course.

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Also, leighton has a size advantage, but it's arbitrary. nice to have, but not ultimately necessary
We're comparing Leighton's 6'3'' 180 lbs. to Niemi's 6'2'' 205 lbs., so it's kind of splitting hairs. Niemi is all limbs. If you ever see him in street clothes he has a short thick torso and loooong arms and legs, a good build for his position.

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Personally, I'd want nothing to do with Niemi. I really don't think he's that good. Yes, I do think he's a bit better than Leighton, but as someone said earlier, Niemi's mistakes seem to be Leighton-esque. He's going to get a solid chunk of money and I don't think it's worth it.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather stick with Leighton-Boucher. (Barring Niemi coming super cheap...which isn't happening).

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