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07-31-2010, 12:33 PM
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So the arbitrator agreed Niemi's comparable to Halak then? Sounds like the Hawks rep didn't do a very good job.
It has been said many times, unless your name is Avery arbitration goes in favor of the player.

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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=535282

Again, this is NOT Eklund. NHL.com confirmed the arb did ward him 2.75 mill.

Just not confirmed if Chi town is taking it.

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07-31-2010, 12:34 PM
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He makes 2.75 this year.
Cap hit is the only important factor - salary is an internal accounting matter.

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I dont remember seeing the Sedin's out there against Burrish, Eager, and Frasor much last year.
Nah the Sedins were owned by Bolland, they need to get past the Bolland hump. Although, with last change the Sedins dominate pretty much every 3rd/4th line in the league.

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I am genuinely excited to see what the Sedins will do to that line, when Vancouver has last change. That's some pretty shoddy depth compared to last year.
If history is any indication, they'll have to score more than 5 to bail out the captain.

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Nah the Sedins were owned by Bolland, they need to get past the Bolland hump. Although, with last change the Sedins dominate pretty much every 3rd/4th line in the league.
The Blackhawks' system makes last change pretty much irrelevant. That's why they've had such great road success in recent years.

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Halak signed for 4 years at $15 million - $3.75 million per season cap hit.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=533860

I am not sure how that is a comparable.
His salary is $2.75M for next season. $3.75 is the average

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07-31-2010, 12:36 PM
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I can see them signing him only if they flip him right away for a pick. Chicago simply cannot afford to keep Niemi without letting go of someone else.

Also , who in the blue hell started this turco @ 1.5 rumor? I dont know whats worse , people starting silly rumors , or the people naive enough to quote hfboard posters as credible sources. Please stop talking about turco @ 1.5 like its your other option.

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Cap hit is the only important factor - salary is an internal accounting matter.
Arbitrators award salaries, not cap hits. Halak's deal pays him $2.75m in 2010-2011 when he would have been an RFA. Why should Niemi get paid this season on Halak's averaged deal that takes him out 4 years into UFA?

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His salary is $2.75M for next season. $3.75 is the average
It is all about cap hit.

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Arbitrators award salaries, not cap hits. Halak's deal pays him $2.75m in 2010-2011 when he would have been an RFA. Why should Niemi get paid this season on Halak's averaged deal that takes him out 4 years into UFA?
Why should Niemi be punished because Halak is back loaded?
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It is all about cap hit.
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Arbitrators award salaries, not cap hits. Halak's deal pays him $2.75m in 2010-2011 when he would have been an RFA. Why should Niemi get paid this season on Halak's averaged deal that takes him out 4 years into UFA?
Arbitrators would look at the entire contract not just one year in isolation in a four year contract.

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I can see them signing him only if they flip him right away for a pick. Chicago simply cannot afford to keep Niemi without letting go of someone else.

Also , who in the blue hell started this turco @ 1.5 rumor? I dont know whats worse , people starting silly rumors , or the people naive enough to quote hfboard posters as credible sources. Please stop talking about turco @ 1.5 like its your other option.
http://twitter.com/stevekouleas/status/19936789789


this guy started the rumor

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Now that the Hawks know the arbitration ruling, can they go to Niemi and say they will walk away with the mutual agreement to a different contract (lower cap hit, but more money upfront)? For example, say they offer him a 3 year contract with a $2.5M cap hit ($3.25M, $2.5M, $1.75M).

Something like this would be beneficial for both the Hawks and Niemi. Suppose he has a bad year and loses the starting job. He won't be seeing a contract in the $2M range anytime soon.

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The Blackhawks' system makes last change pretty much irrelevant. That's why they've had such great road success in recent years.
And I mean, is that so much worse than Sopel (who was a very good PK'er but was horrific 5 on 5) and Hendry? Or Cam Barker and Matt Walker? I mean they sure tore them apart the last two years too.

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Josh Harding is already signed for next year at I believe $1.3m and could be had fairly inexpensively. I would have to believe the Hawks would have more interest in him than a washed up Marty Turco.

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The Blackhawks' system makes last change pretty much irrelevant. That's why they've had such great road success in recent years.
yeah, their system of first line all-stars being paid on ELC's.....

That's going to change.

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07-31-2010, 12:42 PM
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Arbitrators would look at the entire contract not just one year in isolation in a four year contract.
Teams pay a premium for delaying a guy hitting UFA. The structure of Halak's deal reflects that. So does Pekka Rinne's. Niemi would be a UFA and free to sign another contract after only 1 season.

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Now that the Hawks know the arbitration ruling, can they go to Niemi and say they will walk away with the mutual agreement to a different contract (lower cap hit, but more money upfront)? For example, say they offer him a 3 year contract with a $2.5M cap hit ($3.25M, $2.5M, $1.75M).

Something like this would be beneficial for both the Hawks and Niemi. Suppose he has a bad year and loses the starting job. He won't be seeing a contract in the $2M range anytime soon.
No. The choice for the Hawks is to sign the contract as awarded or walk away.

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Wow. Such a reliable and proven source. I can see why people are acting like its set in stone

But seriously , philly will without question offer turco upwards of 2. This rumor has NO merit.

Back to niemi. Is it feasible capwise to sign him at 2.75 without moving something? (even with a 20 man roster?)

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Teams pay a premium for delaying a guy hitting UFA. The structure of Halak's deal reflects that. So does Pekka Rinne's. Niemi would be a UFA and free to sign another contract after only 1 season.
The salary arbitrator will not just look at one year on a four year deal.

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Sorry , he is WAY more credible than a random hfboard poster But seriously , this rumor is silly. Philly will undoubtedly offer upwards of 2 for the services of turco. This rumor is just ridiculous.
If you want to talk about this... go to the Turco to Hawks Thread

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yeah, their system of first line all-stars being paid on ELC's.....

That's going to change.
No, their system of getting the matchups they want at all costs, even on the road.

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