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08-01-2010, 01:49 PM
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Top 6
Gaborik- 42
Frolov- 28
Dubi- 23
Prospal- 20
MZA IF HE MAKES THE LINE UP 12?/ Anisimov-18
E.C.- 15 if he sticks I do believe he will have a retarded amount of assists if he centers Fro and Gabs
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Bottom 6
Avery-11
Drury-18
Cally-20
Prust-5
Boogie-1 thats right i said it
Boyle 5-7ish depending on how much he is a scratch
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D-men
Staal--10
Girardi-8
MDZ--12
Rosi--5
The last two i think we will have to wait till camp is over to see who will be playing for sure
I got 253 with my list with no bottom pair d and i think its an obtainable list.

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08-01-2010, 01:51 PM
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Frolov (28) - Christensen (14) - Gaborik (48)
Dubinsky (23) - Anisimov (18) - MZA (16)
Avery(14)/Prospal(21) - Drury (13)- Callahan (22)
Prust (7) - Boyle (3) - Boogaard (0)

Staal (6) - Girardi (7)
McDonagh (4) - Rozsival (6)
Gilroy (3) - MDZ (11)

Eminger (1)

So that'd be 265 if all goes right. I don't think it's totally out of reach.
That would have been the 3rd best offense in the league this season. We don't have a top 5 offense. That's 3 goals more than the Blackhawks scored. Give me a break.

The mistake everyone makes with these predictions is estimating individual player goal totals in a vacuum without taking into account the effect of ice time and line combos. Is Prospal capable of scoring 21 goals? Absolutely. Is Callahan capable of scoring 22 goals? Of course.

The discrepancies occur because no one factors in the element of ice time. Callahan is not scoring 22 goals with 3rd line ice time. Neither is Prospal.

I saw these same exact predictions last year and people were losing their minds when I said they were totally off base. Offensive depth is seriously overrated around here. There's only so much ice time to go around.

Ice time is equivalent to at bats in baseball. If Frolov is going to score 30 goals than someone else is going to lose ice time and score less. If Prospal scores 25 than someone else is going to lose ice time and score less.

It's hilarious how this board never learns, never evolves. Every offseason is the same.

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08-01-2010, 01:56 PM
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The offense was very streaky last season outside of Gaborik. We had a few games where we scored 6-7 goals which counter the games where we didn't score at all.

If we can be more consistent, 235 goals should be attainable. We added offensive upside in Frolov and Aasen, as well as the progression of Anisimov, Dubinsky, and Callahan.

The main thing we should be worried about is how our defense will be and if Hank can play like he did last year with a weak defense.

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222 last season... and I certainly expect a better offense for the 2010-11 campaign considering Kotalik, Higgins, Redden, and Jokinen will not be taking up roster spots.

Marian Gaborik - 47
Alexander Frolov - 28
Brandon Dubinsky - 26
Ryan Callahan - 24
Vaclav Prospal - 19
Artem Anisimov - 18
Chris Drury - 17
Mats Zuccarello-Aasen -15
Sean Avery - 13
Erik Christensen - 11
Brandon Prust - 7
Brian Boyle - 4
Derek Boogaard - 1

Michael Del Zotto - 13
Michal Rozsival - 10
Matt Gilroy - 8
Marc Staal - 7
Dan Girardi - 5
Ryan McDonagh - 2
Steve Eminger - 2

What the heck, we'll say the Rangers score 277, good for the 3rd or 4th best offense in the NHL

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08-01-2010, 02:02 PM
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Frolov (28) - Christensen (14) - Gaborik (48)
Dubinsky (23) - Anisimov (18) - MZA (16)
Avery(14)/Prospal(21) - Drury (13)- Callahan (22)
Prust (7) - Boyle (3) - Boogaard (0)

Staal (6) - Girardi (7)
McDonagh (4) - Rozsival (6)
Gilroy (3) - MDZ (11)

Eminger (1)

So that'd be 265 if all goes right. I don't think it's totally out of reach.
That is super optimistic. How do you account for Avery/Prospal? There is only one spot on the 3rd LW. Unless they are merging to be Averspal the 35 goal scorer, it feels like cheating. Someone has to be on the 4th line, whether it be Christensen, Anisimov, MZA, or Avery and that someone is not going to get enough ice time to score that much. Do you realize 265 goals averages out to 3.23 goals per game? I think 3 goals per game (246) will be a challenging enough mark to hit. Sure hope I'm wrong though.

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08-01-2010, 05:20 PM
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This is what will actually happen. Don't ask me how I know.


Frolov (24) - Anisimov (20) Gaborik (36)
Dubinsky (21) - Prospal(18) - Callahan (20)
Avery(14) - Drury (14) - Aasen (8)
Prust (7) - Christensen (5) - Boogaard (1)

Boyle (1)

Staal (8) - Girardi (7)
McDonagh (2) - Rozsival (6)
Gilroy (3) - MDZ (15)

Eminger (0)


Total - 230

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08-01-2010, 05:42 PM
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260 goals?

Is anyone else watching the same team I always do that has HUGE issues scoring every game?

We go through HUGE stretches where we just can't score.

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I could see 235... holy S Washington had 318!??!

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I could see 235... holy S Washington had 318!??!
At one point they were had an average of 5 goals per game. it was sick.

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Last season they were 222GF 218GA

Score 232 and give up 208 and that has to be worth 5+wins

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Frolov (28) - Christensen (14) - Gaborik (48)
Dubinsky (23) - Anisimov (18) - MZA (16)
Avery(14)/Prospal(21) - Drury (13)- Callahan (22)
Prust (7) - Boyle (3) - Boogaard (0)

Staal (6) - Girardi (7)
McDonagh (4) - Rozsival (6)
Gilroy (3) - MDZ (11)

Eminger (1)

So that'd be 265 if all goes right. I don't think it's totally out of reach.
Your 3rd line leftwinger will bring 35 goals to your team?


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That would have been the 3rd best offense in the league this season. We don't have a top 5 offense. That's 3 goals more than the Blackhawks scored. Give me a break.

The mistake everyone makes with these predictions is estimating individual player goal totals in a vacuum without taking into account the effect of ice time and line combos. Is Prospal capable of scoring 21 goals? Absolutely. Is Callahan capable of scoring 22 goals? Of course.

The discrepancies occur because no one factors in the element of ice time. Callahan is not scoring 22 goals with 3rd line ice time. Neither is Prospal.

I saw these same exact predictions last year and people were losing their minds when I said they were totally off base. Offensive depth is seriously overrated around here. There's only so much ice time to go around.

Ice time is equivalent to at bats in baseball. If Frolov is going to score 30 goals than someone else is going to lose ice time and score less. If Prospal scores 25 than someone else is going to lose ice time and score less.

It's hilarious how this board never learns, never evolves. Every offseason is the same.
Well said... I admit I'm guilty of not factoring in ice time or players shifting lines. Even so I think we'll have a good offense this year.

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At one point they were had an average of 5 goals per game. it was sick.
Holy ****. That really makes Halak look insane for stopping that beastly team.

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Prospal-14 Christensen- 12 Gaborik- 40
Frolov- 25 Anisimov-20 MZA-14
Avery-14 Dubinsky-18 Callahan-17
Prust-6 Drury- 13 Boogaard- 1

Boyle and other forwards-4

Staal-6 Rozsival- 5
Girardi-5 MDZ- 8
Gilroy-7 Eminger-4
McDonagh- 3

236 goals= very realistic projection. We may get a couple more from the frowards and a couple less from the D.

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Prospal-10 Christensen- 14 Gaborik- 44
Frolov- 21 Anisimov-17 MZA-9
Avery-8 Dubinsky-20 Callahan-23
Prust-4 Drury- 12 Boogaard- 2

Boyle and call-ups - 8

Staal-6 Rozsival- 4
Girardi-7 MDZ- 7
Gilroy-3 Eminger-3
McDonagh- 5

I got 221... 1 less goal than last yr.

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Just added up Dobber's projections from his fantasy guide, I totaled it up to 264

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I would have thought you were going to be overly optimistic but you did put Boogard as 0 goals...

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Prospal-18 Christensen- 12 Gaborik- 42
Frolov- 26 Anisimov-15 MZA-10
Avery-8 Dubinsky-18 Callahan-20
Prust-5 Drury- 18 Boogaard- 0

Boyle and call-ups - 10

Staal-5 Rozsival- 6
Girardi-7 MDZ- 7
Gilroy-5 Eminger-3
McDonagh- 2
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237

Drury will get PP time and won't play the 4th line everygame/ all game. Avery won't get as much PP time with Frolov joining the squad.


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I think this is closer to reality but somewhere in there we will lose about 5 goals. I am thinking more like 235 goals. Hopefully, we only give up about 215 goals. That would be a +20 goal differential and enough to get us in the playoffs.
Blues were the only team last season to have + goal differential and miss playoffs. They were +2...

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235 is the number

still not nearly enough scoring to be anything more than a last seed.
except for the part where 8 of the 14 1-7 seeds last season scored 236 goals or less.

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260+? FAIL This team is not scoring over 3.1 goals per game.

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I don't think each player's individual expectations are off, from the OP. Prospal gets more though. I feel like he's a bit underrated on these boards. But combined, I can't see that happening. 260 is a lot of goals. Someone is gonna slack somewhere, it could be anyone.

I'm also not so sure MZA is going to have as much of an immediate impact as one would think. 16 goals seems like a lot, to me.

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If Todd White can recover and be healthy, subtract Boyle from the line-up and add White. He can add 10-15 goals if healthy.

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If Todd White can recover and be healthy, subtract Boyle from the line-up and add White. He can add 10-15 goals if healthy.
Even still, Boyle would've scored around 5. Not that huge of an upgrade.

Still, we can make all the calculations we want and put every one of our players "averages" in, we all know this team won't hit 260 goals or near 3 goals per game.

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This is one of those threads...

If the Rangers score the 230-235 that I expect, I will be quite content, as long as Lundqvist continues to play well.

There is literally a 1 in 1000 chance that the team scores 260. You're looking at no injuries, almost every player improving from last season. If we run everyone with last seasons numbers we get;.

Frolov(19) Christensen (8) Gaborik (42)
Prospal(20) Dubinsky (20) Callahan (19)
Avery (11) Drury (14) Anisimov (12)
Prust (5) Boyle (4) Boogaard (0)

We'll add 10 from White for ***** and giggles

Staal(8) Del Zotto (9)
Girardi (6) Rosival (3)
Gilroy (4) Eminger (4)

Assume 3 for McD

that gives us 221 goals. There needs to be improvement for our roster to have success.

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