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07-31-2010, 10:16 PM
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You add Huskins' salary and you have just enough to get Souray.
Don't say things like that.

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You add Huskins' salary and you have just enough to get Souray.
That would be hilarious. Hilariously sad

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Like this deal but how are the forwards not all WTF when they see what the dmen on this team are making?

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Like this deal but how are the forwards not all WTF when they see what the dmen on this team are making?
I think that the people speculating about the verbal agreement between DW and wallin for a contract this year caused his 2.5 million cap hit. Huskins at 1.7 was a mistake... but he could get a little better this year maybe?

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Huskins at 1.7 was a mistake... but he could get a little better this year maybe?
I'm actually looking forward to seeing Huskins and Mitchell in action this year. We were all hard on them in the beginning of the season, but they did just come off of pretty major injuries and both of them seemed to play a lot better as the season progressed.

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I'm actually looking forward to seeing Huskins and Mitchell in action this year. We were all hard on them in the beginning of the season, but they did just come off of pretty major injuries and both of them seemed to play a lot better as the season progressed.



Cmon huskins dougie said you had it in ya.

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This is the first GOOD move DW has made all post-season.

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This is the first GOOD move DW has made all post-season.
Forgetting about Demers? If he continues to develop he should be worth more than his 1.25 quickly.

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This is the first GOOD move DW has made all post-season.
How about deciding to resign Patty?

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I've had plenty of harsh things to say about Seto's progress last season... but this has got to be one of the biggest steals going in the NHL.

Nevermind the overpaid D... how about Seto for $425k more than Mitchell? Uhhh... hmm...

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This is the first GOOD move DW has made all post-season.
and i guess i'll be the last to point out the third good move ..

what about Pavelski signing?

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DW's recap.

It seems DW always compensates for dumb@$$ moves with great ones. For example, after Huskins dumb signing, he signs Nichol for cheap, Pavs for 4M which is close to a steal. Then, he signs Wallin *facepalm again* for 2.5, and compensates with Seto for 1.8M (Also a steal!) He also managed to keep Patty for a decent salary...and he seems really open to pulling the trigger on any good deal that will improve our Defense. He also extended Demers for good money and is working on an extension w/ JT, which will hopefully be not too bad of a deal. He hasn't been 100% horrible...he's been quite good except for a few bad signings.

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DW also bumped HJ up to 3.5 with that offer sheet and facilitated the Chi/Atl trade. I will reserve some judgement on the trade but am optimistic. Being johnny on the spot for any opportunity to weaken your opposition is a good thing.

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My bad, I misread it obviously
LOL...not your fault Led used a double negative.

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LOL...not your fault Led used a double negative.
There's no way he shouldn't have been able to understand what I meant

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It seems DW always compensates for dumb@$$ moves with great ones. For example, after Huskins dumb signing, he signs Nichol for cheap, Pavs for 4M which is close to a steal. Then, he signs Wallin *facepalm again* for 2.5, and compensates with Seto for 1.8M (Also a steal!) He also managed to keep Patty for a decent salary...and he seems really open to pulling the trigger on any good deal that will improve our Defense. He also extended Demers for good money and is working on an extension w/ JT, which will hopefully be not too bad of a deal. He hasn't been 100% horrible...he's been quite good except for a few bad signings.
Obviously there were also other deals you didn't mention, both good and bad. Prior to the Heatley deal I was generally a DW defender. I had the benefit of hindsight and could see his mistakes and would admit that he possibly could have avoided them with the right due diligence, but it wasn't enough to sour me. However, he went too far over the edge on win-now mode, traded away too many picks out of the cupboard, and really, while he does have some definite wins on signings and trades, his misses constitute a very real pattern of wishful thinking and willingness to overlook things he should be wary of. Nothing he's said or done has yet indicated to me that he has acknowledged or broken this pattern. Signings are better than his trade record to me, and looking back on it, the two biggest trade wins were JT and Boyle, and those can be seen really as odd behavior mistakes by their former owners moreso than anything DW did. We know that he didn't even call Boston for JT and was surprised he was available (and they didn't seem to be shopping him to up the price either), and we know about the Tampa ownership issues of the time.

Perhaps more importantly, the GM is also ultimately responsible for the team culture and the fit of players acquired or developed into roles and the style of play. Going back to the RW coaching era, it was never clear that Sharks hockey was any one style or that the players were developed and slotted into defined roles on a regular basis, although some did work out that way, not enough. One month RW would say we played a possession game, next month a big body game, and after that he'd tell us how we were a team that adjusted based on whoever they were playing. This has continued under The Todd's leadership, as we originally seemed to be headed to a Detroit type model and ended up this past off-season playing largely big body dump n chase against faster and smoother teams.

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Obviously there were also other deals you didn't mention, both good and bad. Prior to the Heatley deal I was generally a DW defender. I had the benefit of hindsight and could see his mistakes and would admit that he possibly could have avoided them with the right due diligence, but it wasn't enough to sour me. However, he went too far over the edge on win-now mode, traded away too many picks out of the cupboard, and really, while he does have some definite wins on signings and trades, his misses constitute a very real pattern of wishful thinking and willingness to overlook things he should be wary of. Nothing he's said or done has yet indicated to me that he has acknowledged or broken this pattern. Signings are better than his trade record to me, and looking back on it, the two biggest trade wins were JT and Boyle, and those can be seen really as odd behavior mistakes by their former owners moreso than anything DW did. We know that he didn't even call Boston for JT and was surprised he was available (and they didn't seem to be shopping him to up the price either), and we know about the Tampa ownership issues of the time.

Perhaps more importantly, the GM is also ultimately responsible for the team culture and the fit of players acquired or developed into roles and the style of play. Going back to the RW coaching era, it was never clear that Sharks hockey was any one style or that the players were developed and slotted into defined roles on a regular basis, although some did work out that way, not enough. One month RW would say we played a possession game, next month a big body game, and after that he'd tell us how we were a team that adjusted based on whoever they were playing. This has continued under The Todd's leadership, as we originally seemed to be headed to a Detroit type model and ended up this past off-season playing largely big body dump n chase against faster and smoother teams.

I agree with most of what you said but this I'm not sure about. I think the Sharks are finally starting to develop an identity under TMac. They have elements of what Detroit does but combined with a more north/south big bodied style game, it plays to their strengths and thats what coaches have to try and do.

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I agree with most of what you said but this I'm not sure about. I think the Sharks are finally starting to develop an identity under TMac. They have elements of what Detroit does but combined with a more north/south big bodied style game, it plays to their strengths and thats what coaches have to try and do.
I wasn't so much trying to blame The Todd. I agree he will do what he has to in order to get the team given him to perform at its best and that is his job. It is DW's job to put together the team with pieces which will allow him to install one style of play which includes defined roles that the players acquired can be reasonably expected to fill. It is also DW's job to then do it again the next year and the one after that, acquiring players who also fit that same role and style. The problem is that DW goes for offense, but he does not go for speed, almost ever. That applies consistently to drafting, trading, and signing with few exceptions (Nichol, Grier?). This leaves the coach in a position of finding a recipe with those ingredients, but they are ingredients that are hard to make work together and lack much variety.

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