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08-03-2010, 01:16 PM
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If we could deal Hamrlik and sign Witt for $1 mill I would be that happiest guy in the world.
Why? Then we just downgraded our defense.

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08-03-2010, 01:31 PM
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Why? Then we just downgraded our defense.
Because around here having cap space is more important than having good players.

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08-03-2010, 01:32 PM
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Because around here having cap space is more important than having good players.
Apparently.

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08-03-2010, 01:38 PM
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Because around here having cap space is more important than having good players.

We wouldn't be allowed to spend the extra cap space?

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We wouldn't be allowed to spend the extra cap space?
On who?

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We wouldn't be allowed to spend the extra cap space?
Sure. But what about the gaping hole at the number 2 D position?

People throw around Hamrlik's name like he sucks around here. Hamrlik would be the best UFA available for defensemen right now if he were on the market and we don't have anyone to replace him right now. Especially considering Markov's injury.

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On who?
Éric Bélanger

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08-03-2010, 01:58 PM
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On who?
A Power Forward.

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A Power Forward.
Which powerforward is available that wouldn't require us to give up assets?

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A Power Forward.
Sounds great!

None are available

That's what he meant by spending it on who?

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did we get Bobby Ryan yet?

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08-03-2010, 02:08 PM
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Which powerforward is available that wouldn't require us to give up assets?
Why wouldn't we want to give assets back?

I would gladly give Andrei and a 2nd for Hartnell or Penner.

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08-03-2010, 02:12 PM
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Why wouldn't we want to give assets back?

I would gladly give Andrei and a 2nd for Hartnell or Penner.
Making that trade would fit under the cap unless Price is signed to a 4.5-5 mil cap hit.

Hartnell is a 4.2 mil cap hit and Penner 4.25 mil, AK is a 3.250 cap hit and if Price signs for 2-3 mil hit we still have 2 mil left so making taht deal would not require moving anybody else.

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08-03-2010, 02:19 PM
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Hamrlik was our unsung hero throughout the whole regular season, then gorges and gill took over in the playoffs.. people who wanna trade hammer are out of their minds and have short memories jeeshh

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08-03-2010, 02:21 PM
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Making that trade would fit under the cap unless Price is signed to a 4.5-5 mil cap hit.

Hartnell is a 4.2 mil cap hit and Penner 4.25 mil, AK is a 3.250 cap hit and if Price signs for 2-3 mil hit we still have 2 mil left so making taht deal would not require moving anybody else.
Why the **** would Carey Price have a 5 mil cap hit next season?

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08-03-2010, 02:23 PM
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Making that trade would fit under the cap unless Price is signed to a 4.5-5 mil cap hit.

Hartnell is a 4.2 mil cap hit and Penner 4.25 mil, AK is a 3.250 cap hit and if Price signs for 2-3 mil hit we still have 2 mil left so making taht deal would not require moving anybody else.
Penner had 55 hits in 82 games last year. He might be big, but AK is way more physical.

Hartnell had 138 hits in 81 games.

Ak had 102 hits in 59 games. A projection of 141 hits over 82 games.

I'm constantly amazed how much AK does not get respect here for is hits. Must players mentionned by posters to replace him are less physical or the same.

If you want to blame AK for not being consistent, fine, I agree, but he is a power forward and better than most people want to admit. It took 161 hits last year in the NHL to be top 30 for forwards, and if you look at the list, most are 3rd and 4th liners. So why do we need to replace AK? He would be top 10 in the league for hits by forwards who plays on a team's top 6. This guy gets no love at all, yet he is a rare breed in this league???

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...tssPlayerStats

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Why the **** would Carey Price have a 5 mil cap hit next season?
I didn't say he would, I'm pointing out that Hamrlik doesn't need to go to do the proposed sawps.

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The best course of action at this point is to let Andrei prove himself on the last year of his contract and with out his brother in the city. He could have a really good season this year. If he doesn't then upgrades can be made during the season or going into next year when we have more options with cap space and roster spots. It also gives management a better idea of how Pouliot fits into the club.

Trading Hamrlik for no other reason to acquire cap space is a backwards move. If there is an upgrade available, then maybe you move him, otherwise you just have good solid two way veteran defensemen for one more year.

Purging existing solid players on the team just for the sake of cap space is foolhardy, and has no point to it.

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08-03-2010, 02:34 PM
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Penner had 55 hits in 82 games last year. He might be big, but AK is way more physical.

Hartnell had 138 hits in 81 games.

Ak had 102 hits in 59 games. A projection of 141 hits over 82 games.

I'm constantly amazed how much AK does not get respect here for is hits. Must players mentionned by posters to replace him are less physical or the same.

If you want to blame AK for not being consistent, fine, I agree, but he is a power forward and better than most people want to admit. It took 161 hits last year in the NHL to be top 30 for forwards, and if you look at the list, most are 3rd and 4th liners. So why do we need to replace AK? He would be top 10 in the league for hits by forwards who plays on a team's top 6. This guy gets no love at all, yet he is a rare breed in this league???

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...tssPlayerStats
I think part of it is his sulking brother being associated with him.

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08-03-2010, 02:40 PM
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Penner had 55 hits in 82 games last year. He might be big, but AK is way more physical.

Hartnell had 138 hits in 81 games.

Ak had 102 hits in 59 games. A projection of 141 hits over 82 games.

I'm constantly amazed how much AK does not get respect here for is hits. Must players mentionned by posters to replace him are less physical or the same.

If you want to blame AK for not being consistent, fine, I agree, but he is a power forward and better than most people want to admit. It took 161 hits last year in the NHL to be top 30 for forwards, and if you look at the list, most are 3rd and 4th liners. So why do we need to replace AK? He would be top 10 in the league for hits by forwards who plays on a team's top 6. This guy gets no love at all, yet he is a rare breed in this league???

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...tssPlayerStats
Power forwards do not necessarily hit a lot. They just go in front of the net and GET HIT, but do not move because of their size & strenght.

Best example is frikkin Holstrom... heck, I don't even know if the guy can skate or hit, he's just ALWAYS in the crease ready to tip one in... and that's why he's good.

That's mainly why we whined at Guillaume : his failure to be there.
I'm pretty sure Penner gets most of his goals from there.
We don't get many goals from that area... maybe our most productive forward from the crease was Gionta... and I could even bet he's been or most productive forward in the crease since Doug "Killer" Gilmour.

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Penner had 55 hits in 82 games last year. He might be big, but AK is way more physical.

Hartnell had 138 hits in 81 games.

Ak had 102 hits in 59 games. A projection of 141 hits over 82 games.

I'm constantly amazed how much AK does not get respect here for is hits. Must players mentionned by posters to replace him are less physical or the same.

If you want to blame AK for not being consistent, fine, I agree, but he is a power forward and better than most people want to admit. It took 161 hits last year in the NHL to be top 30 for forwards, and if you look at the list, most are 3rd and 4th liners. So why do we need to replace AK? He would be top 10 in the league for hits by forwards who plays on a team's top 6. This guy gets no love at all, yet he is a rare breed in this league???

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...tssPlayerStats
Hartnell steps up in the playoffs and ak disappears...

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Power forwards do not necessarily hit a lot. They just go in front of the net and GET HIT, but do not move because of their size & strenght.

Best example is frikkin Holstrom... heck, I don't even know if the guy can skate or hit, he's just ALWAYS in the crease ready to tip one in... and that's why he's good.

That's mainly why we whined at Guillaume : his failure to be there.
I'm pretty sure Penner gets most of his goals from there.
We don't get many goals from that area... maybe our most productive forward from the crease was Gionta... and I could even bet he's been or most productive forward in the crease since Doug "Killer" Gilmour.
Holmstrom is not a power forward. He's an agitator who will pay the price in front of the net. His skill level is well below guys like Penner and Latendresse who can actually score on hockey plays, not just having the puck hit them or hacking in a rebound. He's good at what he does, but he gets a bit too glorified by some Hab fans obsessing about parking somebody in front on the PP, this despite us having a top PP the last 5 or so years.

If you think Penner gets most of his goals just parking himself in front you haven't watched him.

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08-03-2010, 03:02 PM
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Hartnell steps up in the playoffs and ak disappears...
That's your opinion. I don't agree.

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Here's Ek's latest Price update... Don't know why he added Price's name to the Savard section though..
Because he's bad at writing. He once stated that a deal was "in the offering".

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If you think Penner gets most of his goals just parking himself in front you haven't watched him.
you're right, he's a small finesse player.

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