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07-22-2010, 06:42 PM
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Once you factor in, say, a 20% decline in production due to missing games due to injuries or merely playing hurt your point totals approach what is probably a pretty realistic number.

It's extremely difficult for any team to hit the 300 goal mark.

It happened once last year. It didn't happen in 08-09, and the goals leader in 07-08 was Ottawa with 258.

A few teams also did it just after the lockout but that year is a fluke. Scoring has gone down since then. Even the following year from the lockout Buffalo, with a stacked offensive team, managed 298.

Washington plays an extremely offensive system with a few extraordinarily gifted players who have free reign to take chances. The Flyers are going to be in the 250ish range, top 8 or so in the league.
agree 100%! Philly will be top 5-10 in scoring. With our goalie, defense will be priority 1. I don't expect many blowouts for us. 3-2 would be a typical flyer win next year...

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07-22-2010, 06:49 PM
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Hard to predict without lines. Assuming:
Carter(45,40)-richards(32-45)-zherdev(25-30)
hartnell(30-25)-briere(34-56)-leino(15-30)
jvr(20-20)-Giroux(22-40)-carcillo(8-20)
laps(4-15)-betts(5-15)-powe(7-20)

pp 1:
Carter-richards-briere-pronger-carle
hartnell-Giroux-zherdev-timonen-coburn

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07-22-2010, 07:20 PM
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those lines are way off.

i expect:

offense:

shelley

defense:

walker

goal: leighton/shelley

scratches:

all those other ****ing scrubs.

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07-22-2010, 07:36 PM
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Richards - 33 goals 50 assists 83 pts
Carter - 43 goals 39 assists 82 PTA
Briere - 35 goals 42 assists 77 pts
Zherdev - 30 goals 34 assists 64 pts
Giroux - 26 goals 36 assists 62 pts
Hartnell - 28 goals 28 assists 56 pts
JVR - 22 goals 26 assists 48 pts
Leino - 15 goals 25 assists 40 pts
Carcillo - 11 goals 11 assists 22 PTA
Betts - 7 goals 11 assist 18 Pts
Pappy - 4 goals 10 assist 14 pts
Powe - 8 goals 9 assists 17 pts
Shelley - 3 goals 4 assists 7 pts

Pronger - 18 goals 36 assists 54 pts
Timonen - 14 goals 34 assists 48 pts
Mez - 9 goals 25 assists 34 pts
Carle - 8 goals 22 assists 30 pts
Coburn - 10 goals 22 assists 32 pts
Odonnel - 3 goals 9 assists 12 pts
Walker - 2 goals 10 assists 12 pts

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07-22-2010, 07:40 PM
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66 + 265 = 331 - 20% injuries = ~ 270 goals

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07-22-2010, 07:43 PM
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That was off my head on my iPhone, I probably would adjust the d a lot, too many goals coming from there

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07-23-2010, 12:50 AM
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Hmmmm....

Richards - 28 G, 55 A, 83 PTS
Carter - 40 G 35 A, 75 PTS
Briere - 27 G, 39 A, 66 PTS
Giroux - 22 G, 43 A, 65 PTS
Zherdev - 30 G, 32 A, 62 PTS
Hartnell - 25 G, 28 A, 53 PTS
Leino - 15 G, 35 A, 50 PTS
JVR - 19 G, 25 A, 44 PTS
Carcillo - 10 G, 15 A, 25 PTS
Betts - 5 G, 9 A, 14 PTS
Laperriere - 3 G, 8 A, 11 PTS
Shelley - 2 G, 4 A, 6 PTS

Pronger - 9 G, 41 A, 50 PTS
Meszaros - 7 G, 28 A, 35 PTS
Timonen - 5 G, 30 A, 35 PTS
Carle - 3 G, 27, 30 PTS
Coburn - 5 G, 18 A, 23 PTS
O'Donnell - 2 G, 8 A, 10 PTS
Walker - 1 G, 3 A, 4 PTS

GF: 258 (would have put us fifth overall in the NHL and second in the ECF last year, behind Washington at 318 and just ahead of Pittsburgh at 257)

There's no reason our offense shouldn't be among the league's elite.


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07-23-2010, 01:07 AM
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Richards - 29G/43A 72P
Carter - 43G/38A 81P
Briere - 38G/38A 76P
Giroux - 25G/50A 75P
Zherdev - 22G/28A 50P
Hartnel - 30G/25A 55P
Leino - 40G/40A 80P BOOK IT!
JVR - 18G/30A 48P
Carcillo - 13G/20A 33P
Betts - 10G/9A 19P
Laperriere - 5G/8A 13P
Powe - 10G/7A 17P
Shelley - 4G/4A 8P

Pronger - 13G/31A 44P
Meszaros -5G/21A 26P
Timonen - 7G/30A 37P
Carle - 8G/32A 40P
Coburn - 4G/20A 24P
O'Donnell - 1G/10A 11P
Walker - 3G/9A 12P

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07-23-2010, 01:44 AM
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Richards 27 - 52 = 79
Carter 38 - 36 = 74
Briere 26 - 48 = 74
Giroux 17 - 40 = 57
Zherdev 23 - 26 = 49
Hartnell 28 - 30 = 58
Leino 16 - 25 = 41
JVR 24 - 27 = 51
Carcillo 17 - 19 = 38
Betts 6 - 8 = 14
Laperriere 5 - 10 = 15
Powe 8 - 9 = 17
Shelley 9 - 4 = 13

Pronger 11 - 45 = 56
Meszaros 13 - 24 = 37
Timonen 5 - 40 = 45
Carle 7 - 29 = 36
Coburn 3 - 19 = 22
O'Donnell 2 - 15 = 17
Walker 2 - 4 = 6


Although Zherdev could score 10 - 15 goals more if he fits in, gets the system and actually tries.

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07-23-2010, 02:24 AM
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I'm really hoping JVR pulls a Stamkos and goes ape****.

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07-23-2010, 04:42 AM
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Blair Betts: 4 goals, 7 assists
Danny Briere: 32 goals, 36 assists
Dan Carcillo: 9 goals, 11 assists
Jeff Carter: 38 goals, 34 assists
Claude Giroux: 16 goals, 40 assists
Scott Hartnell: 28 goals, 26 assists
Ian Laperriere: 3 goals, 5 assists
Ville Leino: 14 goals, 21 assists
Darroll Powe: 9 goals, 9 assists
Mike Richards: 31 goals, 46 assists
Jody Shelley: 3 goals, 6 assist
Nikolai Zherdev: 22 goals, 21 assists
James van Riemsdyk: 21 goals, 24 assists

Matt Carle: 7 goals, 31 assists
Braydon Coburn: 5 goals, 25 assists
Andrej Meszaros: 11 goals, 29 assists
Sean O'Donnell: 1 goal, 6 assists
Chris Pronger: 11 goals, 35 assists
Kimmo Timonen: 4 goals, 34 assists
Matt Walker: 3 goals, a4ssists

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07-23-2010, 09:59 AM
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Assuming my ideal lineup (and no long term injuries other than Betts):

Zherdev - Richards - Leino
Hartnell - Carter - JVR
Carcillo - Giroux - Briere
Lappy - Betts - Shelley/Powe

Pronger - Carle
Meszaros - Timonen
Coburn - O'donnell/Walker

Cups of Coffee (in order of GP): Nodl, Maroon, Bartulis, Testuwide

Richards-28G, 58A 86PTS
Carter-42G, 40A 82PTS
Zherdev-30G, 33A 63PTS
Briere-23G, 40A 63PTS
Giroux-18G, 40A 58PTS
Hartnell-22G, 25A 47PTS
JVR-20G, 25A 45PTS
Leino-15G, 25A 40PTS
Carcillo-10G, 20A 30PTS
Laperriere-4G, 9A 13PTS
Betts-3G, 9A 12PTS
Powe-4G, 7A 11PTS
Shelley-2G, 5A 7PTS
Nodl - 2G, 5A 7PTS
Maroon - 2G, 2A 4PTS
Testuwide - 0G, 2A 2PTS

Pronger-15G, 50A 65PTS
Timonen-3G, 40A 43PTS
Carle-5G, 35A 40PTS
Meszaros-5G, 30A 35PTS
Coburn-8G, 20A 28PTS
O'Donnell-2G, 12A 12PTS
Walker-1G, 5A 6PTS
Bartulis - 0G, 2A 2PTS

Total Goals For: 264 (goals/gm: 3.22 - 3rd last year)

Leighton: 45GP (55% of games), 29-10-6, .905 SVPCT, 2.35 GAA (106 goals against)
Boucher: 25GP (30% of games), 11-11-3, .89 SVPCT, 2.55 GAA (64 goals against)
Bob: 12GP (15% of games), 8-2-2, .912 SVPCT, 2.25 GAA (27 goals against)

Total Goals Against: 197 (avg SVPCT: 0.9, avg GAA: 2.4 - 5th last year)
Total Shots Faced: 1970 (shots/gm: 24 - 1st last year)

Record: 48-23-11 - 107 points - 4th in league, 2nd in East last year

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08-04-2010, 04:19 PM
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Points Projection ?

trying to figure out who will be the flyers best player next season...

also, i was very impressed by ville leino during the playoff and i am wondering how many points he will have next season?

what will be the lines combos?

Hartnell-Briere-Leino
Zherdev-Richards-Carcillo
VanRyemsdyk-Carter-Giroux

and points projections ?

Richards 30-40-70
Carter 35-30-65
Giroux 21-40-61
Briere 26-34-60
Leino 19-38-57
Zherdev 20-34-54
Hartnell 24-25-49
VanRyemsdyk 16-24-40
Carcillo 12-13-25

what do you think ?

i live in montreal but i have to say you guys have the best offense in the league in my opinion..if you could sign niemi, you will probably be the best team in the nhl with vancouver, if you start the season with leighton and boucher you will still be a very good team

thank you for giving me your opinions on the flyers lines and points projections

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08-05-2010, 08:51 AM
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Just curious...

IF lets say zherdev scores 30 goals and 40 assists this year. (hang with me)

if it was possible to dump hartnell for a pick and resign zherdev for 4.2mil (allowing us to keep zherdev, carter, giroux, and leino) would you do it?

if not, how many goals/assist would be the breaking point where you say "ok fine gimme that guy instead of hartnell"

again JUST curious. i personally would like to have zherdev on our team>hartnell if he brings it this year (which i am fairly confident he will)

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IF lets say zherdev scores 30 goals and 40 assists this year. (hang with me)

if it was possible to dump hartnell for a pick and resign zherdev for 4.2mil (allowing us to keep zherdev, carter, giroux, and leino) would you do it?

if not, how many goals/assist would be the breaking point where you say "ok fine gimme that guy instead of hartnell"

again JUST curious. i personally would like to have zherdev on our team>hartnell if he brings it this year (which i am fairly confident he will)
It also depends how well Hartnell does. Hartnell's game is very different from the rest of our forwards. That is hard to replace, so it's hard to say without knowing how they each did.

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It's tricky because even if Zherdev goes for 70 points this year, I wouldn't trust him to keep that kind of production going after getting a nice, long contract. I'd be afraid he'd get his money and pack it in based on his past behavior. The smart thing to do would probably be just to let him walk regardless of what we get out of him this season.

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if hartnell is on his game, he can do things our other forwards don't do.

like run goalies

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trying to figure out who will be the flyers best player next season...

also, i was very impressed by ville leino during the playoff and i am wondering how many points he will have next season?

what will be the lines combos?

Hartnell-Briere-Leino
Zherdev-Richards-Carcillo
VanRyemsdyk-Carter-Giroux

and points projections ?

Richards 30-40-70
Carter 35-30-65
Giroux 21-40-61
Briere 26-34-60
Leino 19-38-57
Zherdev 20-34-54
Hartnell 24-25-49
VanRyemsdyk 16-24-40
Carcillo 12-13-25

what do you think ?

i live in montreal but i have to say you guys have the best offense in the league in my opinion..if you could sign niemi, you will probably be the best team in the nhl with vancouver, if you start the season with leighton and boucher you will still be a very good team

thank you for giving me your opinions on the flyers lines and points projections
I personally think you are expecting quite a bit more from Leino than most of us are. You are also lowballing almost every other forward on our team.

Last season was an enigma, our offense went through epic spurts of not scoring goals under John Stevens and during the coaching switch, our forward's numbers were universally down from every single one of their career averages barring the younger players.

For example: Richards had 2 straight seasons flirting with a PPG, last year he had 63, I would expect him to be back flirting with a PPG.

Also, Zherdev put up 55 on an offensively anemic Rangers team with no one around him. This year he is going to be on Richard's wing and will be potting goals like it is going out of style while playing for a big contract next year. I expect a HUGE season from him.

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If JVR doesn't surprisingly turn into a physical beast I wouldn't trade Hartnell at all. You need some grunt on scoring lines, I would even go as far as saying we lack some grunt on those lines. There's a reason we play Carcillo on the first line on some night.
Carter for Perry would be something this team would benefit from, while keeping Hartnell.

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i know hartnell had an "off year" but he didnt seem to physical to me last year. Guys who can by physical and score too! of course every team would like that type of player. I just dont think Hartnell IS that type of player anymore. Richards certainly is, Carter is certainly strong WITH the puck. And as for screening the goalie, while i admit we are lacking in that role heavily, JVR seemed to do a good job of it and i dont think hartnell was anywhere NEAR knuble in front of the net...he took more penalties than he scored goals in the crease...maybe hes not an "in front of the net" type of guy, i dunno...he seemed to work better along the boards two years ago than in front of the net last year.

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It's tricky because even if Zherdev goes for 70 points this year, I wouldn't trust him to keep that kind of production going after getting a nice, long contract. I'd be afraid he'd get his money and pack it in based on his past behavior. The smart thing to do would probably be just to let him walk regardless of what we get out of him this season.
Agreed. I don't really want him back regardless. Lets take his production for 2 mil and enjoy it for the year we have it.

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If JVR doesn't surprisingly turn into a physical beast I wouldn't trade Hartnell at all. You need some grunt on scoring lines, I would even go as far as saying we lack some grunt on those lines. There's a reason we play Carcillo on the first line on some night.
Carter for Perry would be something this team would benefit from, while keeping Hartnell.
Perry - NO ******* way. Not after what he did to Giroux. I hate that punk. **** that.

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That is easy, no chance Zherdev gets 30-40, maybe 25-24. Hartnell has a better chance of 30-30 again than Zherdev racking up 70pts.

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That is easy, no chance Zherdev gets 30-40, maybe 25-24. Hartnell has a better chance of 30-30 again than Zherdev racking up 70pts.
The guy got 55 points playing with Jack and **** feeding him the puck in NY, you honestly think he can't get 70 points with Richards centering him?

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The guy got 55 points playing with Jack and **** feeding him the puck in NY, you honestly think he can't get 70 points with Richards centering him?
Have you actually really watched this guy play? He has some amazing skills, but not the work ethic to match. So no.

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