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08-06-2010, 12:26 PM
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Difference: Briere has a NMC which means you can't use waiving him as a means of leverage. I would be very surprised if he is moved any time before the 2013 season.
Sure, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't waive when he realizes he isn't wanted any longer.

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08-06-2010, 12:29 PM
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There are a ton of question marks about how different players will perform next year. Will Richards and Carter be back to a ppg pace? Will the Hartnell-Briere-Leino line produce close to what they did in the playoffs for an entire season? Will Zherdev be able to replace Gagne's offensive share? Will Giroux finally truly break out (in a contract year no less)? And how will JVR progress in his sophomore year? What do you all think?

Richards and Carter need to get back into the 70-80 points range. Their offensive output was unacceptable last year.

Personally, Kuato does not think Briere will ever score 70+ points again. If he was a consistent 60 point man, Kuato would be happy. Same for Leino.

Hartnell is a bum and will continue to be one. He'll be a 40 point man again.

Kuato would like to see Giroux and Zherdev in the 60-70 point range and would be pleased if JVR ended with around 55.

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Sure, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't waive when he realizes he isn't wanted any longer.
Just because Holmgren said that he could get players to waive their NTC and NMCs if he told them he didn't want them anymore doesn't mean I buy it for a second. If Gagne had a NMC I bet he would have laughed at Homer trying to deal him.

Briere is a hardcore gamer who wants to win more than I have ever seen in a player before, when he was almost in tears after game 6 my heart really sank. It is VERY obvious that he values winning above all else, which is probably why he picked Philly to begin with. Also, after his divorce, if we were trying to move him, don't you think this would have been the offseason to do it since he likely would want to start a new life away from his extremely unattractive ex? Again, he most likely valued winning above all else.

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08-06-2010, 12:33 PM
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Richards and Carter need to get back into the 70-80 points range. Their offensive output was unacceptable last year.

Personally, Kuato does not think Briere will ever score 70+ points again. If he was a consistent 60 point man, Kuato would be happy. Same for Leino.

Hartnell is a bum and will continue to be one. He'll be a 40 point man again.

Kuato would like to see Giroux and Zherdev in the 60-70 point range and would be pleased if JVR ended with around 55.
Richard's numbers last year were a byproduct of the team around him. I counted so many times that a gimped Gagne (after he initially came back from the hip thing) and Dan ****ing Carcillo flubbed an easy goal off a Richie pass. His goals actually were the best they have ever been, too bad assists depend on other players actually scoring.

Carter and Briere's numbers were down because Hartnell was a literal rusty anchor on their other wing and ruined more offensive pressure than anyone could ever begin to quantify last season.

Again, please stop putting these ridiculous lofty expectations on 21 and 22 year olds. It usually takes multiple years before players "break out". Even Richie and Carter had 2-3 seasons of mediocrity before they started putting up PPG. Not to mention they both will likely be on a 3rd line with a scrub like last season. Also, 50% of most player's points come from the PP, which JVR may not see again this year.

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08-06-2010, 01:17 PM
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Richards and Carter need to get back into the 70-80 points range. Their offensive output was unacceptable last year.

Personally, Kuato does not think Briere will ever score 70+ points again. If he was a consistent 60 point man, Kuato would be happy. Same for Leino.

Hartnell is a bum and will continue to be one. He'll be a 40 point man again.

Kuato would like to see Giroux and Zherdev in the 60-70 point range and would be pleased if JVR ended with around 55.
Wow, rookie poster referring to itself in the third person. Buh bye.

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08-06-2010, 01:29 PM
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Wow, rookie poster referring to itself in the third person. Buh bye.
Itself? Excuse you "sir" (and Kuato does mean that loosely).

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08-06-2010, 01:31 PM
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Richard's numbers last year were a byproduct of the team around him. I counted so many times that a gimped Gagne (after he initially came back from the hip thing) and Dan ****ing Carcillo flubbed an easy goal off a Richie pass. His goals actually were the best they have ever been, too bad assists depend on other players actually scoring.

Carter and Briere's numbers were down because Hartnell was a literal rusty anchor on their other wing and ruined more offensive pressure than anyone could ever begin to quantify last season.

Again, please stop putting these ridiculous lofty expectations on 21 and 22 year olds. It usually takes multiple years before players "break out". Even Richie and Carter had 2-3 seasons of mediocrity before they started putting up PPG. Not to mention they both will likely be on a 3rd line with a scrub like last season. Also, 50% of most player's points come from the PP, which JVR may not see again this year.
The team's offense was poor last season. Richards, Carter, Briere and some of the other big names are no different. They will not be excused from criticism. And to be honest, Richards and Carter struggle because Richards and Carter (at times in the past) don't always play so hard.

Ridiculous expectations on who? Pardon me sir, but which of these players has Kuato set unrealistic expectations for? It seems you are simply making excuses for certain players to fail before they even do.


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08-06-2010, 01:47 PM
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My predictions:

Richards - 32 goals, 69 assists, 101 points
Carter - 52 goals, 48 assists, 100 points
Briere - 37 goals, 55 assists, 92 points
Zherdev - 40 goals, 38 assists, 78 points
Giroux - 28 goals, 41 assists, 69 points
Hartnell - 34 goals, 29 assists, 63 points
JVR - 30 goals, 25 assists, 55 points
Leino - 22 goals, 28 assists, 50 points

275 goals from the above eight shouldn't be out of the norm. This is probably the deepest team that Laviolette has ever coached and I can see him really running everyone. Giroux is at the point in his game now where he's ready to take the next step and year three is usually when most players do it. I can see Giroux becoming the next 70 point forward on this team.

As for the defense:

Pronger - 10 goals, 45 assists, 55 points
Timonen - 7 goals, 40 assists, 47 points
Meszaros - 11 goals, 29 assists, 40 points
Carle - 8 goals, 27 assists, 35 points
Coburn - 4 goals, 15 assists, 19 points.

Once again, I know my totals are a little lofty. The 8 players and the 5 defensemen here would combine for a total of 315 goals (not that I think it isn't possible if they are all playing their best at all times). I've got to believe that the sting of losing in the finals is going to be something that's going to reverberate with everyone and I think everyone on this team is going to be driven to succeed and for that very reason, I see career numbers all across the board. I'm also sure that Laviolette is licking his chops just waiting for training camp to start so he can get a chance to really put his system into place. I'm expecting that this team finish at or very near the top of the conference and more important, I expect them to crush everyone in their division (or at the very least, go in with the mindset that they can be the dominant team in their division and conference). I don't want to hear this team think they can be good, they need to bring an attitude of "yes, we're not just good, we're very damned good."


Richards and Carter, on 2 DIFFERENT LINES each hitting points nearly 15-20 points higher then their career highs?

Whatever your on, please send me some.

I see it like this. You completely ignored career highs, potential for injuries and stretch runs where the offense is not clicking.

Richards - 82 points in less then 82 games
Carter - 80 points
Zherdev - 61 points
Giroux - 54 points
Briere - 50 points in roughly 65-70 games
JVR - 47 points
Hartnell - 45 points
Leino - 38 points in 60 games

Pronger - 52 points
Timonen - 38 points
Carle - 36 points
Coburn - 27 points
Meszaros - 24 points

I think this is more then optimistic.


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08-09-2010, 09:28 AM
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The team's offense was poor last season. Richards, Carter, Briere and some of the other big names are no different. They will not be excused from criticism. And to be honest, Richards and Carter struggle because Richards and Carter (at times in the past) don't always play so hard.

Ridiculous expectations on who? Pardon me sir, but which of these players has Kuato set unrealistic expectations for? It seems you are simply making excuses for certain players to fail before they even do.
Wow, Richards doesn't play hard, you must watch Total Recall with the Flyers in PIP whenever they play.

Richards had his highest goal total of his career last year, his assists were what was down (by almost 20), what is so difficult about understanding that assists are a byproduct of linemates? He had a gimped Gagne for 2/3rds of the season and a 3rd-4th line agitator for 1/2 the season.

As far as JVR and Giroux go, Giroux should put up 50-60 points if he gets consistent PP time, but JVR will likely get another 30-40 points this year. I ask you to temper you expectations for various reasons:

1) A very large chunk of a player's production comes from the PP, JVR will likely not see much PP time again this year.

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JVR had 35 points, 28 ES and 7 PP

Carter had 61 points, 49 ES and 22 PP

If JVR had 22 PP he would have had 50 points, putting him 5th on the team in scoring last year and having us all anoint him as the next "Great One".

2) Philadelphia =/= Pitt, Fla, Edm, NYI, etc.

When a good young player comes to an organization in rebuild mode he gets put on the 2nd or even 1st line and is given tons of ice time, ES and PP. When a good young player comes to an organization predicted preseason to win the cup he gets put on the 3rd line and gets little ice time to ease him in.

3) Linemates are huge

I fully expect JVR and Roo to get paired with a grinder again this year to destroy their assist totals, let's just pray it isn't Shelley.

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08-09-2010, 11:44 AM
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Mike Richards - 31 Goals, 67 Assists, 98 points
Jeff Carter - 44 Goals, 45 Assists, 89 points
Claude Giroux - 24 Goals, 52 Assists, 76 points
Nikolai Zherdev - 27 Goals, 22 Assists, 49 points
James Van Riemsdyk - 19 Goals, 30 Assists, 49 points
Scott Hartnell - 28 Goals, 30 Assists, 58 Points
Daniel Briere - 32 Goals, 48 assists, 80 points
Ville Leino - 21 Goals, 42 Assists, 63 points
Daniel Carcillo - 12 Goals, 18 Assists, 30 points
Darroll Powe - 8 Goals, 14 Assists, 22 points
Jody Shelley - 1 Goal, 2 assists, 3 points, 116 Goals Against, .894 SVPG
Andreas Nodl - 2 goals, 3 assists, 5 points
Ian Lapperriere - 6 Goals, 16 assists, 22 points, 14,000 blocked shots
Blair Betts - 4 Goals, 14 assists, 18 points


Chris Pronger - 17 Goals, 52 assists, 69 Points
Kimmo TImmonen - 14 Goals, 48 assists, 62 points
Andrej Meszaros - 10 Goals, 28 assists, 38 points
Braydon Coburn - 9 Goals, 25 assists, 34 points
Matt Carle - 11 Goals, 30 assists, 41 points
Sean O'donnell - 0 Goals, 2 assists, 2 points
Matt Walker, 1 Goal, 4 assists, 5 points
Oskars Bartulis, 4 goals, 6 assists, 10 points

Michael Leighton - 55 GP, 160 GA, .898 SVPG
Brian Boucher - 25 GP, 87 GA, .855 SVPG
Johan Backlund - 2 GP, 5 GA, .875 SVPG


Dan Carcillo - 22 fights
Ian Lapperriere - 14 fights
Jody Shelley - 16 fights
Matt Walker - 4 fights
Mike Richards - 1 fight
everyone else- ?

Simon Gagne - 36 Goals, 52 assists, 88 points for TBL

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If Mike Richards gets 98 points, Quacker912 would be happy.

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08-20-2010, 12:15 AM
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On paper our offense should be amazing but we saw what happened last regular season. Ill give it a shot though.

Player Goals Assists Points
Offense   
Richards265884
Carter402969
Briere304171
Giroux264268
Zherdev322860
Hartnell273259
Leino193756
Van Riemsdyk202141
Carcillo131730
Powe8412
Betts5712
Laperriere257
Shelley426
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Defense   
Pronger115667
Timonen53742
Carle52934
Meszaros92231
Coburn41620
O'Donnell279
Walker178


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Itself? Excuse you "sir" (and Kuato does mean that loosely).
And"Kuato" is mental

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I can see giroux getting 75 points this year on the wing with richards and zherdev

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Soda Popinski would be most pleased with a .920 from Leighton so people **** already.

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Since our roster is pretty much set, I thought I'd reopen this:

This is our most recent practice roster (with Pronger filled in because he should be back soon while Lappy remains out indefinitely).

Hartnell (28-21-49) - Briere (34-29-63) - Leino (18-23-41)

Carcillo (12-14-24) - Richards (32-51-83) - Carter (41-34-75)

vanRiemsdyk (24-20-44) - Giroux (19-45-64) - Zherdev (30-27-57)

Powe (5-3-8) - Betts (3-2-5) - Shelley (1-2-3)


Pronger (14-44-58) - Carle (5-27-32)

Timonen (4-37-41) - Coburn (4-17-21)

Meszaros (9-18-27) - O'Donnell (1-7-8)

TOTAL GOALS: 284
INJURY/SLUMP WEIGHT -10%: 256
FINAL BASED ON 2009-10 GOAL TOTALS: 5th

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I want to ask you guys this, how many 20+ goal scorers will we have this coming season?

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wow, some of you guys are delusional. multiple 100 point players? not a single minus player? lolz

my bet is that richards comes no where close to 100 points and that carter would reach it before richards ever would.

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Blair Betts: 50 goals, 50 assists
Danny Briere: 50 goals, 50 assists
Dan Carcillo: 50 goals, 50 assists
Jeff Carter: 50 goals, 50 assists
Claude Giroux: 50 goals, 50 assists
Scott Hartnell: 50 goals, 50 assists
Ian Laperriere: 50 goals, 50 assists
Ville Leino: 50 goals, 50 assists
Darroll Powe: 50 goals, 50 assists
Mike Richards: 50 goals, 50 assists
Jody Shelley: 50 goals, 50 assists
Nikolai Zherdev: 50 goals, 50 assists
James van Riemsdyk: 50 goals, 50 assists

Forward goal total: 650

Oskars Bartulis: 50 goals, 50 assists
Matt Carle: 50 goals, 50 assists
Braydon Coburn: 50 goals, 50 assists
Andrej Meszaros: 50 goals, 50 assists
Sean O'Donnell: 50 goals, 50 assists
Chris Pronger: 50 goals, 50 assists
Kimmo Timonen: 50 goals, 50 assists
Matt Walker: 50 goals, 50 assists

Defense goal total: 400

Brian Boucher: 50 goals, 50 assists
Sergei Bobrovsky: 50 goals, 50 assists

Defense goal total: 100

Team total: 1150

This is realistically of course, not coming out of my ass.

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(everyone): 50 goals, 50 assists...

This is realistically of course, not coming out of my ass.
I could see that happening, if they were to bring this game back:


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Nodle breaks out and scores 12 goals
Shelley will also double his career best season.

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Since our roster is pretty much set, I thought I'd reopen this:

This is our most recent practice roster (with Pronger filled in because he should be back soon while Lappy remains out indefinitely).

Hartnell (28-21-49) - Briere (34-29-63) - Leino (18-23-41)

Carcillo (12-14-24) - Richards (32-51-83) - Carter (41-34-75)

vanRiemsdyk (24-20-44) - Giroux (19-45-64) - Zherdev (30-27-57)

Powe (5-3-8) - Betts (3-2-5) - Shelley (1-2-3)


Pronger (9-41-50) - Carle (5-27-32)

Timonen (4-37-41) - Coburn (4-17-21)

Meszaros (9-18-27) - O'Donnell (1-7-8)

TOTAL GOALS: 278
INJURY/SLUMP WEIGHT -10%: 250ish
FINAL BASED ON 2009-10 GOAL TOTALS: 5th
This. I don't think pronger is going to have as many goals as you think

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I could see that happening, if they were to bring this game back:

It's ashame they got rid of the realism that was brought forth from that hockey simulation. Now on NHL11 and the 2K games, it's like the actually do pull it out their ass!

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I expect Richards and Carter will put up their usual points. I'm expecting around 30 goals and 55 points from Hartnell. Briere isn't a very big regular season performer anymore so I'm not expecting anything impressive with him.
These are pretty realistic: Carter(35-30-65pts), Richards(28-35-63pts), but Hartnell I would drop him a little bit, maybe more like 23-20-43pts.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see Carle and Meszaros get around 60 to 65 points combined, but that might be a bit optimistic.
Meszaros is going to be a huge risk here, he has not shown anything more than what he did over the last couple seasons. If this is the case I would expect him to max out at 5 goals, 15 assists, but Carle I could see having a big assist season...6-33-39, which is just a slight increase over last season. So your numbers do work out but I have a feeling we are going to be cursing Meszaros for much of the season.

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Pronger should do about just as well as he did last year.
Not even concerned about what we get from him, he could score 10pts and just keep the dressing room in order and I would be content.

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I'm expecting JVR to have a much better season points-wise now that Gagne is out. I don't think Giroux is ever going to put up big numbers until we stop bouncing him back-and-forth between center and wing.
This is going to be the big question going forward, will Giroux and JvR take it to the next level? For this team to be good with three lines they will need to take over at some point during the season for a stretch. JvR I would be happy if he hit the 45pt range(20-25-45) and raised his physical game.

Giroux, I want to compete with Carter and Richards for leader on the team, if he and Zherdev get some chemistry it could be a long season for opposing defenses and goalies......Giroux with prime PP minutes(24-40-64) and Zherdev(26-24-50pts).....but at some point on the balance of the team you cannot have Giroux and Zherdev scoring 30 goals apiece and then expect Briere-Leino-Hartnell to put up big numbers too, there has to be a give somewhere. One thing is for certain, Giroux needs to be at center, period

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I think Zherdev may very well lead the team in points this season.

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