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08-08-2010, 06:34 AM
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So how about Bieksa for Couture + a conditional 2nd (conditional on Bieksa re-signing)?

Deffinitly improves SJ and Vancouver for the upcoming season.
young future 2nd line center>>>fringe 2nd pair dman w/injury issues.

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white+7th rounder for bieksa

^there's his value. Surely he's not better than ehrhoff? Plus you guys are in a similar cap situation as we were-with the added advantage of actually having D depth, you'd love to just dump him.

As for this thread in general, the whole edler for couture thing just isn't happening if you hadn't noticed. Canucks aren't exactly in need of another young center, although raymond does suck. Certainly they aren't desperate enough to trade away their young talented future #1 dman.

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08-08-2010, 06:45 AM
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young future 2nd line center>>>fringe 2nd pair dman w/injury issues.

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white+7th rounder for bieksa

^there's his value. Surely he's not better than ehrhoff? Plus you guys are in a similar cap situation as we were-with the added advantage of actually having D depth, you'd love to just dump him.

As for this thread in general, the whole edler for couture thing just isn't happening if you hadn't noticed. Canucks aren't exactly in need of another young center, although raymond does suck. Certainly they aren't desperate enough to trade away their young talented future #1 dman.
Except unlike the Sharks, if we're dumping a d-man for scraps, we'll be sure to send him to the east so he doesn't burn us in the future.



And how does Raymond suck? He scored 25 goals, is only 24 years old and plays the penalty kill on top of being one of the fastest players in the league and he's on a reasonable contract.

High standards much?

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08-08-2010, 08:12 AM
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So how about Bieksa for Couture + a conditional 2nd (conditional on Bieksa re-signing)?

Deffinitly improves SJ and Vancouver for the upcoming season.


You obviously havent seen Couture play he si a great speedy forward who can playmake and score.He is 6'1''.So a young prospect who hasent reached his full potential for and injury prone D who already reached his potential??

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08-08-2010, 08:55 AM
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Don't generalize. Most sharks fans dont even post in deals in here. The ones that do are either 'new' (Jpavs) or uhm, over enthusiastic.

Jpavs deal does not take into account Vancouvers needs, or lack there of to move Edler.

The other deal is just silly, and as usual, involves way too many players.
Perhaps I didn't express that like I mean to. I wasn't trying to say, "Oh those Sharks fans..." I meant that I looked at the proposal between Van and SJ and that by the players involved that it was a Sharks fan who posted it rather than a Canucks fan.

I think that's a real good way to judge the fairness of the trade as a 3rd party. Look at the offer and try to pick which team the OP is a fan of. Not a shot at Sharks fans or even this specific one.

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08-08-2010, 09:20 AM
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I love how every player on every Canadian team is untouchable ... awesome

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If this deal happens, goodbye Cody Hodgson.

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08-08-2010, 10:28 AM
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young future 2nd line center>>>fringe 2nd pair dman w/injury issues.

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white+7th rounder for bieksa

^there's his value. Surely he's not better than ehrhoff? Plus you guys are in a similar cap situation as we were-with the added advantage of actually having D depth, you'd love to just dump him.

As for this thread in general, the whole edler for couture thing just isn't happening if you hadn't noticed. Canucks aren't exactly in need of another young center, although raymond does suck. Certainly they aren't desperate enough to trade away their young talented future #1 dman.
There is one big difference between the SJ situation last year and the Vancouver situation this year. Last year SJ was hell bent on getting Dany Heatley and had to move salary to make the trade work for them. Vancouver already has a full roster, no need to make a move out of desperation.

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08-08-2010, 11:09 AM
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Canucks don't need another top 6 player that is a center as they have enough depth at center with Sedin, Kesler, Malholtra, Hodgson.
I could see a soft deal for Beiska though.

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08-08-2010, 11:26 AM
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no, Edler is untouchable, unless its for a substantial upgrade on him, which wont happen. If he gets some consistency he could very well contend for the norris one day, not someone we want to trade.
Edler...Norris?

He's a good dman but you just look like a homer with that post. Just look at the western conference dmen with Doughty/Keith/Weber/Jbo/Burns/Yandle etc.

I would say that the chances of Edler ever becoming a Norris contender one day are slim to none.

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08-08-2010, 11:31 AM
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You obviously havent seen Couture play he si a great speedy forward who can playmake and score.He is 6'1''.So a young prospect who hasent reached his full potential for and injury prone D who already reached his potential??
Couture is average or slow, he is by no means speedy. His skating is his biggest issue.

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08-08-2010, 11:33 AM
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I love how every player on every Canadian team is untouchable ... awesome
I love that you think a contending team should trade it's best defenceman for picks and prospects. Awesome.


Canadian fans are stupid because Canuck fans aren't willing to create a huge hole in their team to help a conference rival.

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08-08-2010, 11:34 AM
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There is one big difference between the SJ situation last year and the Vancouver situation this year. Last year SJ was hell bent on getting Dany Heatley and had to move salary to make the trade work for them. Vancouver already has a full roster, no need to make a move out of desperation.
Dany Heatley didn't have anything to do with Ehrhoff, it was signing Rob Blake that lead to the trade.

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08-08-2010, 11:48 AM
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I love how every player on every Canadian team is untouchable ... awesome
I love how people don't know the difference between untouchable and getting something you need in return for an asset.

There isn't a player on the Canucks I wouldn't trade in a second to improve our team... but why would you consider dealing a player that addresses a current need for returns that don't?

Is that really so hard for some fans to understand?

I'd deal Edler in a second for a return that address a bigger need then one that Edler fills now. Couture doesn't do that at all - he give a team that already has a solid 3rd line center and 2 quality top-6 center prospects in the pipeline yet another player to fill the same role. Edler isn't untouchable - he's just not available for assets that don't address any team needs.

Give me a right handed version of Edler, and he's yours. Otherwise he's going to fill a bigger need than anything we're going to get in return for him.

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So how about Bieksa for Couture + a conditional 2nd (conditional on Bieksa re-signing)?

Deffinitly improves SJ and Vancouver for the upcoming season.
Not a chance.

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Vancouver has no desire for Couture, I believe there brass feel Hodgson and Schroeder have more upside.

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SJ is never getting Edler, for numerous points made already..so......./thread.

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The only players leaving Vancouver are Bieksa, Alberts/O'Brien (if they re-sign Mitchell), and Hordichuk.

All they need to do is free up cap space, not trade away a very good young d-man.

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I'd trade Edler if San Jose gives us their 1st round picks for 100 years (this extends to any team in San Jose, and any future franchises linked with the San Jose Sharks in case of relocation).

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I can't see the Nucks trading with the Sharks... or the Hawks... or LA.

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You obviously havent seen Couture play he si a great speedy forward who can playmake and score.He is 6'1''.So a young prospect who hasent reached his full potential for and injury prone D who already reached his potential??
Right. If Logan is so good, make him your 2nd line centre and trade Pavelski for a top 4 dman.

Right now Couture is a 3rd liner who hasn't had the greatest development curve (not saying bust but deffinitly wouldn't go top 10 if the draft was held again today).

Where would Bieksa fit on your teams depth chart on D?

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Edler...Norris?

He's a good dman but you just look like a homer with that post. Just look at the western conference dmen with Doughty/Keith/Weber/Jbo/Burns/Yandle etc.

I would say that the chances of Edler ever becoming a Norris contender one day are slim to none.
Edler is equal to, if not already better than Yandle, so I have no idea what you're talking about. Neither of those two, and in my opinion, Burns, are in the same class as the rest of those you've listed.

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The overall point for the OP is that a smart person first figures out their own teams needs and what is the max they will be willing to give for it, and then you have to find a team that has a need for the assets you can give while fitting into their org's plan(Cup run, Contender, Rebuild, Internal Cap etc)

And on top of that you have to both teams cap situations into account. Then and only then should any of us think about posting.


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Granted VAN's C position is pretty much solidified and hence is the most recurring counter-argument. But few are taking into consideration that Couture can play the wing if necessary.

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Even playing wing, Couture doesn't really fit the mold of what we are looking for. He is talented for sure, but we've had alot of players with his kind of skill set and/or mentality masquerading around in our bottom six (Wellwood, Bernier, Pyatt, Samuelsson, Demitra, etc.) and it hasn't worked out well. Out top six is pretty well set, and with guys like Hodgson and maybe Schroeder or Shirokov pushing for a position who may end up in our bottom six anyway, I don't see why we need Couture at the wing or down the middle.

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Granted VAN's C position is pretty much solidified and hence is the most recurring counter-argument. But few are taking into consideration that Couture can play the wing if necessary.
it doesn't matter at all when considering a trade for Edler... there are a lot more reasons than just Couture being a center why this makes no sense for the Canucks.

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