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08-08-2010, 06:38 PM
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LA-Tor (Kaberle of course)

I feel this is more realistic compared to other Kaby deals but what do u guys think:

To L.A:

Tomas Kaberle

To Toronto:

Oscar Moller
Colton Teubert
Justin Williams

Maybe a few minor tweaks needed..not sure. Thoughts?

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08-08-2010, 06:46 PM
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I feel this is more realistic compared to other Kaby deals but what do u guys think:

To L.A:

Tomas Kaberle

To Toronto:

Oscar Moller
Colton Teubert
Justin Williams

Maybe a few minor tweaks needed..not sure. Thoughts?
Realistic? Leaf's have 48 contracts and Hanson to sign - it's an impossible deal to make.

Plus you do know Teubert spent time in the ECHL last year.

Overall it's a terrible deal for the Leafs and I doubt they would have any interest in Moller or Williams - not that they aren't fine players - just they already have plenty of the same small borderline top 6 guys.

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The Kings had to trade POS and a 2nd rounder for Willy.

Teubert we picked before Myers and Moller is Moller.

I would say bad management if the Kings traded this bunch for one year of Kaberle.


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Plus you do know Teubert spent time in the ECHL last year.
Yes and ? This is one of the weirdest things I have read on this board lately.

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apperently no help NOW is needed anymore.... oh and ya, we REALLY need more d prospects....

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The Kings had to trade POS and a 2nd rounder for Willy.

Teubert we picked before Myers and Moller is Moller.

I would say bad management if the Kings traded this bunch for one year of Kaberle.
Apparently, POS is available again.

Teubert is making appearances in the ECHL (should've grabbed Myers there)

And the 5'11" 180 pound Moller got 7 points in 34 NHL games last year.

Starting to look like a whole pile of nothing there...

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I don't think the Kings give up Colten Teubert, but that is neither here nor there. Kaberle's value is diminished somewhat by his aversion to signing with a West Coast team.

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Apparently, POS is available again.

Teubert is making appearances in the ECHL (should've grabbed Myers there)

And the 5'11" 180 pound Moller got 7 points in 34 NHL games last year.

Starting to look like a whole pile of nothing there...
Keep thinking you will get the jackpot for Kaberle.

The Kings will gladly keep that whole pile of nothing.

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Yes and ? This is one of the weirdest things I have read on this board lately.
Since others in the same draft class, not to far removed from the Teubert pick, went straight to the NHL, how is that weird? It's a reflection of his progress. And if you read the DL quote he stated that was the right place for Teubert and he may spend some more time there. Which, if I'm a team considering this kid as an option I'd have to question his progress since he was drafted.

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Lol if you think this is a bad deal for the Leafs.

Moller and Tuebert still have potential, and Williams is a young top 6 forward.

Kings get screwed.

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Since others in the same draft class, not to far removed from the Teubert pick, went straight to the NHL, how is that weird? It's a reflection of his progress. And if you read the DL quote he stated that was the right place for Teubert and he may spend some more time there. Which, if I'm a team considering this kid as an option I'd have to question his progress since he was drafted.
We are getting spoiled. When a prospect doesnt make it immediately to the NHL, than it must be a bust. Now I'm not the biggest Teubert fan either but I wouldnt call him a bust just yet after being drafted in 2008!? and the fact there was no room on the Monarchs roster for him.

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08-08-2010, 06:58 PM
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Lol if you think this is a bad deal for the Leafs.

Moller and Tuebert still have potential, and Williams is a young top 6 forward.

Kings get screwed.
30 - the new 20!

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30 - the new 20!
****, I was thinking of Simmonds. Now this trade makes a little more sense, but I still don't think the Kings do it.

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We are getting spoiled. When a prospect doesnt make it immediately to the NHL, than it must be a bust. Now I'm not the biggest Teubert fan either but I wouldnt call him a bust just yet after being drafted in 2008!? and the fact there was no room on the Monarchs roster for him.
Not a bust, a concern. One must be concerned when there first round pick goes to the ECHL. Very few players that ever play in the NHL journey from the 1st round to the ECHL.

Honestly, I wondered what was going on there, DL sending him to the minors.

And while they may turn out to be fine players, the concern is there, enough to warrant Burke from shying away. Burke has said he wants some help now.

With Willy's injury concerns, it's just not a good fit for the Leafs. I'm sure they want someone more established.

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God, do you think you're going to get more for a 32 year old rental? This is a fine deal for them.
Would he be worth more if he was a 30 year old rental? A twenty seven year old rental? What's your point?

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****, I was thinking of Simmonds. Now this trade makes a little more sense, but I still don't think the Kings do it.
Simmonds I think the Leafs jump on it - even without some of the other parts. Regardless if Simmonds ever makes his way to the top line - he's proven - and young enough to play with your core for a long time. But that's why DL probably doesn't want to part with a 10 year player for a 1 year player.

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Would he be worth more if he was a 30 year old rental? A twenty seven year old rental? What's your point?
In a word, yes.

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Here is a better and more perfect than any other proposal for TK and one that the ENTIRE league would LOVE.

TK

to the Leafs.

for

TK.

This has everything that everyone would want.


The Leafs get the greatest defenceman to ever where the storied blue and white and also a veteran who can show the young D how to play amazing hockey at both ends of the ice.

But, The Leafs get in return one year of TK who everyone knows is likely the most loyal player who has ever laced up and will of course sign a multi year extension with them just because he is such a loyal loyal loyal guy.

It's a pretty high price to pay but in the end, how do the Leafs allow themselves to miss out on TK?


Please, really, please stop these horrible proposals.

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[QUOTE=Frolov 6'3;27293332]Keep thinking you will get the jackpot for Kaberle.

I'd wish I had more time to run down a list of players who, in the final year of their contracts, have been traded and what assets their teams received for them. EVERYBODY seems to think that because Kabby is set to become an unrestricted free-agent at seasons end he is some how worthless.

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Not a bust, a concern. One must be concerned when there first round pick goes to the ECHL. Very few players that ever play in the NHL journey from the 1st round to the ECHL.

Honestly, I wondered what was going on there, DL sending him to the minors.

And while they may turn out to be fine players, the concern is there, enough to warrant Burke from shying away. Burke has said he wants some help now.

With Willy's injury concerns, it's just not a good fit for the Leafs. I'm sure they want someone more established.
There's a grey area between a whole pile of nothing and Burke wanting established players....

You should know how many established NHL players have played in the ECHL. What if Teubert just finished his junior season and went to the golf course instead ? Than we wouldnt have had this discussion, now he went to the ECHL for playoffs experience and he's suddenly a concern. I would call this a concern if he was in the ECHL and it would be 2012 now.

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In a word, yes.
Why would you care how old a rental is?

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I'd wish I had more time to run down a list of players who, in the final year of their contracts, have been traded and what assets their teams received for them. EVERYBODY seems to think that because Kabby is set to become an unrestricted free-agent at seasons end he is some how worthless.
Just for you too, there's a difference between being worthless and Teubert, Willy and Moller.

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Keep thinking you will get the jackpot for Kaberle.

I'd wish I had more time to run down a list of players who, in the final year of their contracts, have been traded and what assets their teams received for them. EVERYBODY seems to think that because Kabby is set to become an unrestricted free-agent at seasons end he is some how worthless.
pronger to philly for starters

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Why would you care how old a rental is?
Personally, I couldn't give a rip either way, but a younger player has more value than an older one, period.

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Since others in the same draft class, not to far removed from the Teubert pick, went straight to the NHL, how is that weird? It's a reflection of his progress. And if you read the DL quote he stated that was the right place for Teubert and he may spend some more time there. Which, if I'm a team considering this kid as an option I'd have to question his progress since he was drafted.
Actually, it's rare for a young defenseman to make the jump straight to the NHL. When Teubert was drafted DL said he is going to take some time to hone his defensive skills before he will be ready to play in the NHL. He is one year out of juniors and as was mentioned with the log jam at defense in the Kings organization the ECHL is not that outragious. He needs playing time and he got that with the Reign. Other than that he has had quite a bit of experience playing at the top level for Team Canada in the Juniors, so it's not like he is inexperienced.

Teubert is going to be that stay-at-home defenseman that every opposing forward is going to have to account for whenever he is on the ice. This is a very tough kid who loves contact and has no problem with busting up some unsuspecting forward entering the zone with their heads down. He did put one of his teammates in the hospital at camp. This is going to be the guy who will clear the crease in front of the goaltender.

I truly believe it would be a HUGE mistake for Lombardi to trade Teubert.

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pronger to philly for starters
Kaberle is not Pronger.

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