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IMO the only reason this Burns-Kaberle thing isn't laughable is because of Burn's recent injury string. Kaberle is 32! Burns is 25. They have fairly equal skills in my opinion, so why would we give up the younger Burns who's signed longer and to a better contract? Burns has been stated to be one of our building blocks for the next few years, he's not moving unless its overpayment...and none of these deals are close so far.
It was an interesting idea brought up by someone else, how would Minnesota fans feel about Grabovski + Caputi for PMB and maybe a late pick? I think PMB has better upside that Grabo, but is a serious question mark at this point injury-wise. Would Wild fans consider something around a Grabo - PMB trade?
Burns is younger, cheaper, signed longer and is better defensively. Kaberle is better offensively. Minnesota has Zidlicky and Barker already as offensive defense-men. This doesn't make the Wild better, now or in the future.
Brunette, Burns and 3rd in 2011 for Kaberle, Beauchemin, Jerome Flaake and Kenny Ryan
Can't tell if you're serious...
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Originally Posted by Wildlife
IMO the only reason this Burns-Kaberle thing isn't laughable is because of Burn's recent injury string. Kaberle is 32! Burns is 25.
What injury string? He had one concussion...possibly two...but I think it's one just never cleared up until recently and it might not have even been a concussion.
Burns had some rust, shook it off and should be good to go.
Burns is younger, cheaper, signed longer and is better defensively. Kaberle is better offensively. Minnesota has Zidlicky and Barker already as offensive defense-men. This doesn't make the Wild better, now or in the future.
The bolded is what I dont agree with.
This trade trades short term forward depth in exchange with major defensive depth and skill.
They trade a good young defenseman and a 36 year old ufa left winger for a 32 year old top2 defenseman with great offensive skills, a top4 defenseman with grit, and a probable 2nd line winger. Caputi isnt just some player, he was worth a top6 winger in poni and was well respected on the pits organization. He replaced brunette this year, or you can bring in someone like torres or stempniak or something to fill that hole having stocked up on defense.
Toronto is giving up alot of skill and talent here, and all we are really getting back is burns. Brunette is a great tieover till next year.
This trade trades short term forward depth in exchange with major defensive depth and skill.
They trade a good young defenseman and a 36 year old ufa left winger for a 32 year old top2 defenseman with great offensive skills, a top4 defenseman with grit, and a probable 2nd line winger. Caputi isnt just some player, he was worth a top6 winger in poni and was well respected on the pits organization. He replaced brunette this year, or you can bring in someone like torres or stempniak or something to fill that hole having stocked up on defense.
Toronto is giving up alot of skill and talent here, and all we are really getting back is burns. Brunette is a great tieover till next year.
Kaberles Value To People with a clue l----l
Kaberles Value to leafs fans l----------------------------------l
Dude Kaberle's value is alot more then what non-leafs fans think.
He is a good puck moving D that is at least a top 3 D on any team!!
I hate when people like you just say he aint worth alot!!
Dude Kaberle's value is alot more then what non-leafs fans think.
He is a good puck moving D that is at least a top 3 D on any team!!
I hate when people like you just say he aint worth alot!!
I actually think he's a top pairing D on most if not every team.
Kaberle's value to people with a clue: l----------------l
Kaberle's value to Leafs fans: l----------------------------------l
Kaberle's value to people with an irrational hatred towards the Leafs/people who are sick of hearing about Kaberle being traded: l---l
Dude Kaberle's value is alot more then what non-leafs fans think.
He is a good puck moving D that is at least a top 3 D on any team!!
I hate when people like you just say he aint worth alot!!
Kaberles value is what a team will trade for him. Everything else is theoretical. There is no shame in over valuing you're players, but just because he is valuable to your team doesn't mean he has anywhere near the value to another team. Burrows is valuable to Vancouver, but does he have the same value in terms of assets to other teams? Lord no. To non-Canuck fans they see him as a simple, 1 dimension aggetator and a product of the Sedins (not true at all, but this is a different thread). Same with, say, Burns. While he may not fetch what Minnesota fans would expect for him, they are not shopping him, or proposing he is traded for an unreasonable sum. They would rather keep him because his on ice value far exceeds what other teams will pay for him.
Just because Kaberle has value to the Leafs, being the only PMD/offensive player on the back end, and being the longest standing Dman and 2nd highest scoring in Leafs history, and he put up 60 points one season, and invented the internet, and ended world famine doesnt mean he has that value to a team with multiple PMDs of similar skill. Kaberle is not as valuable to the Wild, or Ducks, or Flyers, as he is to the Leafs, and therefore the Wild will not trade for a slight upgrade at the expense of youth, cap space, loyalty (Kaberle will likely not resign) or indeed anything short of a massive blind robbery of Toronto to acquire his services.
It's not a matter of "Kaberle has no value to anyone" but a matter of he is more valuable to the Leafs then other teams, and therefore should not be traded if Toronto doesn't want another teams approximation of his value coming back.
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If someone posted the Phaneuf trade weeks before it happen, this is the same response they would've gotten
All that really tells me is that Darryl Sutter shouldn't be an NHL GM and just because Burkie took advantage of the Flames he's not likely to hit that same lottery again.
This trade trades short term forward depth in exchange with major defensive depth and skill.
They trade a good young defenseman and a 36 year old ufa left winger for a 32 year old top2 defenseman with great offensive skills, a top4 defenseman with grit, and a probable 2nd line winger. Caputi isnt just some player, he was worth a top6 winger in poni and was well respected on the pits organization. He replaced brunette this year, or you can bring in someone like torres or stempniak or something to fill that hole having stocked up on defense.
Toronto is giving up alot of skill and talent here, and all we are really getting back is burns. Brunette is a great tieover till next year.
The problem with your line of thinking is that Burns (before his injury issues) was well on his way to being a top pairing defenseman who not only adds offensive production but is a physical force. Kaberle adds offense but is not a physical force on defense.
Sorry, but because Burns is beginning to return to 2007-08 form he is more valuable to the Wild and I still believe he will put up comparable offensive numbers to Kaberle. I'm comfortable predicting Burns should be good for 12-15 goals and 35-40 assists next season.
I don't know if the value is fair, but here is my proposal:
To Minnesota:
Tomas Kaberle + Mikhail Grabovski + Robert Slaney
To Toronto:
Guillaume Latendresse + Pierre-Marc Bouchard + James Sheppard
IF Bouchard was cleared... and healthy, i'd be stoked with this deal... but i think kabs and grabo would be enough... stefanovich could be thrown in i suppose.
Kaberles value is what a team will trade for him. Everything else is theoretical. There is no shame in over valuing you're players, but just because he is valuable to your team doesn't mean he has anywhere near the value to another team. Burrows is valuable to Vancouver, but does he have the same value in terms of assets to other teams? Lord no. To non-Canuck fans they see him as a simple, 1 dimension aggetator and a product of the Sedins (not true at all, but this is a different thread). Same with, say, Burns. While he may not fetch what Minnesota fans would expect for him, they are not shopping him, or proposing he is traded for an unreasonable sum. They would rather keep him because his on ice value far exceeds what other teams will pay for him.
Just because Kaberle has value to the Leafs, being the only PMD/offensive player on the back end, and being the longest standing Dman and 2nd highest scoring in Leafs history, and he put up 60 points one season, and invented the internet, and ended world famine doesnt mean he has that value to a team with multiple PMDs of similar skill. Kaberle is not as valuable to the Wild, or Ducks, or Flyers, as he is to the Leafs, and therefore the Wild will not trade for a slight upgrade at the expense of youth, cap space, loyalty (Kaberle will likely not resign) or indeed anything short of a massive blind robbery of Toronto to acquire his services.
It's not a matter of "Kaberle has no value to anyone" but a matter of he is more valuable to the Leafs then other teams, and therefore should not be traded if Toronto doesn't want another teams approximation of his value coming back.
Bravo North West Division foe. Nice to see that someone outside of fellow Wild fans has some sort of grasp of the currently structured Minnesota team.
Look Toronto fans, I'm sure Kaberle's a great guy and would be a nice addition to some team. But taking a look at the make up of the Minnesota Wild it's hard to see any circumstance where Kaberle would fit on this team. Especially at the expense of a young defenseman who's shown promise. Please, stop proposing deals sending Kaberle to the Wild. It just isn't a good fit.
Kaberles value is what a team will trade for him. Everything else is theoretical. There is no shame in over valuing you're players, but just because he is valuable to your team doesn't mean he has anywhere near the value to another team. Burrows is valuable to Vancouver, but does he have the same value in terms of assets to other teams? Lord no. To non-Canuck fans they see him as a simple, 1 dimension aggetator and a product of the Sedins (not true at all, but this is a different thread). Same with, say, Burns. While he may not fetch what Minnesota fans would expect for him, they are not shopping him, or proposing he is traded for an unreasonable sum. They would rather keep him because his on ice value far exceeds what other teams will pay for him.
Just because Kaberle has value to the Leafs, being the only PMD/offensive player on the back end, and being the longest standing Dman and 2nd highest scoring in Leafs history, and he put up 60 points one season, and invented the internet, and ended world famine doesnt mean he has that value to a team with multiple PMDs of similar skill. Kaberle is not as valuable to the Wild, or Ducks, or Flyers, as he is to the Leafs, and therefore the Wild will not trade for a slight upgrade at the expense of youth, cap space, loyalty (Kaberle will likely not resign) or indeed anything short of a massive blind robbery of Toronto to acquire his services.
It's not a matter of "Kaberle has no value to anyone" but a matter of he is more valuable to the Leafs then other teams, and therefore should not be traded if Toronto doesn't want another teams approximation of his value coming back.
Well said. There will be someone who decides they want Kaberle, no doubt in my mind, but the Wild and Flyers make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
