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08-07-2010, 02:34 PM
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St.Louis-Boston

Basically, a trade in which both teams trade for needs. Boston has crying need for defensive depth, whereas St.Louis could definitily use a top 6 forward.

To Boston: D Barrett Jackman
F Vlad Tarasenko
D Nikita Nikitin
1st round Pick `11


To St.Louis: F Marc Savard
D Ryan Button
4th round pick `11

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08-07-2010, 02:39 PM
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Can't say I know anything about those prospects but it looks like Boston gets hosed

EDIT: I read St. Louis got a 1st not gave one away, also apparently Tarasenko is a good prospect so both sides say no I think


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08-07-2010, 02:51 PM
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No way st louis makes that trade. Tarasenko is going to be awesome and they are rebuilding the right way. With mcdonald, backes, berglund and oshie all able to play center, why would they add another center that they can not afford? They are undergoing ownership problems and have a very limited budget and can not afford savards 7 million salary.

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08-07-2010, 02:53 PM
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That would be a definite NO from the Blues.

Tarasenko is going to come over next year and immediately win a top 6 forward spot on the Blues roster. Plus I wouldn't give up the 1st in 11' either. Savard is a GREAT player, but his potential concussion problems moving forward lowers his value. Plus he has a high salary that the Blues couldn't afford to pay over the next three years anyway. Jackman has one more year left after this and they need his veteran presence on the blueline this year and next year. I don't think the Blues would do Jackman straight up for Savard because it would create a hole on the defense.

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I think this is a big "no" from both sides. Jackman would be somewhat redundant on the B's with Stuart and Chara in the fold.

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08-07-2010, 02:59 PM
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I like a St. Louis/Boston trade for Savard, but I don't think this is the one.

How about David Perron + 2nd Round Pick for Marc Savard?


It should be noted that Savard would probably not waive to St. Louis because he wants to be up north, but he would be a major upgrade over anyone the Blues have down the middle now.

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08-07-2010, 03:01 PM
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Disagreed savard is a big upgrade over backes at all...different playing styles and blues already have mcdonald for their playmaker role. But again it all does not matter because of savards salary.

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08-07-2010, 03:04 PM
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Hahaha Tarasenko and Jackman and a first for Savard.

Let me think....

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I don't think the Blues give up enough in this trade. Wouldn't we need to include Erik Johnson as well?

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08-07-2010, 03:22 PM
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Seven more years with a cap hit at over 4 million per for a 33 year old player coming off of an injury plagued season... I don't think St. Louis would take Savard if you offered him for free, much less the ridiculous package you ask for in the OP. Blues pass!

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08-07-2010, 03:45 PM
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Just another Blues fan passing along a "no."

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Doesn't look good.

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08-07-2010, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bretzky29ca View Post
Basically, a trade in which both teams trade for needs. Boston has crying need for defensive depth, whereas St.Louis could definitily use a top 6 forward.

To Boston: D Barrett Jackman
F Vlad Tarasenko
D Nikita Nikitin
1st round Pick `11


To St.Louis: F Marc Savard
D Ryan Button
4th round pick `11
Don't know enough about Tarasenko or Nikitin to judge value. But for needs?? No way Boston does it:

1) Boston needs a puck moving dman, not a stay at home.
2) Button is the best defensive prospect we have. Not dealing him.
3) If Boston is trading Savard, they'd want at least SOME cap relief. This move saves the B's 375k.

Work something more around Savard and Ian Cole.

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08-07-2010, 05:02 PM
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Don't know enough about Tarasenko or Nikitin to judge value. But for needs?? No way Boston does it:

1) Boston needs a puck moving dman, not a stay at home.
2) Button is the best defensive prospect we have. Not dealing him.
3) If Boston is trading Savard, they'd want at least SOME cap relief. This move saves the B's 375k.

Work something more around Savard and Ian Cole.
From what I've read, Tarasenko was a top 3 talent in this draft, and only passed over because of the Russian factor.

Would you trade Hall or Seguin for that package? Not saying he's definitely as good as those players, but it's closer to that than what the OP was thinking.

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08-07-2010, 05:06 PM
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Don't know enough about Tarasenko or Nikitin to judge value. But for needs?? No way Boston does it:

1) Boston needs a puck moving dman, not a stay at home.
2) Button is the best defensive prospect we have. Not dealing him.
3) If Boston is trading Savard, they'd want at least SOME cap relief. This move saves the B's 375k.

Work something more around Savard and Ian Cole.
We already have our Savard in Andy Mac. Granted Andy isn't as good as Savard, but there is not room on a team for more than one of that kind of player.

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Don't know enough about Tarasenko or Nikitin to judge value. But for needs?? No way Boston does it:

1) Boston needs a puck moving dman, not a stay at home.
2) Button is the best defensive prospect we have. Not dealing him.
3) If Boston is trading Savard, they'd want at least SOME cap relief. This move saves the B's 375k.

Work something more around Savard and Ian Cole.
Tarasenko was just drafted by the Blues this year. They traded back into the first round, giving up David Runblad, to get him. Many viewed him as a top 3 pick, but he slipped due to the Russian ties. But there are rumors that he is trying to get out of his KHL contract to come to St. Louis this year, and will be in N.A in 2011-12 for sure unless something drastic happens. He will not be moved....so you can kinda forget about pursuing him.

Nikitin was a 5th rounder in '04. He is 24 now, and has been playing in the KHL for th past few years. Should be near NHL-ready now. Strong first pass....wild shot...inconsistent defensively but hopefully he can improve that in a tighter system.

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08-07-2010, 05:12 PM
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Savard would become the Blues' best player, however, the Blues can neither afford him, nor do they need a center. There is an over-abundance of playmaking forwards on this team, and losing the only sniper in the system isn't going to help the Blues in the future.

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I like a St. Louis/Boston trade for Savard, but I don't think this is the one.

How about David Perron + 2nd Round Pick for Marc Savard?


It should be noted that Savard would probably not waive to St. Louis because he wants to be up north, but he would be a major upgrade over anyone the Blues have down the middle now.
I would bite this one.

Although we have 4 guys who can play center in a top6 role, they're all very versatile and can play wing too. Savard would be an upgrande over all of them and the 80 plus pt man that we desperately need so I think this could work.


As for the op, bleh!

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08-07-2010, 05:39 PM
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Overpayment from Stl, and that's coming from a B's fan.

I don't see why St. Louis would need Savard, or want to give up Tarasenko (a great prospect) and a 1st when they are rebuilding.


Nor do I see why the Bruins give up their top D prospect.


Trade doesn't make sense for either team.

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Basically, a trade in which both teams trade for needs. Boston has crying need for defensive depth, whereas St.Louis could definitily use a top 6 forward.

To Boston: D Barrett Jackman
F Vlad Tarasenko
D Nikita Nikitin
1st round Pick `11


To St.Louis: F Marc Savard
D Ryan Button
4th round pick `11
i like jackman... love first round picks that could very realistically be top 10 ones... have absolutely no problem with the value of this offer, but Savard has a NTC and is only waiving it to go to ottawa or toronto

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Another Blues fan saying no way on multiple fronts.

1) (and really the bottom line) is that with the Blues' ownership situation they won't do a deal to take on salary anyway . I like Savard alot, and would be willing to give up talent to get him, but the timing is terrible for the real-life Blues.

2) Blues need a goal-scorer, not yet another center. I'd be willing to trade Jackman plus, but there's no way the Blues part with Tarasenko AND a first. They're pretty high on Vlad, and made a big move to get back into the draft to get him. I really don't see them including him as a piece in a trade unless its too good to be true.

3) I'll just ignore the comment about the Blues drafting in the Top 10 next year. I suppose it could happen to any team, but a lot would have to go wrong. The Blues are more realistically a 6-10 finisher in the West, barring disastrous injuries.

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3) I'll just ignore the comment about the Blues drafting in the Top 10 next year. I suppose it could happen to any team, but a lot would have to go wrong. The Blues are more realistically a 6-10 finisher in the West, barring disastrous injuries.
I agree that the Blues will probably finish at least where they did in the past season, likely higher, but 10th in the West could easily be the #10 pick in the draft.

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Basically, a trade in which both teams trade for needs. Boston has crying need for defensive depth, whereas St.Louis could definitily use a top 6 forward.

To Boston: D Barrett Jackman
F Vlad Tarasenko
D Nikita Nikitin
1st round Pick `11


To St.Louis: F Marc Savard
D Ryan Button
4th round pick `11

Not a chance...Typical HF horrible trade suggestion.

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08-08-2010, 09:45 PM
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Seven more years with a cap hit at over 4 million per for a 33 year old player coming off of an injury plagued season... I don't think St. Louis would take Savard if you offered him for free, much less the ridiculous package you ask for in the OP. Blues pass!
Savard is also one of the best playmakers/passers in the league, they would definitely trade for him at such a reasonable cap hit

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