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08-10-2010, 05:13 PM
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If you could re-do our past Offseasons...

If you could evidently go back in time to change the way each offseason has gone since 2007, what would you change?

Here's mine-

2007-sign Drury 3 million less for 4 years (4.05M)
sign Gomez 2.3 million less for 5 years (5M)

2008-sign Streit instead of Redden/5 years for 20.5 million (4.1M)
sign Rozsival for 2 million less for 4 years (3M)
sign Jagr instead of Naslund for 3 years 11.7 million (3.9M)
AVOID ZHERDEV TRADE!!! DEMOTE BACKMAN!
Do Not pick up Avery off waivers

2009-sign Orr instead of Brashear/5 years 5 million (1M)
re-sign Antropov for 2 years 7 million (3.5M)
re-sign Sjostrom/Betts instead of Brashear (800k/3 years each)
do NOT PICKUP CHRISTENSEN OFF WAIVERS!

2010-sign Staal 4 yrs 18 million (4.5m) do not sign Boogaard
do not sign Christensen and Prospal because of roster space
everything else fine

projected 2010-11 roster

Frolov (3m) Gomez (5.3m) Gaborik (7.5m)
Dubinsky (1.85m) Antropov (3.5m) Jagr (3.9m)
Drury (4.05m) Anisimov (.821k) Callahan (2.3)
Orr (1m) Betts (800k) Sjostrom (800k)

Staal (4.5m) Sreit (4.1m)
Rozsival (3m) Tyutin (1.8m)
Del Zotto (1.087m) Girardi (3.35m)

Hank (6.875m)
Biron (875k)

EDIT-*** aprox 1m in cap space
Much better roster! Show me what you would've done!


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08-10-2010, 05:16 PM
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If you could evidently go back in time to change the way each offseason has gone since 2007, what would you change?

Here's mine-

2007-sign Drury 3 million less for 4 years (5.3M)
sign Gomez 2 million less for 5 years (4.05M)

2008-sign Streit instead of Redden/5 years for 20.5 million (4.1M)
sign Rozsival for 2 million less for 4 years (3M)
sign Jagr instead of Naslund for 3 years 15 million (5M)
AVOID ZHERDEV TRADE!!! DEMOTE BACKMAN!
Do Not pick up Avery off waivers

2009-sign Orr instead of Brashear/5 years 5 million (1M)
re-sign Antropov for 2 years 8 million (4M)
re-sign Sjostrom/Betts instead of Brashear (800k/3 years each)
do NOT PICKUP CHRISTENSEN OFF WAIVERS!

2010-do not sign Boogaard
do not sign Christensen and Prospal because of roster space
everything else fine

projected 2010-11 roster

Frolov Gomez Gaborik
Dubinsky Antropov Jagr
Drury Anisimov Callahan
Orr Betts Sjostrom

Staal Sreit
Rozsival Tyutin
Del Zotto Girardi

Hank
Biron

Much better roster! Show me what you would've done!


Fire Glen Sather and make Messier GM and make Adam Graves coach. at least the rangers would be tougher

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All the FA's you listed we would not have signed for that price, they would have gone elsewhere.

Drury, Gomez, Jagr would have all got better deals than that from other teams.

What do you have against Christensen? He averaged the 4th best PPG on our team last year behind Gaborik, Prospal, and Dubinsky.

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None of that would ever happen, the UFA's wouldn't come in for the amount of money you proposed

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None of that would ever happen, the UFA's wouldn't come in for the amount of money you proposed

its just a game I know it would never happen just a pipe dream

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What do you have against Christensen? He averaged the 4th best PPG on our team last year behind Gaborik, Prospal, and Dubinsky.
Nothing against him just that him Avery, and Prospal would not fit into the roster constructed

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2007-sign Drury 3 million less for 4 years (4.05M)
Drury had other offers for more. at 4.05M a year, idk if he would have came here. However, he does talk about how playing here was his dream so who knows....


sign Gomez 2.3 million less for 5 years (5M)
I don't see this ever happening. There were other offers. Never would have came to us at that price tag.



2008-sign Streit instead of Redden/5 years for 20.5 million (4.1M)
Maybe could have happened. Who knows!


sign Rozsival for 2 million less for 4 years (3M)
You don't think they tried giving him less than 5M a year the first time around? That's how the negotiations worked out. At that point it's take it or leave it and the rnagers took it.



sign Jagr instead of Naslund for 3 years 11.7 million (3.9M)
Helllll yeah. I don't know if Jagr would sign for that amount but I was 100% on board with bringing him back lol


AVOID ZHERDEV TRADE!!! DEMOTE BACKMAN!
I liked the trade then and I like it now. I only wish we dealt with him the right way and resigned him. Light a fire under his ass. I think he is going to be a force in Philly this year


Do Not pick up Avery off waivers
Do you remember the difference in records with and without Avery in the lineup. He might not be as effective now but under Renney he was a beast



2009-sign Orr instead of Brashear/5 years 5 million (1M)
100% yes. 100000%. Well, maye not 5 years. By his 4th year he is going to be burnt out


re-sign Antropov for 2 years 7 million (3.5M)
Would he resign for that much? I remember him asking for 4m. Regardless I'll take him at 4mill


re-sign Sjostrom/Betts instead of Brashear (800k/3 years each)
I do this as well. What a PK we would have!

do NOT PICKUP CHRISTENSEN OFF WAIVERS!
But WHY!


2010-sign Staal 4 yrs 18 million (4.5m)
Sure, why not. For all care make it 8 years.

do not sign Boogaard
I like the signing but in this hypothetical we have Orr so it wouldn't make sense.

Prospal because of roster space
Your crazy. At his price tag you sign him 10 times out of 10


Frolov Gomez Gaborik
Dubinsky Antropov Jagr
Drury Anisimov Callahan
Orr Betts Sjostrom

Staal Sreit
Rozsival Tyutin
Del Zotto Girardi

Hank
Biron

Red highlights are people who certainly wouldn't be here for your price tag.

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08-10-2010, 05:33 PM
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mark messier is going to be Sather 2.0....why dont people see that?

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mark messier is going to be Sather 2.0....why dont people see that?
What do you mean? In what sense?

P.S - The only thing wrong with Sather is FA signings! Otherwise, I'm happy with him.

He ****ed up with Gomez, Drury, Redden, Rozi, Brasheer, Kotalik. That's it! lol!

And the Gomez signing is debatable because he got back a top Defensive prospect and higgs.

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2006 - Sign Savard instead of Cullen and Ward.

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2007 - Trade for Brad Richards instead of signing both Drury and Gomez.

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2007-sign Drury 3 million less for 4 years (4.05M)
Drury had other offers for more. at 4.05M a year, idk if he would have came here. However, he does talk about how playing here was his dream so who knows....


sign Gomez 2.3 million less for 5 years (5M)
I don't see this ever happening. There were other offers. Never would have came to us at that price tag.



2008-sign Streit instead of Redden/5 years for 20.5 million (4.1M)
Maybe could have happened. Who knows!


sign Rozsival for 2 million less for 4 years (3M)
You don't think they tried giving him less than 5M a year the first time around? That's how the negotiations worked out. At that point it's take it or leave it and the rnagers took it.



sign Jagr instead of Naslund for 3 years 11.7 million (3.9M)
Helllll yeah. I don't know if Jagr would sign for that amount but I was 100% on board with bringing him back lol


AVOID ZHERDEV TRADE!!! DEMOTE BACKMAN!
I liked the trade then and I like it now. I only wish we dealt with him the right way and resigned him. Light a fire under his ass. I think he is going to be a force in Philly this year


Do Not pick up Avery off waivers
Do you remember the difference in records with and without Avery in the lineup. He might not be as effective now but under Renney he was a beast



2009-sign Orr instead of Brashear/5 years 5 million (1M)
100% yes. 100000%. Well, maye not 5 years. By his 4th year he is going to be burnt out


re-sign Antropov for 2 years 7 million (3.5M)
Would he resign for that much? I remember him asking for 4m. Regardless I'll take him at 4mill


re-sign Sjostrom/Betts instead of Brashear (800k/3 years each)
I do this as well. What a PK we would have!

do NOT PICKUP CHRISTENSEN OFF WAIVERS!
But WHY!


2010-sign Staal 4 yrs 18 million (4.5m)
Sure, why not. For all care make it 8 years.

do not sign Boogaard
I like the signing but in this hypothetical we have Orr so it wouldn't make sense.

Prospal because of roster space
Your crazy. At his price tag you sign him 10 times out of 10


Frolov Gomez Gaborik
Dubinsky Antropov Jagr
Drury Anisimov Callahan
Orr Betts Sjostrom

Staal Sreit
Rozsival Tyutin
Del Zotto Girardi

Hank
Biron

Red highlights are people who certainly wouldn't be here for your price tag.
Not bringing back Prospal, Avery, and Christensen is because of limited roster space. I absolutely love all three but we wouln't have room

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what a stupid thread

Here's my off-season wishlist:

Sign Gaborik for the minimum
Sign Volchenkov, Hamhuis, and Michalek for the minimum
Re-sign Staal for 1M
Re-sign Girardi for 750k

See where it's going? Why even bother posting scenario's that you know are impossible? Hence why it's a stupid thread.

What I would have liked to see this past off-season:

Sign Lombardi @3.5M instead of Christensen and Prospal
Target Versteeg for Sanguinetti+.
Avoid Boogaard.
Promote Byers as our enforcer.

Keep **** realistic for the sake of making it worth our time, instead of posting fairy-tale roster line-ups with players signed for peanuts.

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LOL Don't sign Gomez drury or redden, keep gabs and sign the Sedin's. In lieu of the Sedin's re sign jagr for 3 years 8 per. Hit up recchi and afhinogenov for 1- 2 years Sign Orr. That's me barely putting any thought into it. Some other moves we made I say keep like Prospal
s one year. Getting Avery back...sure I'll think of more.

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Based on their current contracts (give or take 1 million, 1 year):

2007:
Briere
Rafalski
Straka

2008:
Streit
Hossa
Stuart
Auld

2009:
Gaborik
Cammalleri
Guerin

2010:
Morris
Auld (but I am happy with Biron)
Madden
Artyukin

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I'd be Jesus, cause him and God are the only ones capable.

Why look back though? I mean we all do that enough, but you can't do anything about the past.

Let's focus on 2010 and what we have and what the future is.

That's what we have control of.

How's about a what will you do thread.

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Other people have said this before, and I tend to agree, but I don't think Glen actually intended on signing both of drury and gomez, it was just a "happy" accident that it went down like that. our cap troubles started right there. so if I had a do-over it would be the following -

07
sign Nylander for what he wanted - 3 years 5 mill per. this way Jags was guranteed to be on the time thru '09
sign Gomez only, hopefully for a little less but let's assume that wasn't possible. - in this scenario, cap is still there to keep cullen as third C.

08
forget wade, sign Streit. Keep tyutin, waive backman. no naslund, bring back shanny for cheap

09
no brashear, kotalik, boyle and keep betts, orr

if this was done, I think we would've been in the ecf for sure in either 08 or 09 with a lot more cap flexibility than we do now. no boat anchors with redden/drury and nylander off the books this off season could have also given us the opportunity to go after kovy hard this summer.

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Ya, Christensen off waivers has been an enormous problem

I hate this crap. You have players signing for fewer years/less money.

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Streit signed instead of Redden is the obvious. Big Difference on D if Streit is there

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If you could evidently go back in time to change the way each offseason has gone since 2007, what would you change?

Here's mine-

2007-sign Drury 3 million less for 4 years (4.05M)
sign Gomez 2.3 million less for 5 years (5M)

2008-sign Streit instead of Redden/5 years for 20.5 million (4.1M)
sign Rozsival for 2 million less for 4 years (3M)
sign Jagr instead of Naslund for 3 years 11.7 million (3.9M)
AVOID ZHERDEV TRADE!!! DEMOTE BACKMAN!
Do Not pick up Avery off waivers

2009-sign Orr instead of Brashear/5 years 5 million (1M)
re-sign Antropov for 2 years 7 million (3.5M)
re-sign Sjostrom/Betts instead of Brashear (800k/3 years each)
do NOT PICKUP CHRISTENSEN OFF WAIVERS!

2010-sign Staal 4 yrs 18 million (4.5m) do not sign Boogaard
do not sign Christensen and Prospal because of roster space
everything else fine

projected 2010-11 roster

Frolov (3m) Gomez (5.3m) Gaborik (7.5m)
Dubinsky (1.85m) Antropov (3.5m) Jagr (3.9m)
Drury (4.05m) Anisimov (.821k) Callahan (2.3)
Orr (1m) Betts (800k) Sjostrom (800k)

Staal (4.5m) Sreit (4.1m)
Rozsival (3m) Tyutin (1.8m)
Del Zotto (1.087m) Girardi (3.35m)

Hank (6.875m)
Biron (875k)

EDIT-*** aprox 1m in cap space
Much better roster! Show me what you would've done!
Can't make players take less money. Just doesn't work that way.


With that said, I think Nylander would have been happy at 4mil on a 2 or three year deal if it was negotiated earler. Sather waited too long here. But...Nylander and Jagr had insane chemistry, the best duo of the decade for the Rangers. Should habe built your first line around them.

Isles snatched up Streit for less than what he is probably worth, and what a great move. A no brainer they should have tried to land him over Redden. I remember the board up in arms back then.

I also think Zherdev was too young and too talented to let walk in the way that he did. I know negotiations get in the way, but I think this is all part of a good GM's job. To me Slats had a guy in Nicky Zherdev who's game was condusive to Brandon Dubinsky's. Let them play together not for 15 games, but for a full season or two to gain that chemistry.

From there the defense is just flat out weak. Has been and is still today. The club is in need of a Beuk...<---I know i know Broken record here. But it is what it is. Slats tried with Orpik, but it didn't work. Maybe the right move was to deal Cally and a prospect for Phaneuf? Wouldn't stop there either. I think two players of this mold can fit on a roster. Like what Ott had last year with Volchenkov and Carkner...hell Sutton too. Mike Komisarek or maybe Francois Beauchemin could have been a good play?

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You see, its more than just an offseason or two that builds a club.

This is one of the problems Sather has had his entire tenure here. Hes got little foresight, terrible talent evaluation, undervalues his current players and his wallet is spread eagle. And these are just the major things wrong with how he operates.

When you are consistently mediocre its just not one or two fateful decisions that mar the success of a team. Its a constant domino effect with short sighted deals and decision making. Part of the problem is Dolan's headstrong demands on reaping playoff revenues, but the GM could do a lot of little things over their course of management that fly under the radar that put your team in a better position.

Every GM makes mistakes. You can live with the occasional bad contract, draft or trade. It happens to every team. But what Sather lacks is his longterm philosophy on how to build a roster and compiling chips to assist him in what he probably excels the most at - trading.

Let me give you some small examples and maybe youll understand where im coming from. Guys like Prucha and Dawes were jettisoned off because Sather had painted himself into a corner with too many RFA's and a small amount of cap space to sign them. He unloaded them and essentially devalued them by trading for two UFAs - in what at the time was a playoff run, that really didn't materialize into anything. Had he been proactive with even one of those players, he could have got a draft pick or two, (probably a third or a 2nd if you were lucky, or maybe even a half decent prospect) for either of them during the season. In turn those picks could have been used for trade bait or to move up in the draft - or simply to add another player to the team instead of losing one due to the UFAs both signing elsewhere.

Prospal could have and should have been traded last year. The Rangers could have went into the draft with 2 first rounders or two second rounders, and they could have potentially used that pick to land a center for Gaborik in exchange. Instead he gets White and Christensen - two half assed options who are yet again more question marks going into the season. And guess what - he would have resigned Prospal anyway this summer and only gained by making that move. Lets say he didnt get the center he needed by getting that top pick. - is it bad that theres another second or first round draft pick in the system?

The Rangers do too much buying and not enough selling. Again, these are just two small examples, and the circumstances will be disputed one way or another, no doubt - thats cool. But when you repetitively carry the same motivation in all of the deals, it becomes a detriment to the team longterm. Its painfully obvious that sole focus of this team under Glen Sather is to get to the playoffs and not build a winner. Despite all of the youth that is coming up from good drafting, this team could be so much better had 1/4 of the deals Sather made had and underlying motivation that differed from the status quo. Just 1/4. One small decision effects so much in regards to the future roster, just like how every small play counts on the ice. You cant keep running around and taking yourself out of position because it catches up to you.


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I can't be the only one who would go back and sign virtually no UFA's, can I?

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Nice Avy trxjw. love it.

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my advice to all of you is to let this go. what's done is done, and thinking about what could have been isn't going to change what was and what is. It's just going to make us all feel worse. put your focus to the future.

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my advice to all of you is to let this go. what's done is done, and thinking about what could have been isn't going to change what was and what is. It's just going to make us all feel worse. put your focus to the future.
I agree with this....we have a bright future.

Furthermore....when you are disregarding salary we would have an NHL 10 lineup.

Trade for heatley, sign kovy, gomez, gaborik, savard, etc.....

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Instead of Gomez and Drury I wanted Nylander and Lang...so, after that who knows what the team would be?

Still think it would've been the better option...

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