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08-10-2010, 11:24 AM
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International Football Thread

Now that the World Cup is done and dusted, internationals are in full swing again with friendlies starting tomorrow.

We'll use this thread for friendlies and other confederations outside of UEFA. For Euro 2012 discussion, please use this thread: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=798731

Ireland play Argentina tomorrow; I'm hoping for a spirited effort, but a win will be very tough. Trappatoni has fallen ill and I doubt he'll be on the touchline tomorrow.

USA/Brazil is also tonight, that'll be fun. Hope Lucas gives a good showing in his debut.


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Wow, didn't realize US/Brazil was tonight. That should be good, these two always seem to put on a good show for the fans.

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It IS tonight!
I'm having a nightmare right now man. Not enough sleep.

I'll be interested to see if Bradley experiments at all or if he's gonna go for the win. Wonder if he'll try Jozy up top alone to hold up play in a 4-5-1. If not, I'd like to see Gomez get a chance playing off of Jozy.

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I'm having a nightmare right now man. Not enough sleep.

I'll be interested to see if Bradley experiments at all or if he's gonna go for the win. Wonder if he'll try Jozy up top alone to hold up play in a 4-5-1. If not, I'd like to see Gomez get a chance playing off of Jozy.
It's a friendly, at HOME, against a bunch of kids who'll be getting their first caps. Hopefully they go for the win.

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Balotelli looking great already for Italy,gonna be some fun years coming up with some solid young players on the Italian side

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Mexico up 1-0 on Spain right now. Goal by Chicharito

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Cazorla nearly drew Spain level, but Ochoa tipped it off the bar. Damn

Not watching, but Gerrard has scored two goals within 5 minutes to put England ahead of Hungary. Jagielka scored an OG to put Hungary in front initially.

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In form and healthy Gerrard for much of the season probably means top 4.

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Yeh Gerrard scored 2 beauties. Hungary's goal didn't cross the line, Dawson recovered from a missed interception to clear of the line. Another blind linesman. Hope Blatter sees it. ****.

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Mexico up 1-0 on Spain right now. Goal by Chicharito
He's going to be a stud. Heck, he is a stud right now.

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Apparently Gerrard picked up a knock and is receiving treatment. It better not be serious...

And yeah, Chicharito is boss. I think it was Scholes who compared him as a similar type of player to Solskjaer and I think that's bang on.

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Ugh, if Mexico pulls this out, I'll have to hear for 2-3 years about how they're defacto World Champs in the local bar I go to on occasion.

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That was a scary strike by Esqueda, just didn't dip low enough. Tons of velocity on that.

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In form and healthy Gerrard is arguably a top five player in world football. Two amazing goals.

Too bad he wasn't in form for the World Cup after all those injuries.

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Gerrard wasn't in form in South Africa but it didn't help he was played completely out of position. A left midfielder he is not.

Hopefully the knock he picked up is not serious and he is ready to go this weekend.

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In form and healthy Gerrard is arguably a top five player in world football. Two amazing goals.

Too bad he wasn't in form for the World Cup after all those injuries.
Nobody has commented yet on the atrocious defending on that 2nd one?

Gerrard's not bad, but this kind of talk after a below-average season because of one good game against a crap side (no offense Hungarian posters!) is ridiculous.

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I said in form and healthy. Game and goals have no bearing on that opinion. It just brought the subject back up.

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Thanks, I had forgotten about N'Zogbia. I wonder if he is ready to choose Congo if he is still being ignored by France in 2-3 years time. Congo is already out of the WC 2010, so he can wait for now.

Personally, I don't have strong opinion on this one way or another, but as long as it is allowed to happen, it's something worth noticing about players.
Discussed this with Evilo over a year ago, and N'Zogbia finally made his French debut.
Not a great game for him, but it was about time he got picked.

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I said in form and healthy. Game and goals have no bearing on that opinion. It just brought the subject back up.
Purely for the enjoyment of the debate, here's who I would take over Gerrard (if we assume in-form and healthy).

- Messi
- Ronaldo
- Essien
- Villa
- Fabregas (getting tight)
- Xavi
- Sneijder (debatable)
- Robben (very debatable)
- Rooney
- Drogba
- Kaka (bad situation right now though)
- Pique (I really like him a lot)

And I've been wanting to point something out for a while (and I know les Habs will have a conniption ), but I think Xavi is starting to get pretty overrated.

Xavi and Fabregas are both players that MUST play a specific role in a specific system to succeed. Xavi especially is not going to shoulder defensive responsibility, in fact, outside of his (absolutely otherworldly) passing, positioning, and playmaking, Xavi is average as a player and NEEDS a specific system to succeed. One can say the same thing for Fabregas though he brings more scoring/dribbling and less of the astute playmaking. I also think both those guys need to be the heartbeat of their sides in a way that players like Zidane and Kaka didn't/don't which makes them extremely unique IMO.

In my opinion, to be considered the very, very best, you should be able to fit into a variety of systems and be somewhat versatile as a player (a huge strength for Gerrard).

Xavi and Fabregas' greatest strength is their greatest weakness as well. They're capable of singlehandedly directing a team, but if they can't do that, then they become near liabilities. A weakness btw that does not apply to Iniesta though I don't think he quite has the passing of the other 2.

I know I ranked Cesc top-5 a while ago, I'm biased, I admit it, but really, to be the best of the best, I think you have to be a bit more versatile.

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See, you might take those players over him, but I don't know that most are a ton better.



In Liverpool's side, if he is healthy and on form, he makes a ton of difference.

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See, you might take those players over him, but I don't know that most are a ton better.



In Liverpool's side, if he is healthy and on form, he makes a ton of difference.
It's definitely tight, I would personally argue that we've seen Gerrard's best and while he'll still be great, I don't know if he'll ever equal his 07-09 run when he was the best, most consistent player in the league this side of Ronaldo.

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I don't disagree that he is on the downslide of his career.

But he can show way better form than he showed last season.

If he's still in the discussion as a top 15-20 talent, then, he's more than enough to change the dynamic of the Liverpool side. From what it looks like so far (and, sure it's a small window) he seems to be there.

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It's definitely tight, I would personally argue that we've seen Gerrard's best and while he'll still be great, I don't know if he'll ever equal his 07-09 run when he was the best, most consistent player in the league this side of Ronaldo.
This remains to be seen. But it's not as if Gerrard has had two or three poor seasons. He was the best player in the league just two years ago. No question he was out of form last year (we can debate why until the cows come home). The players you listed I would say only 4 or 5 are clearly better than an in form Gerrard. The rest are very close.

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This remains to be seen. But it's not as if Gerrard has had two or three poor seasons. He was the best player in the league just two years ago. No question he was out of form last year (we can debate why until the cows come home). The players you listed I would say only 4 or 5 are clearly better than an in form Gerrard. The rest are very close.
Better than Ronaldo 2 years ago....? Come on.

And it's tough to hold up in world football once you pass 30, look at Henry who had an unbelievably good season at 28, had injury problems at 29, and has never reached those heights again.

Gerrard is 30 now, it's very, very possible that his 28 year-old season was his swansong. I hope it's not, he's one of the most dynamic midfielders ever, but it's a significant possibility. The grind of the European season now is brutal.

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