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08-13-2010, 08:58 AM
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Premium scouting : Montreal canadiens system overview

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Really in depth, but it's a lot of the things we've already heard before. Why is the rating scale from 20 to 80, that's just confusing.

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Probably the best write up on Habs prospects that I've ever read. Very astute. Having not seen these guys play a lot it's hard to critique, but the Pacioretty, Kristo and Weber write ups are BANG ON (those are the guys that I've actually seen full games of multiple times).

I disagree with the previous poster that these reports are all things we've read before. These reports are much more detailed, insightful and accurate than most generic, canned scouting reports.


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I never heard of them before but I disagree on some of their comments on Leblanc, Kristo

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Nice read. What caught my eye was wen he compared Leblanc to Gagne...I was like what?????I don't see it, does anyone else see that?

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Nice read. What caught my eye was wen he compared Leblanc to Gagne...I was like what?????I don't see it, does anyone else see that?
Not at all. Plus I don't like the part about his shot, I actually like his shot a lot, saw him blast one over a goalies shoulder and thought wow, I didn't think he had that much power in him as he's so skinny.

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Not at all. Plus I don't like the part about his shot, I actually like his shot a lot, saw him blast one over a goalies shoulder and thought wow, I didn't think he had that much power in him as he's so skinny.
I also notice that he(Leblanc) looks more bulk up this summer. Also, what I mean by nice read, it's always nice to read opinion out there weather I agree or not, at this time of the year(August)
What I did find was a lot of contradiction by his comments and his rating.

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I wouldn't really consider Latendresse a "later round" pick and I would argue that Eller's shot is more than "average," he just doesn't use it nearly enough.

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I never heard of them before but I disagree on some of their comments on Leblanc, Kristo
their website was launched this year i believe. they had a great draft preview wich had in depth analysis and was well written. not that i agree with everything they write but still a great read

i believe Corey Pronman who is running premium scouting has an account here at hf

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Dont like the leblacn/Gagner comparison at all. I dont really understant his 20-80 thing....

I really cant wait to see Avtsyn at camp since I have no idea what to think of him. I hope his wrist will be top shape.

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Dont like the leblacn/Gagner comparison at all. I dont really understant his 20-80 thing....

I really cant wait to see Avtsyn at camp since I have no idea what to think of him. I hope his wrist will be top shape.
I wish that you would change your Avitar....can't stand it sorry.

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Introducing the 20-80 Scale

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some of those are actually funny, i like their comparaison

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20- Can barely perform this skill, there are 13 and 14 year old amateur players who can do this skill better. Think Derek Boogaard’s hockey sense for example
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30- Significantly below average (minus minus), isn’t beer league quality but it’s nowhere near the NHL level. Think Georges Laraque’s puck skills or Hall Gill’s skating
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40- Below NHL average (minus), this skill isn’t completely out of the league but it’s still a good notch below. Examples are Marc Andre Fleury’s rebound control or Jack Johnson’s hockey sense

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I wish that you would change your Avitar....can't stand it sorry.
I'll change it tomorrow ... I lost a bet

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Pretty good article.

However, my rankings would be different :

In terms of potential :

1- Lars Eller 1st/2nd line forward
2- Alexander Avtsin 1st/2nd line forward
3- Danny Kristo 2nd line forward
4- Louis Leblanc 2nd/3rd line forward
5- Max Pacioretty 2nd/3rd line forward

In terms of chances to make the NHL and reach the expectations :

1- Lars Eller (NHL ready, total package)
2- Danny Kristo (has all the tools to succeed)
3- Max Pacioretty (pretty much a sure bet but top 6 or bottom 6?)
4- Louis Leblanc (has still A LOT to learn)
5- Alexander Avstin (boom or bust, Russia may be a factor after his ELC if he doesn't like his role with the team)

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Looks amateur and regurgitated to me.

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Looks amateur and regurgitated to me.
I like the site, ever since I heard about the top 100 on ESPN radio I've been following.

I can see the amateurish part of it but regurgitated? Pronman does a lot of things but regurgitate isn't one of them. Also I believe Alex Seren Rosso from HF writes there and a few other names I recognize.

I read for Pronman though, he's got interesting views.

As for those complaining about the 20-80, it's an old scouting system that's been around forever in baseball at least, it's based on standard deviation.

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Looks amateur and regurgitated to me.
Come on now....with a 2-week old baby on my hands, if there's one place I didn't want to read "regurgitated" it's here.....give me a break please....

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Pretty good article.

However, my rankings would be different :

In terms of potential :

1- Lars Eller 1st/2nd line forward
2- Alexander Avtsin 1st/2nd line forward
3- Danny Kristo 2nd line forward
4- Louis Leblanc 2nd/3rd line forward
5- Max Pacioretty 2nd/3rd line forward

In terms of chances to make the NHL and reach the expectations :

1- Lars Eller (NHL ready, total package)
2- Danny Kristo (has all the tools to succeed)
3- Max Pacioretty (pretty much a sure bet but top 6 or bottom 6?)
4- Louis Leblanc (has still A LOT to learn)
5- Alexander Avstin (boom or bust, Russia may be a factor after his ELC if he doesn't like his role with the team)
Leblanc is much more of a sure bet than Kristo at this point, who has some skills, but still could end up like D'Agostini IMHO. I'd also rank him higher than Pacioretty, and put Leblanc above Kristo as far as potential is concerned. Leblanc might as well become an hybrid of Mike Richards and Brad Richards, but he's not going to be anything less than an above average center, like Stajan IMHO.

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May be a bit harsher than we like to read, but sure beats the guy who had a good 25 NHLers on the way up through our ranks.

Good read, very tough grader, but likely closer to the truth than some of what we read. Thought he was a bit harsh on Weber though, I must say.

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He seems to rate the skating of players much lower than other sources. This seems odd.
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I'm curious as to how Avtsin is only a 55 on the skating side of things, the little i've seen from him and the bunch that I've heard is that he is extremely fast.

Did he not beat the rest of his team mates in a skills comp by one whole lap in a 10 lap race or something?

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Come on now....with a 2-week old baby on my hands, if there's one place I didn't want to read "regurgitated" it's here.....give me a break please....
LOL! I feel your pain!

Congrats by the way!

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Leblanc is much more of a sure bet than Kristo at this point, who has some skills, but still could end up like D'Agostini IMHO. I'd also rank him higher than Pacioretty, and put Leblanc above Kristo as far as potential is concerned. Leblanc might as well become an hybrid of Mike Richards and Brad Richards, but he's not going to be anything less than an above average center, like Stajan IMHO.
I agree. Kristo, I like him, but I mean I'm afraid he becomes not necessarily D'Agostini, but someone who struggles with offense, and maxes at around 40 points. Leblanc is more of a full package, and while he might not become your Richards duo, he could very well be a good heart and soul type of guy with 60 points and great PK.

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I'm curious as to how Avtsin is only a 55 on the skating side of things, the little i've seen from him and the bunch that I've heard is that he is extremely fast.

Did he not beat the rest of his team mates in a skills comp by one whole lap in a 10 lap race or something?
I think they compare him to NHLers. I mean, how does Avtsin fare against NHL players? And 55 is still a notch above average...

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