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08-13-2010, 11:16 AM
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OK, had to stop you here......this is precisely why Carter does not fit.
I don't disagree with you, I think Carter is a square peg in a round hole on this team. He needs a guy like Ryan, Doan or another skilled power forward type and while I am hoping JVR can be that guy 2 years from now when he fills out, until then Jeff just needs to be our "3rd line center" with muckers and grinders as wingers.

I would like to see:

Zherdev-Richards-Leino
JVR-Giroux-Briere
Hartnell-Carter-Carcillo

The biggest thing about losing Gagne is that our only good defensive forwards are Roo, Richie and Carter. With them all down the middle then we don't have a line to eat up quality defensive minutes like the Richards-Gagne pairing did last year, if we put Giroux with Richards on the first line then we have an absolute defensive sieve 2nd line with JVR-Briere-Leino... makes me cringe.

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08-13-2010, 11:29 AM
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I don't disagree with you, I think Carter is a square peg in a round hole on this team. He needs a guy like Ryan, Doan or another skilled power forward type and while I am hoping JVR can be that guy 2 years from now when he fills out, until then Jeff just needs to be our "3rd line center" with muckers and grinders as wingers.

I would like to see:

Zherdev-Richards-Leino
JVR-Giroux-Briere
Hartnell-Carter-Carcillo

The biggest thing about losing Gagne is that our only good defensive forwards are Roo, Richie and Carter. With them all down the middle then we don't have a line to eat up quality defensive minutes like the Richards-Gagne pairing did last year, if we put Giroux with Richards on the first line then we have an absolute defensive sieve 2nd line with JVR-Briere-Leino... makes me cringe.

Like the idea of Briere/Giroux together but do not exactly like JvR with them right now. He is too inexperienced defensively playing with Briere on the other wing, maybe switch JvR and Leino?

JvR/Richards/Zherdev
Leino/Giroux/Briere
Hartnell/Carter/Carcillo

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08-13-2010, 11:41 AM
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Like the idea of Briere/Giroux together but do not exactly like JvR with them right now. He is too inexperienced defensively playing with Briere on the other wing, maybe switch JvR and Leino?

JvR/Richards/Zherdev
Leino/Giroux/Briere
Hartnell/Carter/Carcillo
Leino-Giroux-Briere is WAY too small, I put JVR there for his size. Btw, Detroit said Leino was brutal defensively, I am not ready to anoint him a Selke candidate just yet.

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08-13-2010, 11:43 AM
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Do you follow hockey? Carcillo hurt his knee in the Boston series, then had surgery for a sports hernia after the season. He was hurt or he would have been playing.
Ummm...yeah, keep telling yourself that. So basically Prongs should have been benched too, because he was hurt throughout much of the finals. And Gags and Carter should never have played because they were hurt too.

He was not playing because he was not better than anyone else who was in the lineup. Carter at 50% is still 200% better than Carcillo @ 100%. Same with Gagne. You're obviously not going to take out the entire Briere line. If you look at the Giroux line, Giroux obviously is not getting benched before Carcillo. JVR had more potential (not that he fully lived up to it) of offensive skill than Carcillo, and Asham was playing better all around hockey than Carcillo. Now go to the 4th line. Powe, Betts, Lappy and even Nodl provided much better defense and penalty killing than Carcillo. That's why he couldn't knock any of those guys out of the lineup. Oh yeah, Betts was playing with TWO torn up shoulders. Probably shoulda benched him too, according to your logic.

And yes, I watch hockey. Questioning someone's qualifications rather than their viewpoint is a tact generally used when you don't have a strong base of logic to back your position, a la "I know you are but what am I"

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Ummm...yeah, keep telling yourself that. So basically Prongs should have been benched too, because he was hurt throughout much of the finals. And Gags and Carter should never have played because they were hurt too.

He was not playing because he was not better than anyone else who was in the lineup. Carter at 50% is still 200% better than Carcillo @ 100%. Same with Gagne. You're obviously not going to take out the entire Briere line. If you look at the Giroux line, Giroux obviously is not getting benched before Carcillo. JVR had more potential (not that he fully lived up to it) of offensive skill than Carcillo, and Asham was playing better all around hockey than Carcillo. Now go to the 4th line. Powe, Betts, Lappy and even Nodl provided much better defense and penalty killing than Carcillo. That's why he couldn't knock any of those guys out of the lineup. Oh yeah, Betts was playing with TWO torn up shoulders. Probably shoulda benched him too, according to your logic.

And yes, I watch hockey. Questioning someone's qualifications rather than their viewpoint is a tact generally used when you don't have a strong base of logic to back your position, a la "I know you are but what am I"
Carcillo at 100% > Asham at 100%
Carcillo at 100% > Powe at 100%

Carcillo at 50% < Asham at 100%
Carcillo at 50% < Powe at 100%

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Like the idea of Briere/Giroux together but do not exactly like JvR with them right now. He is too inexperienced defensively playing with Briere on the other wing, maybe switch JvR and Leino?

JvR/Richards/Zherdev
Leino/Giroux/Briere
Hartnell/Carter/Carcillo
The only issue with this is that Lappy is basically on record as saying Briere has earned the right to start the season at center. He didn't necessarily say he'd keep the line together though. I'm personally torn as to whether it is better to break it up (I think Hartnell and Leino are the two best forwards for digging the puck out of corners) or keep it together.

Also, Panotch has Carter as a winger on Richards line. I'm not sure that this is true though. I think they'll give him a shot at C bc of his obvious discomfort at wing.

As much as I don't think Carcillo is a top-9 on this team, since there is no other option I'm thinking they try these:

JVR - Carter - Giroux
Hartnell - Briere - Leino
Carcillo - Richards - Zherdev

Personally, I would consider breaking up the Briere line and going with these.

Hartnell - Carter - Giroux
JVR - Briere - Leino
Carcillo - Richards - Zherdev

My thinking is that Hartnell played with Carter on CC line in Carter's best season, so they have chemistry. Giroux can set up Carter's wicked wrister and Scotty can bang in the rebounds.

JVR has size but not the strength (yet), but Leino can control the puck in the corners and feed it out to Briere, who also has a wicked shot. JVR can then use his size in front of the net.

Zherdev and Richards both can make plays, and Carcillo can agitate, hopefully knock in some pucks, and keep plays alive.

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Carcillo at 100% > Asham at 100%
Carcillo at 100% > Powe at 100%

Carcillo at 50% < Asham at 100%
Carcillo at 50% < Powe at 100%
I'm not sure I completely agree with these. Asham and Carcillo had virtually identical stats. Howeve, Carcillo played on top line for half the season. Asham played with two really young players for most of the season. Carcillo drew more penalties, but also had double the PIM. Both had a few really sweet plays, but really those were flashes. To me, Carcillo = Asham.

In terms of Carcillo vs. Powe, that really depends on what role you are looking for. If it is a scoring role, well let's face it, Powe (along with Nodl) has fallen short in that role. But if you want a defensive specialist who can also PK, then Powe > Carcillo. In the SC finals, that was clearly the case.

At the end of the day, Carcillo doesn't score enough for me to put him on a line with Richards, Carter, Zherdev, Giroux, Briere, etc, and isn't defensive enough for a checking line role. But frankly, they have him so you gotta do something with him.

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I'm not sure I completely agree with these. Asham and Carcillo had virtually identical stats. Howeve, Carcillo played on top line for half the season. Asham played with two really young players for most of the season. Carcillo drew more penalties, but also had double the PIM. Both had a few really sweet plays, but really those were flashes. To me, Carcillo = Asham.

In terms of Carcillo vs. Powe, that really depends on what role you are looking for. If it is a scoring role, well let's face it, Powe (along with Nodl) has fallen short in that role. But if you want a defensive specialist who can also PK, then Powe > Carcillo. In the SC finals, that was clearly the case.

At the end of the day, Carcillo doesn't score enough for me to put him on a line with Richards, Carter, Zherdev, Giroux, Briere, etc, and isn't defensive enough for a checking line role. But frankly, they have him so you gotta do something with him.
I was comparing in terms of overall ability as a NHL player, not individual aspects of their game.

Also, I wasn't arguing that he should be in a scoring role, 3rd line agitator is fine by me. I know the names are tainted around here, but Carcillo can be our Avery or Tucker any day of the week as far as I am concerned.

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08-13-2010, 12:18 PM
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Leino-Giroux-Briere is WAY too small, I put JVR there for his size. Btw, Detroit said Leino was brutal defensively, I am not ready to anoint him a Selke candidate just yet.
I heard that as well in the scouting reports, talented offensively, but.....then I saw him play and he was really good on the back check and positionally sound, plus he could anticipate the play so well. This is one of my reasonings to having Giroux at center too, he is not only positionally sound, but he anticipates the play so well, he knows where the puck is going on the defensive end and can anticipate the play and break it up.

Leino has some size, he may not be the most physical player but JvR has yet to show he is a big physical player either.

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08-13-2010, 12:27 PM
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The only issue with this is that Lappy is basically on record as saying Briere has earned the right to start the season at center. He didn't necessarily say he'd keep the line together though. I'm personally torn as to whether it is better to break it up (I think Hartnell and Leino are the two best forwards for digging the puck out of corners) or keep it together.

Also, Panotch has Carter as a winger on Richards line. I'm not sure that this is true though. I think they'll give him a shot at C bc of his obvious discomfort at wing.

As much as I don't think Carcillo is a top-9 on this team, since there is no other option I'm thinking they try these:

JVR - Carter - Giroux
Hartnell - Briere - Leino
Carcillo - Richards - Zherdev

Personally, I would consider breaking up the Briere line and going with these.

Hartnell - Carter - Giroux
JVR - Briere - Leino
Carcillo - Richards - Zherdev

My thinking is that Hartnell played with Carter on CC line in Carter's best season, so they have chemistry. Giroux can set up Carter's wicked wrister and Scotty can bang in the rebounds.

JVR has size but not the strength (yet), but Leino can control the puck in the corners and feed it out to Briere, who also has a wicked shot. JVR can then use his size in front of the net.

Zherdev and Richards both can make plays, and Carcillo can agitate, hopefully knock in some pucks, and keep plays alive.

In my world both Briere and Giroux are centering lines and Carter is on the wing. Giroux on the wing is killing his biggest strength, the ability to spread the ice with his vision and passing. He was referred to as one of the most dynamic players in the SCF's and yet people are so willing to move him to the wing in spite of Carter's inability to create offense for others. Just amazes me, not directed at you, that people do not see Carter for what he is.....a pretty fundamentally one dimensional offensive hockey player who has all the talent, skill, and size to be more dominant but seems predisposed to play a more comfortable style of hockey where he does not have to be physical.

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In my world both Briere and Giroux are centering lines and Carter is on the wing. Giroux on the wing is killing his biggest strength, the ability to spread the ice with his vision and passing. He was referred to as one of the most dynamic players in the SCF's and yet people are so willing to move him to the wing in spite of Carter's inability to create offense for others. Just amazes me, not directed at you, that people do not see Carter for what he is.....a pretty fundamentally one dimensional offensive hockey player who has all the talent, skill, and size to be more dominant but seems predisposed to play a more comfortable style of hockey where he does not have to be physical.
Well, I actually agree with you that RW is where Carter should be playing, based on his skills and how he uses them. I also agree that he COULD be dominant but so far has not shown the will to do so (still hoping he will). And personally, I'm in the camp that would have explored trading Carter for either stud goalie (young, not Tim Thomas!) or even RW (Ryan, etc) to improve the chemistry of the forward unit. And lastly, as my nickname suggests, I am a HUGE Giroux fan and feel that playing him at center would maximize his talent, for all the reasons you mention.

All that having been said, Giroux has shown a desire to succeed at either position, whereas Carter has clearly been uncomfortable at RW. Maybe it's a small sample size, and actually he'd embrace it if fully directed by Lavy to do so. Who knows? But Carter is still a tremendous talent and asset and does get the benefit of doubt given his performance of two years ago. He's also seen as a "veteran" and that alone will generally give him a leg up in a coach's eyes. So while I think they value the potential of Giroux, they would defer to Carter's wishes at start him off at Center.

Personally, I think Giroux will still be a dynamite, creative player on the wing, particularly if playing with someone that can pull the trigger like Carter.

But if you like, flip Carter and Giroux and keep the balance of my line combinations the same. I'm fine with that too!

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I was comparing in terms of overall ability as a NHL player, not individual aspects of their game.

Also, I wasn't arguing that he should be in a scoring role, 3rd line agitator is fine by me. I know the names are tainted around here, but Carcillo can be our Avery or Tucker any day of the week as far as I am concerned.
Avery is much more talented than Carcillo, probably Tucker too. To me if you are going to have an agitator type on THIS team, given the talent of the other top 8 forwards, you have to have someone like a Downie. At least he can score 20 goals for you as well as mix it up.

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How many games do you think Shelley will play next season?

And how many games do you think Powe will play next season?

and will shelley be a healthy scratch in the playoffs?

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If the roster stays the way it is during the regular season I expect 60+ games for Shelley. The Eastern confrence has a lot of tough guys and were gonna need Shelley. I can see Carcillo getting scratched every now and then. Powe plays 50+ I'd say. Shelley unless ge turns into Gretzky will most likey be scratched for the playoffs. That leaves us with 4 lines that can all be effective in their own ways.

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why would shelley play more than powe?

and will powe play in the playoffs?

what do you think the playoff lines will be?

i know its far away but still. and this would be with no more signings or trades for the rest of the season

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Well, desperate times, desperate measures, yada yada.

Both Carter and Richards should be centres on this team. It's a giant waste of their two-way talents to play on the wing. It is Giroux and Briere that need to make better use of their time on the wing.
I agree with this 100%.....Carts and Ritchie as centers, Briere must never play center again unless in a dire emergency, and there is nothing better than Roo coming down the left side and putting one of his insane moves on the goalie like he did against Montreal in the playoffs, that cat Halak is still looking for the puck!

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You can tell there are allot of people who just play nhl 10 in here, just by the reasoning alone.

"Giroux can set up carters magical wrister" not going to happen ever i'm sorry. Both a similar types of players on the ice. Both need the puck on their stick entering the zone to be effective.

As i've said a million times, Carter is a one man army in the offensive zone. His biggest assets will be the defense keeping the puck in the zone after he terrible missed wristers. All carter needs to succeed is a couple of muckers in the corners that are willing to do the dirty work for him. After that it's all finesse from our number 17.

Oh and the lines

1A. Hartnell - Briere - Leino
1B. JvR - Carter - Carcillo
1C. Zherdev - Richards - Giroux
Lappy - Betts/powe - Shelley

And if the 1A line fails like i think it might in the regular season

1A. Hartnell - Carter - Leino
1B. Giroux - Briere - Zherdev
1C. JVR - Richards - Carcillo
4th. Lappy - Betts - Shelley

The possibilities are endless. I just hope to god the team finds some chemistry this pre-season, because last year in the regular season it was a tell tale sign of a team that didn't know how to play together.


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You can tell there are allot of people who just play nhl 10 in here, just by the reasoning alone.

"Giroux can set up carters magical wrister" not going to happen ever i'm sorry. Both a similar types of players on the ice. Both need the puck on their stick entering the zone to be effective.

As i've said a million times, Carter is a one man army in the offensive zone. His biggest assets will be the defense keeping the puck in the zone after he terrible missed wristers. All carter needs to succeed is a couple of muckers in the corners that are willing to do the dirty work for him. After that it's all finesse from our number 17.

Oh and the lines

1A. Hartnell - Briere - Leino
1B. JvR - Carter - Carcillo
1C. Zherdev - Richards - Giroux
Lappy - Betts/powe - Shelley

And if the 1A line fails like i think it might in the regular season

1A. Hartnell - Carter - Leino
1B. Giroux - Briere - Zherdev
1C. JVR - Richards - Carcillo
4th. Lappy - Betts - Shelley

The possibilities are endless. I just hope to god the team finds some chemistry this pre-season, because last year in the regular season it was a tell tale sign of a team that didn't know how to play together.
Ok first of all dude, it was WICKED wrister, not magical wrister

Second of all, never played NHL 10, or any other version. Just because you don't like someone's reasoning, doesn't make you any more of a hockey "expert" here.

Next, Carter and Giroux are about as similar of a player as let's say...JVR and Shelley. Do both need the puck alot to be most effective? Yes I agree with that. But so do Briere and Richards. That's why many of us have been saying they need to trade Carter (by process of elimination he's the one that would have to go, not because he is the least valuable). Actually, I think that Giroux and Richards are the most likely to be able to learn to play effectively without the puck more so than Briere and Carter. And I would say Carter is the least likely.

But Giroux is perhaps their most dynamic play maker, and Carter possibly their least effective. He has virtually no shot, whereas Carter and Briere have the best shots on the team (and Carter one of the best wrist shots in the league). So, I don't think they are similar at all.

Now, if you use your line combinations, IMO the first set would work out ok. But really at this point in his career JVR isn't a mucker. But there isn't anyone else to put in that role, so I'm ok with trying him out there.

In the second set, Giroux - Briere - Zherdev would not be effective for a couple of reasons. First, defensively it would be horrible. Giroux and Briere are small, and though Giroux has shown to be very defensively responsible, Briere and Zherdev are probably the worst two on the team (and in the bottom of NHL). Zherdev also is strongest with the puck, so you have three guys who would "compete" for the Puck. Also, Zherdev has the next best shot on the team after Carter and Briere, IMO so I don't like stacking them up on one line. It would be killer fast, granted, by I don't see chemistry there.

Using your logic I think these are better.

Hartnell - Carter - Carcillo
JVR - Briere - Leino
Giroux - Richards - Zherdev

Personally, I don't think Giroux and Richards were super effective when they played together last year, albeit in a relatively brief time and I think that was before Lappy. I'd rather go with my line combinations to start versus this, but I'd be ok with trying this one in pre-season, or your first one.

Finally, I do not believe there are countless possibilities, mainly because of the way the players match up. But I am in 100% agreement with you about last year's line combinations...very little chemistry in my opinion which is why most people on the team had down years. Also, the effect of not having enough skill while players were out of the lineup.

Personally, I think trading Upshall and Lupul, and to some extent Umberger, has really hurt the team from a chemistry standpoint.

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Ok first of all dude, it was WICKED wrister, not magical wrister

Second of all, never played NHL 10, or any other version. Just because you don't like someone's reasoning, doesn't make you any more of a hockey "expert" here.

Next, Carter and Giroux are about as similar of a player as let's say...JVR and Shelley. Do both need the puck alot to be most effective? Yes I agree with that. But so do Briere and Richards. That's why many of us have been saying they need to trade Carter (by process of elimination he's the one that would have to go, not because he is the least valuable). Actually, I think that Giroux and Richards are the most likely to be able to learn to play effectively without the puck more so than Briere and Carter. And I would say Carter is the least likely.

But Giroux is perhaps their most dynamic play maker, and Carter possibly their least effective. He has virtually no shot, whereas Carter and Briere have the best shots on the team (and Carter one of the best wrist shots in the league). So, I don't think they are similar at all.

Now, if you use your line combinations, IMO the first set would work out ok. But really at this point in his career JVR isn't a mucker. But there isn't anyone else to put in that role, so I'm ok with trying him out there.

In the second set, Giroux - Briere - Zherdev would not be effective for a couple of reasons. First, defensively it would be horrible. Giroux and Briere are small, and though Giroux has shown to be very defensively responsible, Briere and Zherdev are probably the worst two on the team (and in the bottom of NHL). Zherdev also is strongest with the puck, so you have three guys who would "compete" for the Puck. Also, Zherdev has the next best shot on the team after Carter and Briere, IMO so I don't like stacking them up on one line. It would be killer fast, granted, by I don't see chemistry there.

Using your logic I think these are better.

Hartnell - Carter - Carcillo
JVR - Briere - Leino
Giroux - Richards - Zherdev

Personally, I don't think Giroux and Richards were super effective when they played together last year, albeit in a relatively brief time and I think that was before Lappy. I'd rather go with my line combinations to start versus this, but I'd be ok with trying this one in pre-season, or your first one.

Finally, I do not believe there are countless possibilities, mainly because of the way the players match up. But I am in 100% agreement with you about last year's line combinations...very little chemistry in my opinion which is why most people on the team had down years. Also, the effect of not having enough skill while players were out of the lineup.

Personally, I think trading Upshall and Lupul, and to some extent Umberger, has really hurt the team from a chemistry standpoint.
I've just read my post, and the NHL 10 comment wasn't directed at you at all, i appologise for that. I was on the Trade Carter bandwagon too as he really is the odd man out, and we could of had a kings ransom for him*, which would of helped the flyers out all over the ice.

Imagine trading with the kings and getting bernier + maybe Simmonds + Draft picks

As i said though, the biggest problem we are going to have is team chemistry. Briere has shown clearly that when he has the right linemates, he is easily one of the most dominant offensive forces in the league. Buffalo, Playoffs and with prospal.

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I've just read my post, and the NHL 10 comment wasn't directed at you at all, i appologise for that. I was on the Trade Carter bandwagon too as he really is the odd man out, and we could of had a kings ransom for him*, which would of helped the flyers out all over the ice.

Imagine trading with the kings and getting bernier + maybe Simmonds + Draft picks

As i said though, the biggest problem we are going to have is team chemistry. Briere has shown clearly that when he has the right linemates, he is easily one of the most dominant offensive forces in the league. Buffalo, Playoffs and with prospal.
No worries mate. And your comment really wasn't that bad, so I wasn't really offended. I personally try to debate the idea, not criticize the person. I figure we're on a hockey chat board, which pretty much makes everyone here a hardcore fan so generally we all know the game. So it really is about the ideas.

And actually, we seem to be in the same exact camp. I am very much worried about the chemistry for the offense. Now, truth be told they will certainly score. They had the 3rd most goals in conference last year, but that was a little bit of smoke and mirrors as a high % of those were scored by PP and D. 5 on 5 they really never clicked. And for me, the two biggest issues are four centers and Carcillo.

But actually, I'll give you props on a point. In the past I've thought more about needing another sniper kinda wing, like a Lupul (not a pure sniper but reasonable). Obviously there are cap issues there. But actually upgrading Carcillo to a Knuble kinda player works well too. It won't happen this year unfortunately, but a guy can dream.

By the way, as much as I think Carter is a great talent, I don't think Kings would have given up Bernier + Simmonds + picks for Carter straight up. We'd probably have to throw in someone. I'd even give them one of Bobrovsky/Erikkson to get it done. Oh well, more dreaming I guess.

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Does it really matter in regards to Carters health, even when healthy he has failed to show up as needed. And regular season is not different, when he wants to score he scores a ppg, when he doesn't he is invisible for a guy with his talent. Stop making excuses.
We are talking about lines during regular season. Try to stay on topic.

What do you mean regular season is not different? Different from what? Playoffs? Yes it is.

In playoffs, last year Carter was more than a half of PPG player with two broken legs, before that he had shoulder injury and had an off season shoulder surgery, before that he scored 11pts in 17 games and before that he was a rookie. Overall, Carter is averaging a half of point per game in playoffs, just like Gagne.

What excuses am I making? and what do you mean by "Does it really matter in regards to Carters health"?

Carter is the best scorer on our team, he won't be moved to left or right wings. He will stay where he belongs at center. Questions?


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i want:
Hartnell-Richards-carter mhmm, rough tough skilled prime aged, all around offense/defensive tough to play against line.
Carcillo-briere-leino honestly hartnell didnt impress me when paired with these guys...i thought THEY were awesome, and carcillo couldve done better for support.
JVR-giroux-Zherdev see them skillz?
Shelley-betts-lapp
*powe

Pronger-carle
timonen-Coburn
Meszaros-Walker

PP
JVR-carter/Briere-carter/briere true PP unit right here, i'd prefer carter at center.

pronger-carle


hartnell-richards-Zherdev
giroux-timonen (giroux on the point plz...let him have the puck as much as he wants!)


PK
richards-giroux
pronger-timonen
*carter
betts-lappy
coburn-meszaros
*powe
And you could switch hartnell/zherdev depending on how he fits with roo

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How many games do you think Shelley will play next season?

And how many games do you think Powe will play next season?

and will shelley be a healthy scratch in the playoffs?
Good grief Charlie Brown! Why are you so obsessed with Shelley? You've asked the same questions (mulitple times) on other sites and continue to do so here?

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