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08-13-2010, 01:47 AM
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Ville Leino ready to take the next step?

Really looking forward to seeing Leino play a full season with the Flyers this season.I am still wondering if he just over achieved a little and got a few good breaks during the post season ? or if he is the real deal and can be a consistent goal scorer throughout a full season.I looked at some replays of some of his goals etc during the post season, and the more i watched the more i really like his hands, positioning, and his vision on the ice.He just might be ready to take the next step and become a consistent goal scoring threat other teams will have to match up with. Hopefully he can lessen the blow of losing Gagne with timely goals this season.

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08-13-2010, 01:59 AM
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I mean he was voted the MVP of the entire league he once played in... I just think he wasn't used to North American hockey when he was on the wings, but got the hang of it a bit more here in Philly and the post-season helped him break out. Was he lucky? Maybe. But he's still a damn good player and you can't find anyone that has his skill for what we're paying for him. Win-win all around. I expect about 40+ points from him this season.

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I expect around 40-50 points but wouldn't be surprised to see him break 70.

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08-13-2010, 07:38 AM
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I think Homer is really counting on Ville and JVR to step up and fill in the lost production of Gagne. Obviously that requires a lot of faith in those players. He, like all of us realize he has the hands and skill to really be a threat, and with the correct linemates he can definitely be that threat.

I think it's all about correct placement and minutes played this year. I trust Lavy will do things right. I'm not undermining Mike Babcock, mostly because I'm not sure whose line he played on in Detroit but I think Lavy gave Ville the perfect amount of minutes played and the correct linemates. It'll be interesting if that beastly line from the playoffs continues into this season.

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08-13-2010, 07:45 AM
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I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed in his production this year.

I can't see him hitting the same kind of production he had in the postseason over a full year, I think a lot of things just went really well for a lot of people during that run.

That said, there's certainly the possibility that the playoffs really were his coming out party and he could put up big numbers, but I think people waiting/hoping for it are going to be let down.

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08-13-2010, 07:54 AM
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I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed in his production this year.

I can't see him hitting the same kind of production he had in the postseason over a full year, I think a lot of things just went really well for a lot of people during that run.

That said, there's certainly the possibility that the playoffs really were his coming out party and he could put up big numbers, but I think people waiting/hoping for it are going to be let down.
I don't think he'll do what he did in the playoffs that's a 90 point type season. But 40-50 points is more then a reasonable projection for him, and it's a huge bump from what he's done so far in the league.

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He'll go as far as he wants to. If he takes days off then the same thing that happened in Detroit will happen here.

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I think he will be a solid second liner. Doubt he wins any awards but his presence on the team this season will make the absence of Gagne not seem so bad. (FLAME ON!)

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08-13-2010, 09:08 AM
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Next step? I just want him to maintain the same level. Play the way he played in playoffs, I will take a little less too.

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From what I read about him, he is a playoff player. He tends to have average regular seasons, and managed to string one good one together which culminated in him being named league MVP.

I expect him to play better than he did in Detroit, but he is the type of player I really want around in the post season, his stats are ridonkulous.

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08-13-2010, 10:34 AM
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The one thing that worries me is he got his bell rung a couple of times in the playoffs with dipsy doodle moves. If players pick up on that he could get smoked. As for production, hopefully we'll have a pleasant surprise with him and he'll hit 60+ points.

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The one thing that worries me is he got his bell rung a couple of times in the playoffs with dipsy doodle moves. If players pick up on that he could get smoked. As for production, hopefully we'll have a pleasant surprise with him and he'll hit 60+ points.
this has been in the back of my head for a little too when looking back at the PO's and his play. Although I think some of that also has to be attributed to the intensity of the post season in the NHL as well, but you're right at some point he will get caught with his head down again and get his bell rung. But I also think he may be given some more time and space during the regular season as well.

Hopefully this run he's had has not only built his confidence, but also his team and coaches to let him do his thing out there and blossom into whatever he can. There were a few interviews of his during the PO's if i'm not mistaken where he was stuck between a rock and a hard place in detroit where the coaching staff there was trying to mold him into a player he didn't feel fit him well. Perhaps things just work better for him in philly and Lavy takes the reigns off of him *shrugs.

Looking forward to seeing him play to say the least

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A few games into the Chicago series they did start to put the body on him more but he seemed to not get off his game. Over the course of an 82 game season if teams start do that to him more on a consistent basis and take him off the puck with the body yeah we'll have to see if he has the mental fortitude to work through it. He definitely still has to prove himself to be consistent along with Zherdev and Carter for that matter. I see him as a 50 pt guy this year.

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I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed in his production this year.
I'm expecting:

Richards - PPG
Carter - PPG (if center)
Briere - 60~ (if wing)
Zherdev - 60~
Giroux - 55-60~
Hartnell - 50~
vanRiemsdyk - 45-50~
Leino - 40-45~

Anything more is just gravy.

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as much as I love leino im not sure I see him reaching 50pts this season. if I had to guess ill say 20 to 30 points. I would like to see the leino-briere-hartnell line at the start of the season.

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I'm expecting:

Richards - PPG
Carter - PPG (if center)
Briere - 60~ (if wing)
Zherdev - 60~
Giroux - 55-60~
Hartnell - 50~
vanRiemsdyk - 45-50~
Leino - 40-45~

Anything more is just gravy.
Very realistic numbers, I expect a tad more from Briere and Zherdev and a tad less from Giroux and JVR, though.

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08-13-2010, 11:33 AM
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I'm expecting:

Richards - PPG
Carter - PPG (if center)
Briere - 60~ (if wing)
Zherdev - 60~
Giroux - 55-60~
Hartnell - 50~
vanRiemsdyk - 45-50~
Leino - 40-45~

Anything more is just gravy.
Screw that. At leats 70 points. Last year I was hoping for 80-90. This year, all I want is 70 including 30 goals and trying to be somewhere under minus 7.

Unless you keeping you standards low and thast why you never disappointed.

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It's a UFA contract year for Leino. He will play harder than ever before. His production should be just fine (for his sake, it better be).

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He should grow a beard all year round. That would add at least 10 to 15 to his point totals by the end of the season.

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Screw that. At leats 70 points. Last year I was hoping for 80-90. This year, all I want is 70 including 30 goals and trying to be somewhere under minus 7.

Unless you keeping you standards low and thast why you never disappointed.
Let's say my calculations are somewhat in the ballpark:

Richards - 35 goals
Carter - 45 goals
Briere - 30 goals
Zherdev - 25 goals
Giroux - 20 goals
Hartnell - 25 goals
vanRiemsdyk - 25 goals
Leino - 20 goals

That's 225 goals from our top 8. I don't think my expectations are low at all.

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Let's say my calculations are somewhat in the ballpark:

Richards - 35 goals
Carter - 45 goals
Briere - 30 goals
Zherdev - 25 goals
Giroux - 20 goals
Hartnell - 25 goals
vanRiemsdyk - 25 goals
Leino - 20 goals

That's 225 goals from our top 8. I don't think my expectations are low at all.
JVR with 25 goals in his sophmore season with no PP time?

Has there EVER been a sophmore that put those kinds of goal totals with no PP time in the history of the NHL? Bobby Ryan is the only one I can think of that did it and he had 1st line PP time all season if I am not mistaken.

I will take 15-20 G, 35-40 points and slightly better defense from JVR and say that he is right on pace in his development.

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Leino will hit 50.

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JVR was streaky last year and hit a wall in the second part of the season. He was on fire in the preseason. I expect him to be a little more consistent and he can def score 20-25 with 5 on 5 play in Lavy's system. He's got good hands and is creative like Leino not to mention has good speed for his size..just needs more muscle which I'm hoping he puts on and just fills in naturally.

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08-13-2010, 01:48 PM
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JVR with 25 goals in his sophmore season with no PP time?

Has there EVER been a sophmore that put those kinds of goal totals with no PP time in the history of the NHL? Bobby Ryan is the only one I can think of that did it and he had 1st line PP time all season if I am not mistaken.

I will take 15-20 G, 35-40 points and slightly better defense from JVR and say that he is right on pace in his development.
Here goes some active players even strength goals their second year in the league.

30 ES Goals: Alex Ovechkin, Evgeni Malkin
29 ES Goals: Ilya Kovachuk
27 ES Goals: Paul Kariya
26 ES Goals: Steven Stamkos
25 ES Goals: Owen Nolan
24 ES Goals: Marian Hossa
23 ES Goals: Bill Guerin, Milan Hejduk, Sydney Crosby
22 ES Goals: Rick Nash, Mark Recchi, Zach Parise
21 ES Goals: Simon Gagne

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