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08-15-2010, 10:11 AM
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Yes... they do...and will continue to do so.
For a chance to make under 6 mil a year when they could make over 10 in the K? Not a chance.

You honestly think someone would turn down 4 million+ dollars a year because of the Stanley Cup?

You offer Sid Crosby 5.9 or whatever max contract you guys proposed, and the KHL offers him 15. Hes going to Russia. It's that simple.

The whole "5.9 million is more than enough money" argument is asinine. Every single person in the world wants more money, and the Stanley Cup isn't going to make people turn down twice what they could make in the NHL.

It's all moot at the end of the day anyways. Not one idea that's been thrown around in here would ever be accepted by the PA. And if there was a lockout? Just watch how many players walked and went to go play elsewhere.

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Yes, they will have other jobs but many of them will never have the earning potential they enjoyed as Pro.

Most of us GAIN earning potential as we master our crafts, build clientele, finish higher education etc.

I wonder what the #1 job of the ex-NHL player is?
I would assume the #1 would be sports journalism or working in some manner with their former teams. Obviously this doesn't get offered to everyone, but if you were to take a percentage I would assume they are the most common jobs.

The others? Who knows. But you hear of NHL players running through their money and going broke far less than you do with NFL and NBA players, which is both funny are surprising seeing as how the average player makes much more in both leagues.

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Will never, ever happen.
I don't see it either... but if it came to a vote, then i's actually good for most players... Your franchise player will suffer, but it leaves mucg ore room under the cap for the marginal types... think: socialism in the NHL. your top 5 players all making the max.

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getting rid of these type of contracts is easy now that the "cats out of the bag" sort of. And thanks to the Devils those contracts are done. what they need to figure out is how to reward teams for keeping their own guys. Its a shame how the balckhawks just go dismantled (we shouldn't really feel bad for them since they signed Hossa, Campbell etc. knowing that they have an excelent young core that they had to let go) they kind of went all or nothing and the gamble paid off, but it seems like now they will have nothing.
It seems like sports has become just synonymous with money.. we spent twice as much time talking about monetary issues rather then the sport itself. This is just crazy and drives me crazy. Between players contract talks and the labor agreements talks we're kind of losing touch with the sport itself. Now we get a hard-on for the contract the player signs rather then for how many goals the guy scored. This just sucks.
The football season is starting and all we hear is Revis Revis Revis, **** him suspend him for the year teach him (and all these overpaid athletes) a lesson who the REAL BOSS is.

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You offer Sid Crosby 5.9 or whatever max contract you guys proposed, and the KHL offers him 15. Hes going to Russia. It's that simple.

No its not.

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What does this have to do with Kaberle?

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I don't see it either... but if it came to a vote, then i's actually good for most players... Your franchise player will suffer, but it leaves mucg ore room under the cap for the marginal types... think: socialism in the NHL. your top 5 players all making the max.
And once most, if not all the best players, go to other leagues, what happens to the NHL, when "marginal types" rule?

Are owners really so stupid as to kill the golden goose? People pay money to see great hockey players play high level hockey. If you take away the best players, what's left? I might as well go watch what's left of the AHL (cheaper tickets) or college/Junior hockey (prospects learning the game, cheap tickets)

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getting rid of these type of contracts is easy now that the "cats out of the bag" sort of. And thanks to the Devils those contracts are done. what they need to figure out is how to reward teams for keeping their own guys. Its a shame how the balckhawks just go dismantled (we shouldn't really feel bad for them since they signed Hossa, Campbell etc. knowing that they have an excelent young core that they had to let go) they kind of went all or nothing and the gamble paid off, but it seems like now they will have nothing.
It seems like sports has become just synonymous with money.. we spent twice as much time talking about monetary issues rather then the sport itself. This is just crazy and drives me crazy. Between players contract talks and the labor agreements talks we're kind of losing touch with the sport itself. Now we get a hard-on for the contract the player signs rather then for how many goals the guy scored. This just sucks.
The football season is starting and all we hear is Revis Revis Revis, **** him suspend him for the year teach him (and all these overpaid athletes) a lesson who the REAL BOSS is.
Welcome to 2010 America. Why should sports be any different? And if you think players are overpaid, how about the head of a major company who was pretty just fired for cause, but got a severance package of between $40-$50 Million to ease his pain? Professional sports are just following the leader here.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/bu...e&ref=business

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There isn't a lot of guidance in the Kovy decision about how to fix this whole issue of long-term, heavily front-end loaded contracts.

At no point does Bloch say that long-term contracts should be banned, or that front-end loaded contracts should be banned...he acknowledges doubts about people playing to the end of some of these deals, but he also says that even if it is unlikely, it is still possible that such a contract will be fulfilled.

I don't think the owners want a hard limit on contract length -- there are guys they want to lock up for 10 years and, frankly, I have no problem with a 22 year old signing a long term deal if he wants to...

It will come down to two things in my view. First, finding a way to make the cap hit look more like the annual salary. You can vary the hit over the term of the contract in a number of ways or you can put much stricter limits on how quickly a salary can fall and how much it can fall by. You can still front-end load a salary, but not as dramatically. Bloch acknowledges that front-end loaded contracts are reasonable given that production tends to fall off as a player ages.

Second, the thing that really tipped the Kovy case in the NHL's favour was the game played with the NMC becoming a NTC in the final years which would have allowed the Devils to waive Kovy and avoid a cap hit that (by that time) was much bigger than his salary. The owners are likely going to look for tougher rules on these clauses that will limit their ability to be used to circumvent the cap.

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Contracts that circumvent the Cap are not allowed. You cant have two sets of rules.
Yes I'm not sure why you said this I'm suggesting a type of penalty because I share the exact same sentiment. But obviously we have contracts likeHossa's and Luongo's in the league so the question becomes what kind of penalty or rule could be instated to PREVENT teams from even trying to circumvent the cap.

My title is not perfect I should have titled "What rules could prevent attempts to circumvent the cap."

So bad title by me.

If the rule I made up were instated teams wouldn't be able to circumvent the cap.

Kovie signs. The contract would look fishy. The league rules on if the contract is guilty of circumvention and if yes the penalty goes into effect. Maybe an arbitrator is used as it was in this last case.

The only problem i have is the rules don't define exactly what would be cap circumvention but (sometimes) the league is smart. I'm sure they can see the difference between Gabs or hank's contract and Hossa's or Kovie's.

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