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08-16-2010, 04:16 AM
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Could a big year from Burns hurt Minnesota?

(As a disclaimer, I am still working on my rebuilding topic...just been really busy with work).

First and foremost; I think Brent Burns will have a rebound year and will be the Wild candidate for the Masterton Trophy in 10-11. I also think he'll get around 30-40 points as well and will be second in points on defense (Zidlicky will lead the defensemen and Barker will be close behind Burns). However, thinking about this, if Burns continues to develop as a top pairing defenseman that gives Minnesota a lot to think about going into the 11-12 season with Burns becoming a free agent as well as Lats and Barker being a RFA.

The cap will probably still inch up and up. Minnesota will probably bring in guys like Granlund and a surprise rookie to help the team. But unlike Koivu there has been some young steady defensemen on the free agent market and a player like Burns, who is entering his prime could make a very tempting target for a team in need of a young defenseman.

With Bouwmeister getting close to 7 million, Pittsburgh picking up Martin and Michalek for 5 million and 4 million respectively, Volchenkov grabbing 3.2 million, it makes me wonder what Burns contract extension next year will look like (next summer). Possibly around 4-5 million depending on the situation and if he does improve? And then Lats, if he continues another 4-5 million there. Barker could actually stay around the same at 3 million.

But given that we had to slightly overpay for Koivu, could it be that CF is thinking of overpaying Burns around 6 million a year to stay in Minnesota instead of heading elsewhere. Big, mobile defenseman that can score are hard to find and you know a team like San Jose wouldn't mind grabbing Burns for 6 million a year.

So just a curious thought but a big year from Burns means more money for him in the future?

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The answer to your question is No. A big year by Burns won't hurt the team at all, but it may end up costing CF more.

I don't want to speculate what Burns could earn in an extension, but if he improves like you're speculating, he's definitely worth keeping around.

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If Burns has a down year he's getting moved the following year.

A big year from Burns will be good for everyone. If we need to give him a raise, so be it, dump Schultz/Barker, bring up Scandella/Cuma, and laugh all the way to the playoffs.

Oh, and that's in two years anyway. Who cares.

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Are Wild fans so negative that we now fear our players doing well?

This team needs Burns to have a monster year. They need him to be a top-pairing Dman, and they likewise need Schultz to be the defensive anchor in that top pairing.

In fact, IMO, for the Wild to go anywhere in the next few years, three things need to happen: (1) Burns plays to his potential, (2) Granlund effectively steps into the 2nd center position, and (3) a 1st line sniper appears out of nowhere.

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08-16-2010, 02:56 PM
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A big year from Burns will be good for everyone. If we need to give him a raise, so be it, dump Schultz/Barker, bring up Scandella/Cuma, and laugh all the way to the playoffs.

Oh, and that's in two years anyway. Who cares.
No, next year.

He's a free agent in 12/13 and as such we should be thinking about a contract extension next summer for Burns.

And we're not going to simply dump Barker or Schultz. We gave up a lot for Barker and Schultz, we have been trying to dump but we can't.

As for the first line sniper, we've seen Minnesota can be aggressive in free agency (Cullen, Havlat, Madden). However, if we are sinking in close to 4-6 million into Burns, I'm wondering if that doesn't change Fletcher's philosophy for the 13/14 off season.

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If Burns has top defenseman type year. Great. Extend him and worry about money later.

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If burns has an outstanding year great, extend his contract money isn't going to be to tight to fit him under cap with some players coming off the books. Plus Burns has stated in interviews he loves minnesota and hoped to stay here for a long time, so im thinkin burns might take a lil pay cut from what he would probably make on the open market.

edit: if he has a good year, extend him to a 22.5mil, 5 year contract for a cap hit of 4.5 per, or a 20mil 5 year for 4mil per.

burns would prob make close to havlats contract on open market maybe a lil more.

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It's in two years. He gets $3.55m this year and next. Fletcher worries about Burns' cap hit IN TWO YEARS.

And yes, you dump Schultz or Barker, or both. If they are going to play on the third pairing for 10 minutes a game and you're up against the cap, you get rid of them. It doesn't matter what you gave up.

Remember, we've got Scandella, Cuma, Prosser, and Falk all fighting for a roster spot as early as this year. If one of the above guys gets schooled in camp IN TWO YEARS, make a trade or waive him.

And one more time, IN TWO YEARS.

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In TWO YEARS, Burns will have been a UFA for a month and a half.

I think the confusion is that you're both saying when Fletch will have to WORRY about Burns. The answer to that question is that he'll have to worry about Burns in ONE YEAR, just like he had to worry about Koivu this offseason. He won't have to worry about the Cap hit, but he'll have to worry about a contract extension.

The point is this... If Burns has a good year, Fletch will have to re-sign him between next offseason and the trade deadline or trade him. If Burns doesn't have a good year, Fletch will have to re-sign him between next offseason and the trade deadline or trade him. The only difference between these two scenarios is the cap hit.

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Prosser? Really? I heard he was terrible in the pre-season. And Stoner has yet to prove he can stay healthy in a game. Zanon could also be traded very quickly.

With those contracts coming off the books; Brunette, Miettinen, we're going to have to find some replacements. Granlund sure, Gilles maybe? Wellman? You also got Madden as well and we don't know how he's going to work out. Kobasew as well.

As for taking a pay cut, Koivu didn't and Rolston bolted.

I think the cap hit will dictate what we decide to do in 13/14. Here's hoping him and Lats break out and we can find a cheap replacement for Brunette.

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Prosser? Really? I heard he was terrible in the pre-season. And Stoner has yet to prove he can stay healthy in a game. Zanon could also be traded very quickly.

With those contracts coming off the books; Brunette, Miettinen, we're going to have to find some replacements. Granlund sure, Gilles maybe? Wellman? You also got Madden as well and we don't know how he's going to work out. Kobasew as well.

As for taking a pay cut, Koivu didn't and Rolston bolted.

I think the cap hit will dictate what we decide to do in 13/14. Here's hoping him and Lats break out and we can find a cheap replacement for Brunette.
Prosser wasn't even on the team at the beginning of the season. He was an unsigned college player. He was mobile and made good passes. He didn't get enough games to see how his defensive play is, though.

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If Burns has a down year he's getting moved the following year.

A big year from Burns will be good for everyone. If we need to give him a raise, so be it, dump Schultz/Barker, bring up Scandella/Cuma, and laugh all the way to the playoffs.

Oh, and that's in two years anyway. Who cares.
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It would be bad for our draft pick. A big year from Burns is basically our only hope at a playoff spot.

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I'd say Backstrom, but Burns is up there too.

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