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If Emery was healthy, Flyers win SC?

View Poll Results: If Emery was healthy, Flyers win SC?
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08-18-2010, 02:07 PM
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If Emery was healthy, Flyers win SC?

What do you think?










For those that vote yes and not sure. Do you give Holmgren credit, now? I mean on paper, Emery is better than Leighton so we had a solid chance right form the start. Wrong? Right?


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Who knows?

We rode a hot goaltender(s) through the playoffs. If Emery, or any other goalie, was hot at the time we could have. But who knows?

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Who knows?

We rode a hot goaltender(s) through the playoffs. If Emery, or any other goalie, was hot at the time we could have. But who knows?
We did?

Who else belives that? I know, I do not.

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People will try to argue it (especially the Kane goal), but I think Leighton played phenomenal for most of the playoffs. Could Emery have kept up with that? Or played better? As Pikachu said, impossible to know.

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We did?

Who else belives that? I know, I do not.
I believe it.

On the subject of the title, if we're talking playing Emery only in the finals, then I believe so. If we're talking playoffs, maybe, maybe not. We had two goalies get hot at the right time, and one get cold at the extremely wrong time. Hell, if Emery played the whole season, it's not likely, but there's a chance we may not have even made the playoffs.

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We did?

Who else belives that? I know, I do not.
So you saying they weren't playing above their normal level?

It seemed they played far above the norm, until the finals.

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Emery > Leighton and we almost pulled a miracle with Leighton in net. I said yes.

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If we're assuming it's the good Emery, probably.

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If we're assuming it's the good Emery, probably.
It also depends on clarification with the question.

Define "healthy." Are we talking "before first injury of the season" or "before avascular necrosis?"

Two completely different answers on my end.

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So you saying they weren't playing above their normal level?

It seemed they played far above the norm, until the finals.
Boucher was good against Devils he made some good saves. He was hot. I’ll go with you on that. He was hot because he sucked very badly during regular season. He did what normally a solid starter would do and honestly I did not expect it from him. Boosh did not give up soft goals and made saves when he had too.

Against Boston he was.. hmmmm ok. Got injured Leighton started. Mike was also just ok but was much better in game 6 and looked soft in game 7, 1st period team pulled it off and our coaching was top notch as well as out best players were actually our best players.

Against Habs, Flyers as a team gave nothing to Habs. Not a damn thing. It was men against boys. Habs were embarrassed like Flyers were embarrassed years ago against Sens when Cechmanek was our starter. I give Leighton credit, he was square to every shot.

Against Hawks, Leighton was very much below average and that last goal against Kane was flat out ****ing disgusting.

This is how I saw it. Maybe it is hot?

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If the questionis that the flyers were already in the finals and if emery was healthy do they beat the hawks? Yes i think they do.

If the question is if he was healthy and played all year? Impossible to tell as the seedings would have been much different, maybe the flyers dont even make the playoffs.

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Boucher was good against Devils he made some good saves. He was hot. Iíll go with you on that. He was hot because he sucked very badly during regular season. He did what normally a solid starter would do and honestly I did not expect it from him. Boosh did not give up soft goals and made saves when he had too.

Against Boston he was.. hmmmm ok. Got injured Leighton started. Mike was also just ok but was much better in game 6 and looked soft in game 7, 1st period team pulled it off and our coaching was top notch as well as out best players were actually our best players.

Against Habs, Flyers as a team gave nothing to Habs. Not a damn thing. It was men against boys. Habs were embarrassed like Flyers were embarrassed years ago against Sens when Cechmanek was our starter. I give Leighton credit, he was square to every shot.

Against Hawks, Leighton was very much below average and that last goal against Kane was flat out ****ing disgusting.

This is how I saw it. Maybe it is hot?
3 shutouts against the Habs in conference finals says a lot.

He was hot. But eventually everyone who gets hot peters out. Just happened to be in the finals.

And Kane's last goal was a fluke to me more than bad goaltending. Every goalie one time or another will not fully cover the post. Most of the time they do, whether it's from exhaustion or whatever, it happens. Kane threw it on and snuck through. Every goalie's given up a goal like that at one point of their NHL career. Leighton just did it at a valuable moment.

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08-18-2010, 03:04 PM
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3 shutouts against the Habs in conference finals says a lot.

He was hot. But eventually everyone who gets hot peters out. Just happened to be in the finals.
So was Lalime hot in 01-02 or Flyers played like **** in playoffs aginst Sens? By the way Lalime was a much better goalie. Still, was he hot?

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And Kane's last goal was a fluke to me more than bad goaltending. Every goalie one time or another will not fully cover the post. Most of the time they do, whether it's from exhaustion or whatever, it happens. Kane threw it on and snuck through. Every goalie's given up a goal like that at one point of their NHL career. Leighton just did it at a valuable moment.
Of course it was. It was an accident. Nobodies fault.


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While it's impossible to say for sure, the way Emery played at the beginning of the year pre-injury makes me lean towards yes. I seriously doubt he throws up the dismal save % Leighton did, especially in the finals.

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If the questionis that the flyers were already in the finals and if emery was healthy do they beat the hawks? Yes i think they do.

If the question is if he was healthy and played all year? Impossible to tell as the seedings would have been much different, maybe the flyers dont even make the playoffs.
This, we could of had Wash or the pens in a round instead

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And Kane's last goal was a fluke to me more than bad goaltending. Every goalie one time or another will not fully cover the post. Most of the time they do, whether it's from exhaustion or whatever, it happens. Kane threw it on and snuck through. Every goalie's given up a goal like that at one point of their NHL career. Leighton just did it at a valuable moment.
No, that was bad goaltending at a terribly inopportune moment to have a brain fart and fail to cover not only the post, but to totally lose all compactness and good coverage down low. It was atrocious.

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This, we could of had Wash or the pens in a round instead
Washington and Pittsburgh were not better than us.

I say yes fairly easily.

You only need anyone semi-competent in net for the playoffs and we never run into an issue in Boston and we don't lose the finals to Chicago.

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Washington and Pittsburgh were not better than us.

I say yes fairly easily.

You only need anyone semi-competent in net for the playoffs and we never run into an issue in Boston and we don't lose the finals to Chicago.
Maybe not, but the fact remains that we will never know based upon a 7 game series with them. Crosby has a certain habit of making the flyers look stupid.

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I voted "not sure".

Assuming the first three rounds would've gone mostly the same, I certainly feel Razor would've given us a better shot in the SCF. That said, in responding to the OP's question, no, I don't give Holmgren credit because Razor was a pretty dicey gamble that, even if successful, still left our goalie situation unsettled because Emery was only on a one-year deal.

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Here is a counter question

If you have Emery and Hawks have Johnsson who wins?

People forget we lost a very good top 4 dman for rest of year (Ironically it was in game vs Flyers he suffered what looks to be the career ending injury)

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Emery before the west coast road trip would have (IMO) given the Flyers a better chance to win than Leighton.



...with all do respect to Leighton.

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