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08-19-2010, 11:08 PM
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Our leading scorer from last season for a bunch of nothing basically? not a chance.
WHOA WHOA WHOA, DON'T you understand who Yuir Alexandrov is? Most scouts think he'll be a great NHL'er and could even be better than Hornqvist but on the D end! Paille helps you now, as a potential top six player, plus he was a first rounder and had over thirty points before!! The second round pick, whooooo, that's a second round pick!!

Get it? The whole Hornqvist(sp) thing was a joke to make you realize how brutal your proposals were, and the above is the same. We know how good some of your players are, but apparently you don't know how good some of ours are. Yes, Suter and Weber and the Horner are very good, but so aren't our players, they're not chopped liver. The Bruins are a very good team for a reason. David Krejci is a BIG part of our future, just like your defenseman. Not to mention Boston plays a defensive system where a Selke calibre center like DK is almost important to the D as a Dman.

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08-19-2010, 11:18 PM
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my reaction to your list...

Yes means I agree they are above Suter
Suter is damn good, but come on. He's not better than Markov or especially Keith, and Doughty and Green are pretty debatable IMO. You also overrated Seabrook a lot based on how harsh you were on every other player.

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08-19-2010, 11:22 PM
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I bolded everyone that Suter is better than

and he is easily as valuable as Chara, Myers, and Seabrook
Green>Suter


And there's no way that Suter has more value than Myers or Chara. Maybe Seabrook.

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08-20-2010, 12:43 AM
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Green>Suter


And there's no way that Suter has more value than Myers or Chara. Maybe Seabrook.
Suter > Green
Suter > Seabrook
Suter > Bouwmeester

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08-20-2010, 12:48 AM
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Green>Suter


And there's no way that Suter has more value than Myers or Chara. Maybe Seabrook.
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Suter > Green
Suter > Seabrook
Suter > Bouwmeester
Wrong.

Mike Green takes a lot of flack around here, truth is there are 0 defensemen in the league with the offensive skills he has.

His defenisve liabilities are blown WAY out of proportion on this entire board. He may not be the best in the defensive end, but some people make it look like he is out to lunch cherry picking with OV at the blueline...

Truth is, there is only 1 Mike Green in the NHL, he has put up some amazing numbers for a defenseman and will continue to do so.

Sutter is a great defensemen, but I think right now as of today Mike Green is superior... Sutter may pass him, but he isn't there yet.

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08-20-2010, 01:06 AM
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Suter is damn good, but come on. He's not better than Markov or especially Keith, and Doughty and Green are pretty debatable IMO. You also overrated Seabrook a lot based on how harsh you were on every other player.
I agree with this, particularly Keith and Seabrook. I'd take Suter every day over Green but, in fairness, it's a bit like comparing his skill set to Shea Weber... apples to oranges. Also, in terms of "top 10 value" lists, I'd rank Suter ahead of Lidstrom and Pronger based on the amount of gas left in the tank.

All of the trades proposed from lightening_legwand ("our" side) are brutal IMO. Boston has no use for the parts being offered. I proposed to trade l_l for a minor poster to be named later.

I understand the discussions around Suter and Krejci and, while I think Boston would be crazy to trade DK, I think Suter has more value as an elite d-man... just my personal philosophy on value of d-men vs. forwards (even centers).

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I don't think there's much difference between Keith and Suter, while Keith might be alittle better the difference isn't that much and Suter is better than Markov.

Suter will always be looked at as a lesser defenseman than Shea Weber because of his slap shots and size, when honestly, they're about as even as they come. Both bring different skills to the same job and both are elite.

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08-20-2010, 11:28 AM
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All of these deals are ridiculous from a Bruins perspective.

However, a forward for defenseman swap does make some sense. How about this:

To Boston

Jonathan Blum

To Nashville


Maxime Sauve or Zach Hamill

and

Jamie Arniel

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All of these deals are ridiculous from a Bruins perspective.

However, a forward for defenseman swap does make some sense. How about this:

To Boston

Jonathan Blum

To Nashville


Maxime Sauve or Zach Hamill

and

Jamie Arniel
As a Bruins fan, no way does Nashville do that. A B and a C prospect don't equal an A. You'd have to go with Colborne and it would be more likely that the Predators would counter with Franson. I could be off base there though. And while there's merit to something like that (trading from a position of organizational prospect strength on both sides), you almost never see it happen.

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Wrong.

Mike Green takes a lot of flack around here, truth is there are 0 defensemen in the league with the offensive skills he has.

His defenisve liabilities are blown WAY out of proportion on this entire board. He may not be the best in the defensive end, but some people make it look like he is out to lunch cherry picking with OV at the blueline...

Truth is, there is only 1 Mike Green in the NHL, he has put up some amazing numbers for a defenseman and will continue to do so.

Sutter is a great defensemen, but I think right now as of today Mike Green is superior... Sutter may pass him, but he isn't there yet.
This is the truth.

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08-20-2010, 01:56 PM
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you are interesting...so we can move our best player for your nothing players, but as soon as we want something from your team, we cant do the same thing??...it was a comparison of your brutal trade offer...krejci is not being moved unless something significant comes back...boston is not rebuilding in case you didnt notice.
If you think Krejci is the bruins biggest offensive weapon than you are mistaken my friend. Krejci is not to the bruins what Hornqvist is to the preds.


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Cant take Savard and his 7 mill this year.
Not that I expected you to realize that.

Well Savard has a $4 million cap hit actually
http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=5

Not that I expected you to know that

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Green>Suter


And there's no way that Suter has more value than Myers or Chara. Maybe Seabrook.
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Suter > Green
Suter > Seabrook
Suter > Bouwmeester


IF we talk offense, Green is the best defenseman in the league. But we are talking defense men, and Suter kills Green to pieces on that end, which is really the idea of being a defenseman.... hence "defense" man.

Notice the bolded??

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08-20-2010, 03:13 PM
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If you think Krejci is the bruins biggest offensive weapon than you are mistaken my friend. Krejci is not to the bruins what Hornqvist is to the preds.





Well Savard has a $4 million cap hit actually
http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=5

Not that I expected you to know that
*fail*

I'm sick of trying to correct you all the time.
I'm going to let someone else take this

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If you think Krejci is the bruins biggest offensive weapon than you are mistaken my friend. Krejci is not to the bruins what Hornqvist is to the preds.





Well Savard has a $4 million cap hit actually
http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=5

Not that I expected you to know that
That's a load of lard. Krejci is superior to Hornyqvst

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*fail*

I'm sick of trying to correct you all the time.
I'm going to let someone else take this
I gave you the link, your wrong, sorry

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That's a load of lard. Krejci is superior to Hornyqvst
Well Hornqvist is 2 years younger and had more goals last season!
But my point was that the B's have a wide variety of snipers where as the Preds only really have Horny and hopefully Wilson this season!

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*fail*

I'm sick of trying to correct you all the time.
I'm going to let someone else take this
I got your back
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Well Savard has a $4 million cap hit actually
http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=5

Not that I expected you to know that
Cap hit doesn't matter to the Preds. Only actual salary matters. They operate on an internal budget.

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If you think Krejci is the bruins biggest offensive weapon than you are mistaken my friend. Krejci is not to the bruins what Hornqvist is to the preds.
If you watched the playoffs this year, you would think otherwise.

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Well Hornqvist is 2 years younger and had more goals last season!
But my point was that the B's have a wide variety of snipers where as the Preds only really have Horny and hopefully Wilson this season!
Sooooooo... because Boston has a lot of offensive weapons, they should trade one for some spare parts. That makes soooooooo much sense.

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What would it take to get Savard then??


I have three more BOS/NAS proposals, one for Savard and two for Krejci, what do you think of them??


To Nashville - Savard

To Bruins - Cody Franson and a 2nd round pick





-OR-



To Nashville - Krejci

To Bruins - Jon Blum/Ryan Ellis, Joel Ward, and 2nd round pick

B's get immediate help with Blum or Ellis plus Ward, then a second round pick. Blum and/or Ellis alone could easily wind up being better than Krejci.




-OR-



To Nashville - Krejci, Boychuk and Colborne

To Bruins - Suter, Klein and a 2nd round pick



B's get franchise defenseman, plus asolid top 5 guy in Klein. The Preds get Krejci to Czech mate with Erat and hopefully get more out of Erat with Krejci, then we get Boychuk to ""replace"" (lol) Suter, and we get Colborne which we need bigtime as our forward prospect depth is not as nearly stacked as our defense is.


Thoughts????
I would say yes to the Savard deal (even though the B's already have two 1st's and two 2nd's), easy no to the first Krejci deal, but I'd consider that 3rd deal.

Nashville fans feel Suter is underrated (justifiably) but I think many Boston fans feel Krejci is underrated and about to break out even more than 09 when he put up 73 points and led the league in plus/minus. The B's brass likes him better than Savard. He's still not enough to get Suter 1for1, but maybe if Klein was changed to Blum/Ellis (even if the pick was lowered or dropped) then I'd do that 3rd deal.

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Suter > Green
Suter > Seabrook
Suter > Bouwmeester
A team of mini-Suters would beat the 77 Canadiens in 5 games.

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I got your back


Cap hit doesn't matter to the Preds. Only actual salary matters. They operate on an internal budget.
I tryed to explane that to him in a pm and not make him look stupid.. even when i said click player Sal .. he wrote me back saying im wrong and "I am a hockey genius bud!" ...

not that id expect him to know that


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If you think Krejci is the bruins biggest offensive weapon than you are mistaken my friend. Krejci is not to the bruins what Hornqvist is to the preds.





Well Savard has a $4 million cap hit actually
http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=5

Not that I expected you to know that
There's a difference between salary paid to a player in a given year and cap hit actually.

Not that I expected you to know that.

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Sooooooo... because Boston has a lot of offensive weapons, they should trade one for some spare parts. That makes soooooooo much sense.
I agree with you post .. and trust me im not trying to defend him ..
but can everyone apply this logic to suter and webber ..


"because NSH has a lot of DEF weapons, they should trade one for some spare parts. That makes soooooooo much sense."

Again i agree with ur logic, just wish people used it both ways. (not pointing that at you)

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Well Savard has a $4 million cap hit actually
http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=5

Not that I expected you to know that
would you please stop embarassing yourself or at least change you screenname so nobody thinks you are a preds fan??

any Preds fan knows we dont care about "cap hit" we care about actual cash outlay...

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IF we talk offense, Green is the best defenseman in the league. But we are talking defense men, and Suter kills Green to pieces on that end, which is really the idea of being a defenseman.... hence "defense" man.

Notice the bolded??
If forwards were called offensemen, then it would be like saying:

Right now, Dany Heatley is the better "offenseman" than Jonathan Toews, even though Toews is a better player.

Playing defense is the only idea of being a defenseman? Really? So you'd take Barrett (sp?) Jackman over Mike Green? I mean, come on, Jackman is the better defenseman.

Flawed logic at it's finest.

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