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08-23-2010, 10:06 PM
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I can't get too excited about Frolov because he's probably gonna be gone after this season.

I'm most excited to see what MZA can do, and if his game actually transitions well to the NHL.

League wide? I think one of the best acquisitions was Gagne. If he stays healthy, we could see a Vinny Lecavalier renaissance season.

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08-23-2010, 10:28 PM
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You guys are kidding yourselves if you think MZA will be good in his first year, if ever. Remember Pikkarainen? Ambuhl? Jamtin? Heikkinen? Denisov? Gilroy? Pock? I wouldn't be surprised if he never makes the NHL.

The moves we made will prevent us from finishing 30th, and there is still a good likelihood of that. we now have 4 bottom-six centers, one top-six wing who plays 1 out of 10 games, an all-in-all bad defense (again), a $2M goon, a serviceable back-up, and a 40-goal scorer and top-3 NHL goalie. And why does anyone think the younger players will be any better? What lead do they have to follow? Drury's legacy of intangibility? I for one don't think we made any meaningful moves... we just have to wait 2 more seasons till we can unload our bums.

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You guys are kidding yourselves if you think MZA will be good in his first year, if ever. Remember Pikkarainen? Ambuhl? Jamtin? Heikkinen? Denisov? Gilroy? Pock? I wouldn't be surprised if he never makes the NHL.
I don't THINK he'll be good, but I'm excited to see. I love watching players try to make it in a new league and observing how they cope with the challenges. I just wish I didn't have to do it so much with the Rangers, and with such a low rate of success.

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You guys are kidding yourselves if you think MZA will be good in his first year, if ever. Remember Pikkarainen? Ambuhl? Jamtin? Heikkinen? Denisov? Gilroy? Pock? I wouldn't be surprised if he never makes the NHL.

The moves we made will prevent us from finishing 30th, and there is still a good likelihood of that. we now have 4 bottom-six centers, one top-six wing who plays 1 out of 10 games, an all-in-all bad defense (again), a $2M goon, a serviceable back-up, and a 40-goal scorer and top-3 NHL goalie. And why does anyone think the younger players will be any better? What lead do they have to follow? Drury's legacy of intangibility? I for one don't think we made any meaningful moves... we just have to wait 2 more seasons till we can unload our bums.
Aasen doesn't compare to any of those guys skill-wise and impact wise. He's made an impact in the league he was in.

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08-23-2010, 11:00 PM
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Aasen doesn't compare to any of those guys skill-wise and impact wise. He's made an impact in the league he was in.
So did Gilroy and Ambuhl. Even Jamtin to an extent. I'm not arguing with you, I think MZA is more talented than that list of players, but these players did have an impact on their respective teams in their respective leagues. Pock wasn't too bad of an offensive d-man either. Just had nothing else.

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08-23-2010, 11:27 PM
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So did Gilroy and Ambuhl. Even Jamtin to an extent. I'm not arguing with you, I think MZA is more talented than that list of players, but these players did have an impact on their respective teams in their respective leagues. Pock wasn't too bad of an offensive d-man either. Just had nothing else.
I think Aasen was playing @ a higher level than all those other names(especially Gilroy & Pock) with the likes of Forsberg and Naslund in the same league. Gilroy's impact was at the collegiate level and that doesn't say much. Yes he did win the hobey baker, however many hobey baker winners never make it to the NHL. In fact , I think most don't.

Aasen also got props from two very established one time nhl super-stars in Forsberg and Naslund. Personally, I don't think that's something to shrug off.

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He's made an impact in the league he was in.
You should check out the list of players that have made an impact in that league. It's a who's who of who the heck.

I sure hope he can have a career in the NHL. But seeing what he brings, it's so hard to imagine. But I hope I'm wrong.

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08-24-2010, 12:18 AM
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You should check out the list of players that have made an impact in that league. It's a who's who of who the heck.

I sure hope he can have a career in the NHL. But seeing what he brings, it's so hard to imagine. But I hope I'm wrong.
That list of players...did they make an impact similar to what Aasen did? Do they have the skill-set an Aasen has? Were they praised by two hockey greats in Forsberg and Naslund? Like I said. Making an impact is just the initial step to get recognition, receiving praise from all-star /hall of fame individuals is another thing. We can all sit here and say big deal, but the two players who praised Aasen are a big deal. They know this game inside/out

Put that aside and look at Aasen without any commentary and speculation surrounding his play and what he's done. I personally see a very talented individual who is magical w/ the puck. Someone who is relentless and that aspect may be what makes or breaks his game at the nhl level b/c of his limited size.

Aasen racked up 104 pts in 90 games playing in the swedish league. Abuhl comes no where near that. Gilroy at his collegiate level played less talented idividuals. Pock's defensive game was putrid. None of the other names mentioned a few posts above have ever established themselves to the extent Aasen has done in not only in the swedish league but also in the olympics. I'm not buying any of those comparisons to Pikirainnen, Gilroy, Abuhl, Pock, etc. I find them way off base.

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That list of players...did they make an impact similar to what Aasen did? Do they have the skill-set an Aasen has? Were they praised by two hockey greats in Forsberg and Naslund? Like I said. Making an impact is just the initial step to get recognition, receiving praise from all-star /hall of fame individuals is another thing. We can all sit here and say big deal, but the two players who praised Aasen are a big deal. They know this game inside/out

Put that aside and look at Aasen without any commentary and speculation surrounding his play and what he's done. I personally see a very talented individual who is magical w/ the puck. Someone who is relentless and that aspect may be what makes or breaks his game at the nhl level b/c of his limited size.

Aasen racked up 104 pts in 90 games playing in the swedish league. Abuhl comes no where near that. Gilroy at his collegiate level played less talented idividuals. Pock's defensive game was putrid. None of the other names mentioned a few posts above have ever established themselves to the extent Aasen has done in not only in the swedish league but also in the olympics. I'm not buying any of those comparisons to Pikirainnen, Gilroy, Abuhl, Pock, etc. I find them way off base.
Your assessment is accurate. I think the biggest issue for MZA's initial impact will be confidence. Confidence has a big role in the effectiveness of his "relentless" play. If he's confident, the relentlessness comes naturally without even thinking. If he's feeling bad about his game and down on himself (which I've heard from those who know him better than I do, is the opposite of MZA's mental character in general, which is great to hear) then the relentlessness can turn into recklessness, turnovers, and getting caught out of position. Honestly, my only question is HOW SOON he's going to start having a major impact. It's not a question of if; merely WHEN. "Magical" is the right word to describe him. He's similar to Gaborik in his around-the-net play and deceptiveness but he's also I think got softer hands with the puck and while Gaborik is a shoot-first kind of player, MZA is more balanced in terms of shooting and passing. Since size comparisons are always made, MZA is without a doubt more St. Louis than Gionta. He's very shifty and an incredibly quick-thinker. If he's confident, then I see him making the adjustment to the bigger, faster NHL almost seamlessly. He IS that good. I have a feeling by December, there won't even be an argument on here that he's our second most skilled forward (yes, ahead of Frolov, who i LOVE). Call me an optimist, but MZA is the real deal, trust me.

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08-24-2010, 02:35 AM
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I think MZA takes a year or two to fully develop and adapt to an entire season (not just the Olympics) of NHL type of play, and then becomes a perennial 25-30 goal scorer. If he doesn't, he goes back to the SEL. I'd be more than happy if this came true (the 25-30 goal part ). I'd say he even has the potential to easily pot over 30, but that could just be hope.

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Your assessment is accurate. I think the biggest issue for MZA's initial impact will be confidence. Confidence has a big role in the effectiveness of his "relentless" play. If he's confident, the relentlessness comes naturally without even thinking. If he's feeling bad about his game and down on himself (which I've heard from those who know him better than I do, is the opposite of MZA's mental character in general, which is great to hear) then the relentlessness can turn into recklessness, turnovers, and getting caught out of position. Honestly, my only question is HOW SOON he's going to start having a major impact. It's not a question of if; merely WHEN. "Magical" is the right word to describe him. He's similar to Gaborik in his around-the-net play and deceptiveness but he's also I think got softer hands with the puck and while Gaborik is a shoot-first kind of player, MZA is more balanced in terms of shooting and passing. Since size comparisons are always made, MZA is without a doubt more St. Louis than Gionta. He's very shifty and an incredibly quick-thinker. If he's confident, then I see him making the adjustment to the bigger, faster NHL almost seamlessly. He IS that good. I have a feeling by December, there won't even be an argument on here that he's our second most skilled forward (yes, ahead of Frolov, who i LOVE). Call me an optimist, but MZA is the real deal, trust me.
We see eye to eye on this matter. I too think he's going to be a player. He's our Girardi...St Louis etc in forward position. Going undrafted yet being a stellar pickup.

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Zuccarello, Frolov & McDonagh.

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Rangers-McDonagh, MZA, and Stepan.
In 2-3 years all should be solid contributors on the NHL level.

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Would be Frolov should I never know what they did to Z. Thus, none for NYR, no excitement yet.
Kovalchuk should be for NHL, but, again, no excitement yet for the obvious reasons.

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Biron actually.

I think if he pans out and regains his form while spelling Lundqvist for 20+ games it will do wonders for this teams chances.

Honorable mention: Stepan

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Girardi, at least until Staal signs. I'm a fan of building from within.

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Pretty interested to see how Frolov does. He could have a very good season and make the Rangers much more watchable and interesting this year. Beyond that...hard to say if they'll manage to keep him, though it doesn't particularly look good at the moment.

Long term, MZA and McDonagh. MZA would be very important if he can become a top six player.

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I don't THINK he'll be good, but I'm excited to see. I love watching players try to make it in a new league and observing how they cope with the challenges. I just wish I didn't have to do it so much with the Rangers, and with such a low rate of success.
fair enough, and exactly - i'm basing this off the past... we always sign hotly pursued FAs and it hasn't come to fruition ever (outside Girardi). maybe we're thinking he (MZA) will be our St. Louis. chances there are .1/19178978101.99. we always get these guys and they never make the nhl, so why will MZA be different? give him a chance, sure, and if he wins the calder, remember me as a naysayer...

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Most excited about Biron, and Frolov. If we have them last year, we make playoffs.

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Most excited about Biron, and Frolov. If we have them last year, we make playoffs.
Agreed 100%. Frolov @ 3mil >>>>>>>> Kotalik @ 3mil and Biron@pennies >>>>>>> vally/ocho/auld@pennies.

While I must admit that more then anything I am excited just for hockey to be starting, I think MZA is #1 on my "players to watch" list. He will be top 5 in rookie scoring, 100% certainy.

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Biron was, by far, the best signing of the offseason.

Honorable mention to the Frolov signing, although he comes with a lot of baggage. MZA is TBD.

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fair enough, and exactly - i'm basing this off the past... we always sign hotly pursued FAs and it hasn't come to fruition ever (outside Girardi). maybe we're thinking he (MZA) will be our St. Louis. chances there are .1/19178978101.99. we always get these guys and they never make the nhl, so why will MZA be different? give him a chance, sure, and if he wins the calder, remember me as a naysayer...
MZA isn't going to be "our" St. Louis, and he won't win the Calder. But that doesn't mean he can't end up being a good player for the Rangers.

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Agreed 100%. Frolov @ 3mil >>>>>>>> Kotalik @ 3mil and Biron@pennies >>>>>>> vally/ocho/auld@pennies.

While I must admit that more then anything I am excited just for hockey to be starting, I think MZA is #1 on my "players to watch" list. He will be top 5 in rookie scoring, 100% certainy.
This summer seems extra long considering the Rangers miss out on the PO's.

I havent even given MZA much thought simply because I want to force myself to have low expectations going into camp with him. Same with Frolov in regards to the season. What happens happens with these two. It'll be interesting to see. MZA is a huge question mark and the range of his success or failure in this league is extremely wide IMO.

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