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08-24-2010, 10:16 AM
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Which team has had the richest tradition on defense?

I think this would be an easy one to give to Boston.

Orr, Shore, Bourque are all top-5. Then there's Clapper, Park, Hitchman, Hollett, and now Chara. I'm definitely missing more than a few from the annals of history but Boston has almost definitely got this one.

Who else?

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08-24-2010, 10:35 AM
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Boston.

By a good stretch.

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I would have to say Boston for sure number 1. Another good team which would have a great all time top 6 would be the Flames: McCinnis, Suter, Housley, Phaneuf, Regehr, Bouwmeester. This is no way close to number 1 just a great top 6.

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Well I'm assuming the rest of the thread would be the debate over #2.

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What about Devils? Sure nowhere near the top 1, but...

Fetisov-Kasatonov
Niedermayer-Daneyko
Stevens-Rafalski
Albelin

Not bad for 30 years old team comparing to some teams from O6.

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Top level talent is Boston, but overall depth of talent I'd give to the Habs.

For instance, I think Boston's 6 best > Montreal's 6 best, but Montreal's 20 best > Boston's 20 best.

I think in terms of a top 6/7, the Habs are a clear #2 after Boston.

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Top level talent is Boston, but overall depth of talent I'd give to the Habs.

For instance, I think Boston's 6 best > Montreal's 6 best, but Montreal's 20 best > Boston's 20 best.

I think in terms of a top 6/7, the Habs are a clear #2 after Boston.
Detroit is most likely the unanimous #3:

Lidstrom - Kelly
Stewart - Goodfellow
Pronovost - Quakenbush

Konstantinov, Coffey, Fetisov, Reise, Goldham, Murphy, Hollet

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Top level talent is Boston, but overall depth of talent I'd give to the Habs.

For instance, I think Boston's 6 best > Montreal's 6 best, but Montreal's 20 best > Boston's 20 best.

I think in terms of a top 6/7, the Habs are a clear #2 after Boston.
Agreed.

Harvey-Robinson
Savard-Lapointe
Laperriere-Bouchard

Laviolette, Hall, Cleghorn, Gardiner, Mantha, Siebert, Reardon, Johnson, Langway, Chelios (all present or future HOF'ers).

Harmon, Talbot, Tremblay, Harris, Engblom (all at one point in their Montreal career first or second team NHL all-stars).

I think that an interesting debate could be had at #3 with Detroit and Toronto, much like the Bruins and the Canadiens - the Red Wings probably have a higher top end and the Leafs maybe have more depth.

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What about Devils? Sure nowhere near the top 1, but...

Fetisov-Kasatonov
Niedermayer-Daneyko
Stevens-Rafalski
Albelin

Not bad for 30 years old team comparing to some teams from O6.
Fetisov sucked in NJ and Kasatonov was nothing special. But I guess if you are doing "best defensemen who played for the franchise," it works. YOu could also add Housley over Rafalski, even though he sucked far worse than Fetisov.

Though I must say it does annoy me to see Niedermayer-Daneyko over Stevens-Rafalski

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Yeah Boston for sure. 3/4 of the best d-men are Bruins. Then there's Clapper, Park even go as far as Hollett.

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Fetisov sucked in NJ and Kasatonov was nothing special. But I guess if you are doing "best defensemen who played for the franchise," it works. YOu could also add Housley over Rafalski, even though he sucked far worse than Fetisov.

Though I must say it does annoy me to see Niedermayer-Daneyko over Stevens-Rafalski
it was wrote as it comes out of my mind... of course, when we are talking about primes, new jersey is out of this poll

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Philadelphia Flyers?

I think it's pretty clear it's Boston followed by Montreal.

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Yeah Boston for sure. 3/4 of the best d-men are Bruins. Then there's Clapper, Park even go as far as Hollett.
3/4... thats wrong.. Potvin never played for the Bruins.

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3/4... thats wrong.. Potvin never played for the Bruins.
Shore, Orr, Bourque?
And then Harvey to complete the 4.

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3/4... thats wrong.. Potvin never played for the Bruins.
Unless you rate Potvin ahead of Bourque and most of us on here don't since Bourque's case is just too compelling. Potvin is generally considered #5 of all-time and depending on who you ask, #6 with Lidstrom stealing his spot now

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I would have to say Boston for sure number 1. Another good team which would have a great all time top 6 would be the Flames: McCinnis, Suter, Housley, Phaneuf, Regehr, Bouwmeester. This is no way close to number 1 just a great top 6.
Yeah it would be good as long as you keep phanuef and housley on seperate lines, lol. McCinnis and Regehr would be a solid pair though.

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I think this would be an easy one to give to Boston.

Orr, Shore, Bourque are all top-5. Then there's Clapper, Park, Hitchman, Hollett, and now Chara. I'm definitely missing more than a few from the annals of history but Boston has almost definitely got this one.

Who else?
Just going to throw out all the guys I can think of....

Bill Queckenbush, Fern Flaman, Leo Boivin, Pat Egan, Jack Crawford, George Owen, Sprague Cleghorn, Dallas Smith, Don Awrey, Ted Green, Glen Wesley, Carol Vadnais, Dick Redmond, Allan Stanley, Tom Johnson, Lloyd Cook, Billy Coutu, Babe Siebert, Joe Jerwa, Al Shields....

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Yeah Boston is historically stacked on defense to a far greater degree than any other team.

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Unless you rate Potvin ahead of Bourque and most of us on here don't since Bourque's case is just too compelling. Potvin is generally considered #5 of all-time and depending on who you ask, #6 with Lidstrom stealing his spot now
I rate Potvin ahead of Bourque and Lidström.

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I think that an interesting debate could be had at #3 with Detroit and Toronto, much like the Bruins and the Canadiens - the Red Wings probably have a higher top end and the Leafs maybe have more depth.
Agreed. The Leafs don't have a Kelly or a Lidstrom, but their depth is impressive:

Horton, Salming, Cameron, Stanley, Clancy, Day, McKenny, Mortson, Baun, Brewer, Barilko, Horner, Kaberle, Turnbull, McCabe, Pronovost, Thompson

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Fetisov sucked in NJ and Kasatonov was nothing special. But I guess if you are doing "best defensemen who played for the franchise," it works. YOu could also add Housley over Rafalski, even though he sucked far worse than Fetisov.

Though I must say it does annoy me to see Niedermayer-Daneyko over Stevens-Rafalski
You really were not that impressed with Nieds eh?

Also I'm not sure that we put Boston over Montreal or even Detroit if we run an all time team with 12 forwards 6 Dmen and 2 goalies.

Detroit and Montreal have a really good overall top 6 compared to Boston who have the Big 3 I know but the bottom 3 might not be as good as the bottom 3 in Montreal's and Detroit, who also have pretty decent top 3 Dmen as well..

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Its hilarious how Boston takes it by having 3 of the top 5, and yet Montreal has arguably the other 2 in Robinson and Harvey haha. Boston definitely gets this one though.

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Boston has the top 3, yes but I dont think they are way ahead of Montreal or Detroit when you think of the rest of the defensemen. All pretty close but maybe you can give Boston a small edge because of the top3.

Detroit has Gadsby, Salming, Lidström, Murphy, Coffey, Fetisov, McCrimmon, Goodfellow, Pronovost, Quackenbush, Herbie Lewis, Red Kelly.

Montreal has Harvey, Robinson, Savard, Lapointe, Laperriere, Bouchard, Laviolette, Hall, Cleghorn, Gardiner, Mantha, Siebert, Reardon, Johnson, Langway, Chelios.

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Boston has the top 3, yes but I dont think they are way ahead of Montreal or Detroit when you think of the rest of the defensemen. All pretty close but maybe you can give Boston a small edge because of the top3.

Detroit has Gadsby, Salming, Lidström, Murphy, Coffey, Fetisov, McCrimmon, Goodfellow, Pronovost, Quackenbush, Herbie Lewis, Red Kelly.

Montreal has Harvey, Robinson, Savard, Lapointe, Laperriere, Bouchard, Laviolette, Hall, Cleghorn, Gardiner, Mantha, Siebert, Reardon, Johnson, Langway, Chelios.
A case could be made for Montreal, but I don't think there is any way Detroit could be placed ahead of Boston. Most of the players mentioned for Detroit played their best hockey for other teams, while Montreal and Boston's best defencemen all played their best hockey in those respective cities, with Brad Park for Boston being a possible exception. Outside of Lidstrom and Kelly Detroit is not exceptional in terms of all time defencemen.

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Boston has the top 3, yes but I dont think they are way ahead of Montreal or Detroit when you think of the rest of the defensemen. All pretty close but maybe you can give Boston a small edge because of the top3.

Detroit has Salming,

Stop right there. Salming is a Leaf to the end and it is forgetful and regretful that he finished his career as a still competent NHL defenseman in Detroit.

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