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08-23-2010, 03:30 PM
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And now I'm out of ideas on worse than Homer GM's.
Sather is a much better trader then Holmgren is. Case in point the Gomez trade. They both have no clue how to handle the salary cap.
I cant imagine how Holmgren would have handled the Gomez trade but I would guess it would involve giving Montreal draft picks without even negotiating.

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Actually, believe I left Nodl off that count.
yes you did, if my post prior to this is correct

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Sather is a much better trader then Holmgren is. Case in point the Gomez trade. They both have no clue how to handle the salary cap.
I cant imagine how Holmgren would have handled the Gomez trade but I would guess it would involve giving Montreal draft picks without even negotiating.
I think it depends what type of trade you're talking about. Holmgren excels when you're talking about younger players and prospects, IMO. He struggles when you're talking about more established players with actual cap ramifications in play.

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I think it depends what type of trade you're talking about. Holmgren excels when you're talking about younger players and prospects, IMO. He struggles when you're talking about more established players with actual cap ramifications in play.
except for the Eminger trade I would tend to agree. its the reason i used the Gomez trade as a example. I dont even think Holmgren knows how to negotiate when trading for or trading players with contracts. Its almost like he looks at the first offer and takes it because he doesnt want to waste his time.

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This has been beat to death. I am one of his few consistent supporters here I think but I cannot defend what he has done this season. How valuable is Meszaros? Why was he SO quick to commit to an ineffective goaltending tandem?

If we don't sign Mezsaros, Leighton and Shelly, that $6.75M, likely enough to have retained Gagne and signed Niemi. The Niemi thing was not entirely foreseeable not was it entirely unforeseeable and either way there were several similar goalies with better upside than Leighton changing hands.

If not Gagne, OK, someone else in his place or retain flexibility for the season. We only saved some cap space, which we wasted, in the Gagne deal. Matt Walker's contract will actually cost the ownership slightly MORE than the final year of Gagne's deal.

This offseason has been a nightmare, there is no sugarcoating it. Previously I have liked almost every move he has made apart from the Briere signing and I honestly think that came down from the top level anyway.

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He's better than internet people say. He's not the greatest GM ever but we could have much worse.
Absolutely correct on every point.The world of Internet people is fantasy. The professionals who work in the professional hockey industry day in and out give Holmgen his props. He is not the best GM in the league but yes we could do worse

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we could do worse, yes

...but id rather do better

let 'em go Ed

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If you ever want to feel better about homer, pretend that stevens is the gm for a minute. Good luck not screaming!

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The world of Internet people is fantasy
Do you think that Paul Holmgren is denied internet access?

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Do you think that Paul Holmgren is denied internet access?
Do you think for a second he gives a rats ass about what we think Come on get real.

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I was a fan of alot of his moves over the past few years, until this offseason.

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Do you think for a second he gives a rats ass about what we think Come on get real.
You didn't answer my question. I don't give a rats ass about what Homer gives a rats ass about.

If "the world of internet people is fantasy", and Homer uses the internet, then is he just like the rest of us, walking around this fantasy world as some fictional character?

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Warning: This opinion is a dead horse.

To me, the inability to upgrade goaltending this off-season is the new benchmark of ineptness. More goaltenders than positions, a SC finalist whose greatest weakness was goaltending, several solid UFAs. There have been so many wonderful analogies concocted on this board to illustrate the absolute futility of a) not improving goaltending, even though Holmgren himself identified it as a top priority, b) overindulging in defensemen, including one with a multi-year, multimillion dollar contract, c) overpaying for an unnecessary enforcer, and d) dealing away the longest-standing and much valued Flyer for negative value.

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