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Why doesn't IIHF give the TV rights to ESPN or ESPN2?

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05-08-2010, 09:21 PM
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The NHL really needs to make a world cup of hockey. That way they can have a major tournament and put it where they want and decide who broadcasts it.
Meanwhile in the real world, only Canadians care about the World Cup. No one else.

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05-08-2010, 10:57 PM
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Not if they promote it around the world.

It would gain more prestige if they stopped going to the Olympics. It would be the new pinnacle of hockey. Something that the IIHF cannot replicate.

And the best part, the NHL keeps all revenue. It will happen soon.

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Not if they promote it around the world.

It would gain more prestige if they stopped going to the Olympics. It would be the new pinnacle of hockey. Something that the IIHF cannot replicate.

And the best part, the NHL keeps all revenue. It will happen soon.
The Stanley Cup is the pinnacle of hockey and always will be. At least for hockey players who strive for the highest goals. The only way the Cup would be supersceded is by the Olympics. It will never be the World Championships

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Some people only care about the NHL. Some people don't care about the NHL at all. Some care about the WCH and the NHL. Arguing what's important or not is futile unless you present sustainable numbers. One thing is for sure even without numbers though: that old argument "Nobody cares about x" is plain wrong for pretty much any competition. It's just a very predictable excuse for real or potential bad performances.

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ESPN "sports" programming

Fair point, that most "sports" fans wouldn't know the USA players.

But would those numbers really be less than those who know who world class poker players, WNBA stars, or college softball players are? Not to mention the afternoon/early evening "sports talk" shows with characters like Kornheiser, Colin Cowherd, the woman with him, and that other one with the people in eight different locales that's supposed to be some type of hard-hitting "sports journalism"?

Much like MTV stopped being about music a long time ago, calling ESPN a "sports network" is really stretching things.

You think that somewhere on American TV there would have been an audience for the tournament.



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I've wanted to watch the IIHF World Championships for YEARS but it's never on TV in North America which is a JOKE!

At least Versus should pick it up!

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Meanwhile in the real world, only Canadians care about the World Cup. No one else.
I wouldn't go that far. Nothing can compare to the 87 Canada Cup with Lemieux/Gretezky/Messier vs. Krutov/Larionov/Makarov but international hockey is still the best hockey out there!

Let's just hope the Russians don't SUCK **** next time!!

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If the IIHF chose one day to host it in the United States I think you might see ESPN take a look at it.
It was in Quebec a couple years ago but they still didn't care!!


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Worlds have been being shown on NBC's Universal Sports the last few years.

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atlanta should host, god knows they wont make the playoffs

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Meanwhile in the real world, only Canadians care about the World Cup. No one else.
The irony here of course being that European fans call North American hockey viewers ignorant and jerks for not embracing the World Championships, but its fine for European fans for some reason to slag the World Cup, despite the fact that its exciting hockey with all the best players in the world.

I guess hypocrisy can be found everywhere there.

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The irony here of course being that European fans call North American hockey viewers ignorant and jerks for not embracing the World Championships, but its fine for European fans for some reason to slag the World Cup, despite the fact that its exciting hockey with all the best players in the world.

I guess hypocrisy can be found everywhere there.
Except that his points do have validity. The World Cup has been suffering since it doesn't have much of a profile outside of Canada.

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I wouldn't go that far. Nothing can compare to the 87 Canada Cup with Lemieux/Gretezky/Messier vs. Krutov/Larionov/Makarov but international hockey is still the best hockey out there!
Different times back then. No cold war, other sports have become bigger, media interest outside of the top 6-7 is a lot smaller than before.

World Championships are like two week Mardi Gras for European fans, it does't matter much to them, at home or to those attending the games, what leagues the players come from. The fans are there to get drunk and support their country, the same applies to the fans in front of their tvs, though they also spend a lot of time complaining about their team on message boards.

Considering the amount of posts the Soccer section got before the EPL start, I'd be willing to bet that if there is a World Cup in 2012, that section will still get lot of interest, if not more. Personally, Team Finland is expected to suck then, games are likely to be on pay tv in the middle of the might -> ManU's games will get more interest from me. Not to mention that the sports calendar that year will already have seen the Euro 2012 June 8th - July 1st and the London Olympic Games July 27th - August 12th. No one (outside of Canada) is going to care about a hockey tournament in August/September after those.


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Except that his points do have validity. The World Cup has been suffering since it doesn't have much of a profile outside of Canada.
He's right in that its mostly people in Canada don't care about it, but the reasons are just as invalid as the reasons for people in North America not enjoying the World Championships.

If you like hockey, and you like international hockey, both of these tournaments offer just that. Good international hockey. Complain all you want about "validity" and "what the tourney proves", a true fan doesn't really care and just sits back and enjoys it.

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He's right in that its mostly people in Canada don't care about it, but the reasons are just as invalid as the reasons for people in North America not enjoying the World Championships.

If you like hockey, and you like international hockey, both of these tournaments offer just that. Good international hockey. Complain all you want about "validity" and "what the tourney proves", a true fan doesn't really care and just sits back and enjoys it.
World Cup just isn't that good hockey anymore. Last World Cup was really inferior hockey compared to e.g. 2008 and 2009 Worlds.

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thats because the last world cup was the last hurrah of clutch and grab boring ass trap hockey

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thats because the last world cup was the last hurrah of clutch and grab boring ass trap hockey
No, it was because they players were in pre-training camp for, out of shape or just out of surgery or in need of one (aka Finland's first line).

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No, it was because they players were in pre-training camp for, out of shape or just out of surgery or in need of one (aka Finland's first line).
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Worlds have been being shown on NBC's Universal Sports the last few years.
But nobody gets that channel!!

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World Cup just isn't that good hockey anymore. Last World Cup was really inferior hockey compared to e.g. 2008 and 2009 Worlds.
That is because of it's before the season. If it was say after the NHL playoffs or in the middle of the season it would be better hockey than WHC because it would have the best players, not just the playoff failures.

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That is because of it's before the season. If it was say after the NHL playoffs or in the middle of the season it would be better hockey than WHC because it would have the best players, not just the playoff failures.
Yes but we all know a World Cup wouldn't be organized in the middle of the season. Owners would have the same issues as with the Olympics.

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Yes but we all know a World Cup wouldn't be organized in the middle of the season. Owners would have the same issues as with the Olympics.
I think it is possible, they went to the Vancouver and Salt Lake Olympics in the middle of the year even though NHL doesn't make any money from them. World Cup revenue would go to the NHL and it would likely be in NA most of the time keeping the tournament length down. This would be even easier to do if the NHL moved the All-star game to before the NHL season (or ditched it in WC years) since it doesn't matter and the players don't need to be a 100% to play it, giving the NHL more room to fit it in the schedule. The league could also consider starting the season a little earlier (say a week or so) to spread out the games a little better in WC years to lower the amount injuries and allocate more time to WC schedule.

The NHL has some opinions if they wanted to do this. With that said I think the Olympics will be the only international event that will be so highly regarded, WC and WHC can't challenge it. They won't likely even get full participation in those events and the Olympic champion will always be considered the true champion, I think (as long as NHL continues to go). I do think a World Cup would be closer to that than the World Hockey Championship though.

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I think it is possible, they went to the Vancouver and Salt Lake Olympics in the middle of the year even though NHL doesn't make any money from them. World Cup revenue would go to the NHL and it would likely be in NA most of the time keeping the tournament length down. This would be even easier to do if the NHL moved the All-star game to before the NHL season (or ditched it in WC years) since it doesn't matter and the players don't need to be a 100% to play it, giving the NHL more room to fit it in the schedule. The league could also consider starting the season a little earlier (say a week or so) to spread out the games a little better in WC years to lower the amount injuries and allocate more time to WC schedule.

The NHL has some opinions if they wanted to do this. With that said I think the Olympics will be the only international event that will be so highly regarded, WC and WHC can't challenge it. They won't likely even get full participation in those events and the Olympic champion will always be considered the true champion, I think (as long as NHL continues to go). I do think a World Cup would be closer to that than the World Hockey Championship though.
The Olympics are another thing, of course palyers go to there. But World Cup in the middle of the season and held only in North America? Fat chance of getting the Europeans to go along with that. And scheduling would be impossible for games to be played in different continents.

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The NHL has some opinions if they wanted to do this. With that said I think the Olympics will be the only international event that will be so highly regarded, WC and WHC can't challenge it. They won't likely even get full participation in those events and the Olympic champion will always be considered the true champion, I think (as long as NHL continues to go). I do think a World Cup would be closer to that than the World Hockey Championship though.
If played mid-season, the World Cup would have as many declines as the World Championships. I think many players would love to have 1-2 weeks off mid-season to heal injuries, rest, etc.

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Different times back then. No cold war, other sports have become bigger, media interest outside of the top 6-7 is a lot smaller than before.

World Championships are like two week Mardi Gras for European fans, it does't matter much to them, at home or to those attending the games, what leagues the players come from. The fans are there to get drunk and support their country, the same applies to the fans in front of their tvs, though they also spend a lot of time complaining about their team on message boards.

Considering the amount of posts the Soccer section got before the EPl start, I'd be willing to bet that if there is a World Cup in 2012, that section will still get lot of interest, if not more. Personally, Team Finland is expected to suck then, games are likely to be on pay tv in the middle of the might -> ManU's games will get more interest from me. Not to mention that the sports calendar that year will already have seen the Euro 2012 June 8th - July 1st and the London Olympic Games July 27th - August 12th. No one (outside of Canada) is going to care about a hockey tournament in August/September after those.
That's why hockey was better back then. Gretzky implied that by saying international hockey will never be same again after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Plus back then you Lemieux and Gretzky battling for 200 points and Brett Hull trying to get 100 goals and now the players can't do jack squat compared to that!!

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