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06-26-2010, 03:58 AM
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Look at the guys he was playing with in the AHL.. NOBODIES!!

That's why Grabner didn't do much in the AHL.. With good linemates he will be a solid top6 guy.

I love you Grabner.. I will miss u like so much make me wanna cry like so much.. z0mg Grabner lover

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06-26-2010, 04:13 AM
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Look at the guys he was playing with in the AHL.. NOBODIES!!

That's why Grabner didn't do much in the AHL.. With good linemates he will be a solid top6 guy.

I love you Grabner.. I will miss u like so much make me wanna cry like so much.. z0mg Grabner lover
Wow. Thats some serious man love. (not in a gay way)
I'm diggin' the Grabner acquisition.....

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I think Bernier will actually surprise you guys, he's not horrible, he's just paid too much for his role.

Grabner on other hand, has decent upside but like many others, I see his potential capped at a 25-30 goal and 50-55 point player - and it's likely not happening until a season or two later.

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06-27-2010, 12:12 PM
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Grabner's fast, but inconsistent and hasn't shown he can be a force yet. If I were to compare, he's probably like a Michal Repik (having seen him play with the Vancouver Giants) except he can probably more of a scorer and less of a playmaker. So if you guys like Repik then you'll like Grabner.

As with Bernier, he's your third line checker that will frustrate coaches and constantly end up on the fourth line and then wake up again and play better and then back to fourth line, etc.

I guess all I'm saying is that if Keith Ballard becomes a solid top 4 dman for us in the next few years, you guys better hope Quinton Howden develops into a solid player.

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06-29-2010, 07:30 PM
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Anybody know exactly why he wasn't even considered for the US 2010 Olympic team? Seems like he sounds good, but his name wasn't really mentioned during selection.

Maybe it's just because he had a bad year?

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Anybody know exactly why he wasn't even considered for the US 2010 Olympic team? Seems like he sounds good, but his name wasn't really mentioned during selection.

Maybe it's just because he had a bad year?
He wasn't invited to the US camp in the summer either. I think it was he just wasn't good enough. He's a great #3 in the right situation, but there probably wasn't much point inviting him when you have the guys on the US blueline that you do.

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He wasn't invited to the US camp in the summer either. I think it was he just wasn't good enough. He's a great #3 in the right situation, but there probably wasn't much point inviting him when you have the guys on the US blueline that you do.
The US D is stacked, no doubt, but still surprised his name wasn't tossed around. I guess he considered to be more of an offensive d-man as described... not a lot of space on the US team for that.

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you guys are forgetting O. you'll love him. fast agitator, loves to throw the body. heart and sole guy. will help energize your team. he's a realy good 4th line pick up!!!!!

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The US D is stacked, no doubt, but still surprised his name wasn't tossed around. I guess he considered to be more of an offensive d-man as described... not a lot of space on the US team for that.
The thing with Ballard is he's got offensive skills and is a terrific skater and puckrusher, but he's also not offensively talented enough to really put big numbers on the board. I'm surprised he put up 40 pts. his rookie year. Maybe with a better team he will. He's also solid defensively, but not good enough to ever be considered a shutdown defenseman. He's a nice player to have, but really a 2-way defender who's good at a lot of things but not great at one particular thing. Except for hip checks, he's one of the best at those. So likely the US team wanted guys who were more like specialists.

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you guys are forgetting O. you'll love him. fast agitator, loves to throw the body. heart and sole guy. will help energize your team. he's a realy good 4th line pick up!!!!!
Yeah, I do think Big O has some untapped offensive potential, but I thought he would be best served developing in the AHL for another year or two. Sounds like the Nucks expect him to be in the NHL though. In any case, he's a good banger if that's what you need.

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The thing with Ballard is he's got offensive skills and is a terrific skater and puckrusher, but he's also not offensively talented enough to really put big numbers on the board. I'm surprised he put up 40 pts. his rookie year. Maybe with a better team he will. He's also solid defensively, but not good enough to ever be considered a shutdown defenseman. He's a nice player to have, but really a 2-way defender who's good at a lot of things but not great at one particular thing. Except for hip checks, he's one of the best at those. So likely the US team wanted guys who were more like specialists.
basically, yeah. he was not a reliable puck mover for us. i'd agree - nice player to have and can have an impact, mainly via the aforementioned hip checks but only in secondary role. do not expect him to do too much.

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06-30-2010, 12:32 AM
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you guys are forgetting O. you'll love him. fast agitator, loves to throw the body. heart and sole guy. will help energize your team. he's a realy good 4th line pick up!!!!!
Oreskovich had about a handful of good games down here, and then disappeared in the rest. He could be a quality 4th liner, but he could also be a career AHL'er. Either way, he's nothing to get excited about.

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06-30-2010, 01:53 AM
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Grabner's fast, but inconsistent and hasn't shown he can be a force yet. If I were to compare, he's probably like a Michal Repik (having seen him play with the Vancouver Giants) except he can probably more of a scorer and less of a playmaker. So if you guys like Repik then you'll like Grabner.

As with Bernier, he's your third line checker that will frustrate coaches and constantly end up on the fourth line and then wake up again and play better and then back to fourth line, etc.

I guess all I'm saying is that if Keith Ballard becomes a solid top 4 dman for us in the next few years, you guys better hope Quinton Howden develops into a solid player.
You better hope Ballard doesn't take Luie's head off.

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You better hope Ballard doesn't take Luie's head off.
with some of the games he plays, he deserved a wack in the head! Anyways, I think you guys will love Grabner, he is very fast and the only thing that holds him back is his confident and consistency level.

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Florida fans, this is what Grabner could be in the future. Whether he will be is a tossup. He is very inconsistent and injuries have hampered his development.

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LOL Ballard wasn't a good puck mover? I've seen him try countless times to rush it up and the other schmucks (that are still here in uniform) have no clue of what to do.

Analogy- Class reading a book out loud. He's a chapter ahead and when the teacher calls him he's on a different page making him look bad.

...when Ballard is put with capable brains, he will look like himself.

Now I think the only D-man with brains we have is Garrison.

Can't speak for Guds yet, so I'll stay hopeful

McCabe? heh. no.

All of Boston says Wideman is carbon copy of McCabe.

Kulikov? He'll get there...we hope

Allen? Hard to say. He's hurt before he gets a chance to show consistency, good or bad.

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...so Garrison should be the next to go.

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LOL Ballard wasn't a good puck mover? I've seen him try countless times to rush it up and the other schmucks (that are still here in uniform) have no clue of what to do.

Analogy- Class reading a book out loud. He's a chapter ahead and when the teacher calls him he's on a different page making him look bad.

...when Ballard is put with capable brains, he will look like himself.

Now I think the only D-man with brains we have is Garrison.

Can't speak for Guds yet, so I'll stay hopeful

McCabe? heh. no.

All of Boston says Wideman is carbon copy of McCabe.

Kulikov? He'll get there...we hope

Allen? Hard to say. He's hurt before he gets a chance to show consistency, good or bad.
you really have a man crush on balls, don't you? nucks fans, take CH's posts with a grain of salt. i expect ballard to have a better season than last but it's hard to imagine how he couldn't - he played like he was trying to force a trade. he was that bad. there's no way you can blame teammates for the type of play we saw last year: turnover after unforced turnover.

MR's summary above is accurate, imo. i'd add that i don't think ballard is very smart. he can be effective in a role, though.

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you really have a man crush on balls, don't you? nucks fans, take CH's posts with a grain of salt. i expect ballard to have a better season than last but it's hard to imagine how he couldn't - he played like he was trying to force a trade. he was that bad. there's no way you can blame teammates for the type of play we saw last year: turnover after unforced turnover.

MR's summary above is accurate, imo. i'd add that i don't think ballard is very smart. he can be effective in a role, though.
Back to our PM debate...
I don't have a mancrush on him because I like his face or the shape of his ass...

Nucks fans should take every post here with a grain of salt...except the high and mighty zeroG.

How many games were you at last year 0G?

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In defense of Ballard, let's remember what an awesome season he had the year before last. He was our best all around defenseman in my opinion. Yes, he was terrible last year, I think even he would admit that. But he'll definitely bounce back.

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Back to our PM debate...
I don't have a mancrush on him because I like his face or the shape of his ass...

Nucks fans should take every post here with a grain of salt...except the high and mighty zeroG.

How many games were you at last year 0G?
Well, that settles it.

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In defense of Ballard, let's remember what an awesome season he had the year before last. He was our best all around defenseman in my opinion. Yes, he was terrible last year, I think even he would admit that. But he'll definitely bounce back.
The '08-09 version may have been slightly skewed as having JBo here as our definitive No.1 definitely took some pressure off of Ballard. I think last year he played beyond his capabilities as a top pairing dman. IMO, He is definitely a very solid second pairing guy but got exposed pretty badly as he was forced into a top-pairing role last year.

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Back to our PM debate...
I don't have a mancrush on him because I like his face or the shape of his ass...

Nucks fans should take every post here with a grain of salt...except the high and mighty zeroG.

How many games were you at last year 0G?
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Well, that settles it.
Of course, you didn't know that actually being at the games means that your views are objective and accurate.

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In defense of Ballard, let's remember what an awesome season he had the year before last. He was our best all around defenseman in my opinion. Yes, he was terrible last year, I think even he would admit that. But he'll definitely bounce back.
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The '08-09 version may have been slightly skewed as having JBo here as our definitive No.1 definitely took some pressure off of Ballard. I think last year he played beyond his capabilities as a top pairing dman. IMO, He is definitely a very solid second pairing guy but got exposed pretty badly as he was forced into a top-pairing role last year.
Don't think it was as much Bouw so much as it was him having a consistent stay-at-home guy in Boynton on his pairing. Bally is a lot different without that.

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sometimes i feel like he was the only guy on the team who had the ability to carry the puck into the offensive zone on power plays over the last two years. speaks volumes about his skating and stick handling ability (or alternatively on the general suckitude of our forwards). also probably the best hip checker in the league imo.

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IMO he just got too aggressive at times... both rushing the puck and going for hits... both would lead to odd man breaks.. i think if he did have more smarts he'd be better, but he doesn't... I really don't know what CH is talking about. He's a good player, for sure.. But he just makes bonehead plays too often.

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