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09-01-2010, 04:10 PM
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Does Niemi hate Philly

Seems like we could have dumped enough salary to make 1 year, 2 million work.

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We didn't want him. Those words were spoken by Shooter.

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The better question you should be asking: Does Homer hate us?

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What? I don't think this has anything to do with Niemi hating Philly. It's not like we offered him a contract and he said no. I think the title of this thread should be, "Does Holmgren hate Philly?"

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Niemi is overrated

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Niemi is overrated


By whom?

He just won a Stanley Cup and signed a one-year, $2M deal.

I'd gladly take a 26-year old Cup winning goalie for $2m/season.

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We didn't want him. Those words were spoken by Shooter.
Wilson said the same....

"Make no mistake, we're very pleased with the goaltenders we have in our system and they'll be given an opportunity."


Guess he forgot to say one will be given the opportunity to start in the AHL and the other the opportunity to fight for a starting job in the NHL

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Wilson said the same....

"Make no mistake, we're very pleased with the goaltenders we have in our system and they'll be given an opportunity."


Guess he forgot to say one will be given the opportunity to start in the AHL and the other the opportunity to fight for a starting job in the NHL
It's laughable to compare Wilson to Homer. They're both kind of idiots, but Homer has made it extremely clear that he's fine with what he has.

We have little cap space, Homer has openly said that he's fine with what he has, and Homer hasn't pursued a new goalie for the entirety of free agency. His only goalie moves were offering Nabokov and Turco one contract each before the off-season even started and then re-signing Leighton. That's it. Homer hasn't shown, during the entire off-season, that he was dedicated to finding a new goalie.

Wilson was obviously dedicated to bringing in goalies. He let Nabokov go and signed both Niitty and Niemi. Which is puzzling because he now has three NHL goalies signed.

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By whom?

He just won a Stanley Cup and signed a one-year, $2M deal.

I'd gladly take a 26-year old Cup winning goalie for $2m/season.
Theres more to it than that. The Blackhawks had a very deep offense, and an extremely good defense. Much of Neimi's success can be attributed to the players in-front of him. The Flyers roasted him during the Finals, and with how quickly he went to the ice things could've been worse if it weren't for the Hawks defense.

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It's laughable to compare Wilson to Homer. They're both kind of idiots, but Homer has made it extremely clear that he's fine with what he has.

We have little cap space, Homer has openly said that he's fine with what he has, and Homer hasn't pursued a new goalie for the entirety of free agency. His only goalie moves were offering Nabokov and Turco one contract each before the off-season even started and then re-signing Leighton. That's it. Homer hasn't shown, during the entire off-season, that he was dedicated to finding a new goalie.

Wilson was obviously dedicated to bringing in goalies. He let Nabokov go and signed both Niitty and Niemi. Which is puzzling because he now has three NHL goalies signed.
well it sounded like Wilson was fine with his goalie tandem too, but went and did this. San Jose didn't need another goalie, they needed a defensemen. Now they have no cap space to go out and get a defensemen, unless they try and trade one of the 3, which is probably likely

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Theres more to it than that. The Blackhawks had a very deep offense, and an extremely good defense. Much of Neimi's success can be attributed to the players in-front of him. The Flyers roasted him during the Finals, and with how quickly he went to the ice things could've been worse if it weren't for the Hawks defense.
Huet had a 2.50 GAA and a 0.895 SV% in 48 games with the Hawks in the regular season last year. Niemi had a 2.25 GAA and a 0.912 SV% in 39 games.

Same team, big difference in numbers. I'll take Niemi for $2M any day of the week.

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Whatever


Is Niemi overrated? Probably.


Is Niemi better than Michael Leighton? Absolutely.


Anyone want to rehash when Paul said that Niemi was getting offers way above his arbitration award? And all the people who believed him?

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well it sounded like Wilson was fine with his goalie tandem too, but went and did this. San Jose didn't need another goalie, they needed a defensemen. Now they have no cap space to go out and get a defensemen, unless they try and trade one of the 3, which is probably likely
I just explained to you, in the very post you responded to, why Homer isn't comparable to Wilson here. Homer isn't going to get another goalie this off-season. He just isn't.

The Sharks aren't gonna trade anyone. They just signed both Niitty and Niemi so they're not likely leaving. No one is in the market for a goalie.

They're gonna likely waive Greiss. Even Sharks fans themselves think that is what's going to happen.

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Huet had a 2.50 GAA and a 0.895 SV% in 48 games with the Hawks in the regular season last year. Niemi had a 2.25 GAA and a 0.912 SV% in 39 games.

Same team, big difference in numbers. I'll take Niemi for $2M any day of the week.
It's pointless to bring up Huet to make Niemi look good. Huet isn't a legit NHL goalie anymore. Which is why he posted abysmal stats on a SC winner and is going to be playing in Europe.

Niemi is an average goalie who posted average to below average stats on a stacked team.

That said, I think about ninety percent of knowledgeable Flyers fans would take Niemi at 2 mil over what we have.

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Whatever


Is Niemi overrated? Probably.


Is Niemi better than Michael Leighton? Absolutely.


Anyone want to rehash when Paul said that Niemi was getting offers way above his arbitration award? And all the people who believed him?
Yeah, I think Homer has made it absolutely clear ever since he re-signed Leighton that he hasn't been looking for a goalie. I don't know why anyone is hoping otherwise.

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It's pointless to bring up Huet to make Niemi look good. Huet isn't a legit NHL goalie anymore. Which is why he posted abysmal stats on a SC winner and is going to be playing in Europe.
The only reason Huet is in Europe is due to the horrible contract handed to him by Dale Tallon.

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I just explained to you, in the very post you responded to, why Homer isn't comparable to Wilson here. Homer isn't going to get another goalie this off-season. He just isn't.

The Sharks aren't gonna trade anyone. They just signed both Niitty and Niemi so they're not likely leaving. No one is in the market for a goalie.

They're gonna likely waive Greiss. Even Sharks fans themselves think that is what's going to happen.



It's pointless to bring up Huet to make Niemi look good. Huet isn't a legit NHL goalie anymore. Which is why he posted abysmal stats on a SC winner and is going to be playing in Europe.

Niemi is an average goalie who posted average to below average stats on a stacked team.

That said, I think about ninety percent of knowledgeable Flyers fans would take Niemi at 2 mil over what we have.



Yeah, I think Homer has made it absolutely clear ever since he re-signed Leighton that he hasn't been looking for a goalie. I don't know why anyone is hoping otherwise.
They didnt need another goalie. They needed defense. Look at their defense, it blows. Niemi and Nitty are going to get lit up all day.

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Actually people talk down on Niemi here so much, I think he may be actually underrated

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The only reason Huet is in Europe is due to the horrible contract handed to him by Dale Tallon.
I thought Huet negated his contract in order to go to Europe?

Either way, anyone who watched Huet last year would tell you that he couldn't even cut it as a backup on a SC winner and behind Norris winner.

He's not NHL caliber, regardless of the contract. Doesn't help that there market was crap for free agent goalies as well.

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They didnt need another goalie. They needed defense. Look at their defense, it blows. Niemi and Nitty are going to get lit up all day.
I know. I agree.

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Actually people talk down on Niemi here so much, I think he may be actually underrated
I think there's a divide. People tend to overrate or underrate Niemi from what I've seen. I don't see many people calling him what he is. Average. At least in my mind.

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The better question you should be asking: Does Homer hate us?
Haha, this is so dramatic that its kinda lame.

Seriously dude, we know you dont like him, but its a little hyperbole to suggest that hes tearing the team down on purpose.

In his mind, he does things because he believes he is helping out. Just cause you dont think so, doesnt make him a bad guy.

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Haha, this is so dramatic that its kinda lame.

Seriously dude, we know you dont like him, but its a little hyperbole to suggest that hes tearing the team down on purpose.

In his mind, he does things because he believes he is helping out. Just cause you dont think so, doesnt make him a bad guy.
You're right, it was hyperbole.

Turn on the sarcasm detector, bro.

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Haha, this is so dramatic that its kinda lame.

Seriously dude, we know you dont like him, but its a little hyperbole to suggest that hes tearing the team down on purpose.

In his mind, he does things because he believes he is helping out. Just cause you dont think so, doesnt make him a bad guy.
You honestly couldn't tell that was hyperbole?

I mean, I understand it's hard to detect sarcasm on the net, but that was extremely obvious hyperbole.

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Huet had a 2.50 GAA and a 0.895 SV% in 48 games with the Hawks in the regular season last year. Niemi had a 2.25 GAA and a 0.912 SV% in 39 games.

Same team, big difference in numbers. I'll take Niemi for $2M any day of the week.
Huet gives up too many soft goals, but when it comes to Niemi he can stop the first shot very well, but his rebound control, inability to stop the second and third chances, and reliance on athleticism alone will only work with excellent defensive teams.

With that said Niemi would've been a decent fit here, but he is indeed overrated.

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Huet gives up too many soft goals, but when it comes to Niemi he can stop the first shot very well, but his rebound control, inability to stop the second and third chances, and reliance on athleticism alone will only work with excellent defensive teams.

With that said Niemi would've been a decent fit here, but he is indeed overrated.
Who knows... he's only played one year, and played rather well on the balance. Sure, he struggled a bit against us in the SCF... but he'd gotten to the SCF, and while there he stole a game (Game 2) and wasn't really pushed by the goalie across from him in any event.

I don't think he's going to be a Vezina candidate anytime soon, but he certainly earned the right to claim a role as a NHL starter last year.

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The better question you should be asking: Does Homer hate us?
and the answer to this question: Absolutely.

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niemi was just BARELY better than leighton in the finals

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Actually people talk down on Niemi here so much, I think he may be actually underrated
Good in theory, but not in reality.

I can talk about how bad Leighton is until I turn blue in the face, but he won't ever be underrated.

Now apply the same principle to Niemi. He's pretty bad.

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