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09-01-2010, 09:07 PM
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I can talk about how bad Leighton is until I turn blue in the face, but he won't ever be underrated.
Yes he will. Are you kidding me? You can never underrate Leighton? Come on, man.

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Now apply the same principle to Niemi. He's pretty bad.
Not really. He's not terrific, but he's not "pretty bad."

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Good in theory, but not in reality.

I can talk about how bad Leighton is until I turn blue in the face, but he won't ever be underrated.

Now apply the same principle to Niemi. He's pretty bad.


Looks good enough to me.

You don't win championships if you're bad.

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By whom?

He just won a Stanley Cup and signed a one-year, $2M deal.

I'd gladly take a 26-year old Cup winning goalie for $2m/season.
But a 28 year old Cup-losing goalie getting $1.5 mil is absurd...

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09-01-2010, 09:18 PM
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You don't win championships if you're bad.
Really...?

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But a 28 year old Cup-losing goalie getting $1.5 mil is absurd...
Hey, you got it.

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Really...?
Yes. You're either good enough to win or you're not.


It's a fine line between winning and not.

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Really...?
Really.

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Maybe he hates cold places lol.

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Really.
Not one bad player has ever won anything while participating in any team sport?

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Not one bad player has ever won anything while participating in any team sport?
Not one that's on the playing surface the entire time.

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Not one bad player has ever won anything while participating in any team sport?
One player doesn't make a whole team bad.

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here we go again....

i'd say leighton singlehandedly made the team bad in the finals. niemi wasnt that great, but it didn't matter because leighton was worse.

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09-01-2010, 09:40 PM
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here we go again....

i'd say leighton singlehandedly made the team bad in the finals. niemi wasnt that great, but it didn't matter because leighton was worse.
He didn't get much help offensively, though. And relying on 4 defensemen for most of the games didn't help either.

But yeah, Leighton blew it too.


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Looks good enough to me.

You don't win championships if you're bad.
If you're talking about starting goaltenders, I agree. You don't win a championship as a starting goalie without being at least decent.

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If you're talking about starting goaltenders, I agree. You don't win a championship as a starting goalie without being at least decent.
Niemi Finals GAA - 3.67
Leighton Finals GAA - 4.17

That is not even close to decent. I consider that atrocious.

Sure, GAA is a team stat, but it's not like either of these goalies were doing their defenses any favors.

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Niemi Finals GAA - 3.67
Leighton Finals GAA - 4.17

That is not even close to decent. I consider that atrocious.

Sure, GAA is a team stat, but it's not like either of these goalies were doing their defenses any favors.
I didn't get to watch the SCF, but you're using one of the worst stats possible to make your point. That GAA is more of a testament to the fire-power of the Flyers then anything else.

From what I have heard, Niemi had one bad game, stole a game or two, and played average the rest of the way. That's decent, like I said.

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Niemi had one horrible game. One good game that he did steal away from Philly. And the rest were mediocre.

He wasn't decent in the finals, he was just better than horrific (which is how Leighton played).

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He didn't get much help offensively, though. And relying on 4 defensemen for most of the games didn't help either.

But yeah, Leighton blew it too.
Leighton got a ******** of help offensively, he just wasnt making crucial saves when they needed to be made. I think part of the problem with the third defensive line is that while they weren't great, they got zero support from Leighton. If they made the slightest mistake, it almost seemed like the puck was guaranteed to hit the back of the net.

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Leighton got a ******** of help offensively, he just wasnt making crucial saves when they needed to be made. I think part of the problem with the third defensive line is that while they weren't great, they got zero support from Leighton. If they made the slightest mistake, it almost seemed like the puck was guaranteed to hit the back of the net.
One night Pronger decided to have his worst game of the year.

That was terrible timing.

That said, Leighton was as mediocre as Niemi for most of the series. Like Niemi, he had his bad moments as well. Unfortunately, unlike Niemi, he didn't have one good game that could have won us the series.

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Leighton got a ******** of help offensively, he just wasnt making crucial saves when they needed to be made. I think part of the problem with the third defensive line is that while they weren't great, they got zero support from Leighton. If they made the slightest mistake, it almost seemed like the puck was guaranteed to hit the back of the net.
Not to backpeddle, but I did mean to say that he didn't get offense when he needed it most. I agree we had very comparable offense (by my count Chicago only had 3 more goals than us throughout the series).

And you are spot on with the 3rd pairing analysis. That's why they didn't get much time. And it is why we are loaded with capable defensemen with Leighton in net this season. We relied waaaaaay too much on Pronger, Carle, Kimmo, and Coburn.

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One night Pronger decided to have his worst game of the year.

That was terrible timing.

That said, Leighton was as mediocre as Niemi for most of the series. Like Niemi, he had his bad moments as well. Unfortunately, unlike Niemi, he didn't have one good game that could have won us the series.
yep, he was pretty uniformly mediocre.

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Not to backpeddle, but I did mean to say that he didn't get offense when he needed it most. I agree we had very comparable offense (by my count Chicago only had 3 more goals than us throughout the series).

And you are spot on with the 3rd pairing analysis. That's why they didn't get much time. And it is why we are loaded with capable defensemen with Leighton in net this season. We relied waaaaaay too much on Pronger, Carle, Kimmo, and Coburn.
yeah, and it was a hurt Pronger, too.

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Why is everyone arguing about which mediocre goaltender is better? The thing people should be up in arms about is going into the regular season with Leighton as your starter with no competition for the starting job. It's completely insane. Neither goaltender we on our roster has been a starter in this league before let alone a good starter. How about we just get a decent starter. Why is that so difficult to do when Holmgren has had every opportunity in the world to upgrade. He has to be doing something abut it. You can't go all in with a liability in net. It's ridiculous.

Niemi beat no one. He was brutal. Flyers were missing empty nets the one game they lost. His positioning was terrible and he's lucky the guy on the other side of the ice choked completely. After watching a replay of the Boston series a few days ago I've realized how many times the defense babysitted Leighton. His rebound control was horrendous and he got lucky a lot of the times mostly becauseof the pressure put on by our defense.


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09-02-2010, 01:12 AM
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niemi was just BARELY better than leighton in the finals
and thats all that matters.

Niemi stole 1 game in the Final and Leighton stole -2.

That was the differance.

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Does niemi hate Philly?


Who cares....Philly hates niemi. But we hate leighton more.

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and thats all that matters.

Niemi stole 1 game in the Final and Leighton stole -2.

That was the differance.
I would actually argue that he was a lot better than Leighton, simply because he made some stops when he needed to. Leighton was giving up goals left and right in games, and I think Niemi got a little loose at his end because he had a cushion and lost his edge a bit.

Game 1: Struggled the 1st/2nd periods, and then was stellar in the 3rd with some great saves.
Game 2: Niemi stole it.
Game 3: I thought Niemi was quite good in that one as well.
Game 5: gives up 4 goals, we were never closer than 2 after the 1st.

Niemi wasn't a world beater, but he didn't need to be... and that tends to lead to giving up some goals.

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I would actually argue that he was a lot better than Leighton, simply because he made some stops when he needed to. Leighton was giving up goals left and right in games, and I think Niemi got a little loose at his end because he had a cushion and lost his edge a bit.

Game 1: Struggled the 1st/2nd periods, and then was stellar in the 3rd with some great saves.
Game 2: Niemi stole it.
Game 3: I thought Niemi was quite good in that one as well.
Game 5: gives up 4 goals, we were never closer than 2 after the 1st.

Niemi wasn't a world beater, but he didn't need to be... and that tends to lead to giving up some goals.
yeah that is what I was getting at. Did not have alot of time to get into it because I was headed to work. to suggest Niemi was a little bit better then Leighton is wrong. He was quite a bit better. People want to just look at the numbers.
How many soft goals can you say Niemi gave up? Not very many. Leighton gave up at least 1 in every game.

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