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NHL may reject KOVY and Luongo deals. Issues Ultimatium.

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09-01-2010, 10:46 PM
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I'm happy with it.

We have an elite goalie locked up for a longtime.
How long will he be 'elite' for? 2022?

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What have you done that's twisted the arms of the owners?

In fact by saying you've wanted the team to win so bad for so long, you admit you're the actual problem you blame me to be.
Convert fans like you into fans like me.

Nonsensical statement.


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Of course, I do.

Do you think paying a goaltender 6 million dollars a year for 5 years is unreasonable?

It would be a godsend to get Luongo's deal rejected.

Also, how many other competitive teams could afford him right now? 2 weeks before preseason?

5 years, 30 mill.
Fantasy and reality are two very different things. In fantasy, Luongo accepts a 30m/5 year contract. In reality.. well, it remains to be seen.

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How long will he be 'elite' for? 2022?
4 or 5 years, which is also known as our "window to win," but it remains to be seen. When he declines, we've the "out-clause" at the 7th year of the contract. Then we deal him to a team struggling to reach the cap floor, who will be paying a reduced salary while reaping the benefits of saving money because of the big cap hit.

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Its best for the league and the players that don't make huge sums of money. Let me rephrase that to I hope it's true but Luongos 12 year contract is allowed.

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The cap hit would be $3 million, but how many 37 year old players would get that contract from an NHL team? They would just sign them to a 3 year deal for $9 million.
That's the point I was making earlier. Not only would teams be unlikely to offer such a contract, players would be even less likely to accept it.

But theoretically, that's probably how such a contract (highest-paying years after 40 years old) would work under such a system.

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you don't think these ridiculas front loaded contracts could benefit the Oilers when signing Hall?

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Convert fans like you into fans like me.

Nonsensical statement.




Fantasy and reality are two very different things. In fantasy, Luongo accepts a 30m/5 year contract. In reality.. well, it remains to be seen.

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4 or 5 years, which is also known as our "window to win," but it remains to be seen. When he declines, we've the "out-clause" at the 7th year of the contract. Then we deal him to a team struggling to reach the cap floor, who will be paying a reduced salary while reaping the benefits of saving money because of the big cap hit.
Luongo's contract is very well thought out and planned by the club...the out clauses are there for a reason. I agree having this contract terminated would be horrible for the Canucks.

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you don't think these ridiculas front loaded contracts could benefit the Oilers when signing Hall?
Only he proves to be worthy of a long term 10-15 year contract. He should get a nice fat 2nd contract that shouldn't be heavily front or back loaded (ala Getzlaf).

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Colorado Crapalanche can snap him up and get to the cap floor
Nah. The Avs don't want anything to do with that playoff choker.

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This could be great news for the Canucks if the NHLPA doesn't accept.

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Nah. The Avs don't want anything to do with that playoff choker.
Or anything with a salary that would put the Avalanche more than a mil over cap floor.

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To the Nucks fan saying he is worried about the team in ten years.....pull your head out of your ass. YOUR TEAM IS A STANLEY CUP CONTENDER THIS SEASON!! Luongo walks and all that goes down the drain. You're ridiculious.

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To the Nucks fan saying he is worried about the team in ten years.....pull your head out of your ass. YOUR TEAM IS A STANLEY CUP CONTENDER THIS SEASON!! Luongo walks and all that goes down the drain. You're ridiculious.
Roberto Luongo is not what makes that team a Stanley Cup contender.

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I love it... I love it, I love it. Not often do I applaud a move made by Bettman but this is one that I fully support!

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Oh and if Luongo walked.......Bryan Murray better be making some dinner reservations.

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wow,
this means war.

Well at the end of the next CBA, I guess I better start learning more about basketball again.

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Wow, the NHL does have some balls. I'm actually kind of happy to see this. These contracts are circumventing the cap and the NHL won't have it.

Now we shall wait and see what the NHLPA says... I hope they agree, but I could see them asking for the 5 years to be 7. (which imo is fair)

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To the Nucks fan saying he is worried about the team in ten years.....pull your head out of your ass. YOUR TEAM IS A STANLEY CUP CONTENDER THIS SEASON!! Luongo walks and all that goes down the drain. You're ridiculious.
All I want is a shorter length with a slightly higher hit. Its completely rational.

Assume it was rejected. Do you think Luongo would say pay me 8 years at 8 mill?

I doubt it. It's a position of power to have it rejected now.

5 years, 30 mill.

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Roberto Luongo is not what makes that team a Stanley Cup contender.
No you're right, he's not but he is their captain and a huge piece to contending for the cup. Also, when the Nucks improved their D with Hamhuis and Ballard, Luongo benefited from that big time. He could have his best year yet. You throw Schneider as the starter or some other average random and the Canucks take a MASSIVE step back. This cannot even be argued.

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I don't understand how the NHL could essentially re-write the CBA with their supposed amendments to calculate cap hits.

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All I want is a shorter length with a slightly higher hit. Its completely rational.

Assume it was rejected. Do you think Luongo would say pay me 8 years at 8 mill?

I doubt it. It's a position of power to have it rejected now.

5 years, 30 mill.

In what world, exactly, does Luongo sign that contract?

Step out of your fantasy world. Luongo is going to hold out for every penny and he knows that without him, our team isn't a contender.

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Good for the NHL. I appreciate the fact that they have the balls to do this.

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All I want is a shorter length with a slightly higher hit. Its completely rational.

Assume it was rejected. Do you think Luongo would say pay me 8 years at 8 mill?

I doubt it. It's a position of power to have it rejected now.

5 years, 30 mill.
I hear ya, I do. The bottom line here is that Luongo would want to stay in Vancouver so he would likely take another deal. 5 years at 30 million sounds perfect but things aren't as easy as they sound. It's hard to say what would happen but that's getting ahead a little bit. The NHL can void that contract but Luongo would still be a Canuck. It was the statement that if he wants more than he can walk....uh no bud. Last time I checked he's still a top 3-5 goalie in the league and the captain of the Canucks. You absolutely give the man what he wants as long as it doesn't mean giving up other pieces to fit him in. But again, getting to ahead of ourselves.

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In what world, exactly, does Luongo sign that contract?

Step out of your fantasy world. Luongo is going to hold out for every penny and he knows that without him, our team isn't a contender.
He's had 2 bad post seasons. It's 2 weeks from training camp. He would have to find and sign a new contract with a new team. He would have to move him and his family. He would have to hope the new team has the same chance to compete as the new team does.

Or he could may a measly 30 million dollars to add to the 30 he's made.

OH, I GET IT! You still think he's the best goalie in the league.

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I really can't see the NHL rejecting Luongo and Hossa contracts... how could they?.

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