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04-12-2005, 09:45 PM
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Jari Kurri

How good was he? I was too young to appreciate him in his prime. And how much of his success can be attributed to Gretzky? Jari Kurri has about 1400 points in 1250 games. How many do you think he would have had on an average team?

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I think Kurri=Propp except for who played centre ice.

I think he would have still scored 800-1000 points on another team. Less but still substantial.

He said it best himself when asked about what he regrets about his career: "I scored too much to win a Selke"

Kurri was a two-way player, anticipating the opposition and creating turnovers often, physical in an understated way, very smart.

In today's NHL he'd be a slightly better version of Patrik Elias.

IMO.

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He was a beauty player. Terrific skater, tireless on the forecheck and pursued the puck carrier aggressively (to an Oiler fan like me, one of the enduring memories of Jari is him skating back, catching the puck carrier, lifting his stick, gaining possession and heading the other way).

Kurri was an outstanding offensive player, quick release in the Mike Bossy/Reggie Leach vein (although he didn't have quite that good or quick of a release) and he complimented 99 perfectly.

Perhaps the play that sums up Kurri best is the opening goal in the deciding game of the 1984 Final against NYI. On a shift change by the Isles, their defender dumped the puck into the corner. Kurri zipped into his zone and sent a screamer of a pass to 99 waiting just onside at the red line.

Gretzky has clear ice and scores on Billy Smith between the legs. Huge goal and the Oilers would win their first Stanley later that night.

Smart player at both ends with great creativity and the God given talent to execute.

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Jari Kurri was a great hockey player, one of the very best RW of all time and a top player on all-time team.

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Would Kurri have been as productive on a lesser team?

If one were born the son of Bill Gates would his life be different?

Sorry for the sarcasm, but such hypotheticals, though well-intention, are specious.

You'd be hard-pressed to find a great player who would unquestionably be the exact player in lesser circumstances. In no way does that diminish that player's value. Ditto a player who benefits from superior teammates.

Its a faulty premise for evaluating a player, IMO.

(In actuality, a player who produces bigtime on a lesser/losing team is often a lot harder to evaluate. NHL GMs are cautious about overrating players who perform in less-pressure environments. What made a player like Kurri special is that he produced for years in pressure - Cup - situations.)


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Kurri would have produced a lot better, and just appeared a lot better in general without Gretzky's ridiculous hair holding him back, no one competes with Kurri's hair.



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But seriously, I took him on my all time team for a reason, just a superb player, I've only got to see his prime on tape, but he was just brilliant.

Patrik Elias with more scoring is a great comparison, in fact Elias is one of my favourites now because he's so much like Kurri. Just a superior player, I can't say enough.

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He would have been a star with or without Gretzky. His performance from 1988-90 after Gretzky was dealt shows that pretty obviously - statistically it's identical to what he did the last two seasons Gretzky was there.

He would have been a consistent 50-goal, 100-point guy for most of the 1980s no matter who he was playing for. Probably wouldn't have had the 70 goal, 130 point seasons elsewhere, but still would have been considered one of the best wingers in the league.

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Originally Posted by VanIslander
I think Kurri=Propp except for who played centre ice.

I think he would have still scored 800-1000 points on another team. Less but still substantial.

He said it best himself when asked about what he regrets about his career: "I scored too much to win a Selke"

Kurri was a two-way player, anticipating the opposition and creating turnovers often, physical in an understated way, very smart.

In today's NHL he'd be a slightly better version of Patrik Elias.

IMO.

Give me a break. Kurri was much better than Propp. Yeah sure, he may have been grittier, but JK was much more skilled all around

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In my opinion, he was the greatest all-round European-born and trained player of all time. There wasn't anything he couldn't do. Strong skater, terrific one-timer, soft hands, excellent goal-scoring instincts and hockey sense; combined with a willingness to battle in the corners and wonderful defensive awareness. Just a terrific all-round player. Good leader, too.

Gretzky even said he wouldn't have put up the numbers that he did if he didn't have Kurri on his wing. With his one-timer and defensive acumen, Kurri was the perfect player to play with Gretzky.

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In my opinion, he was the greatest all-round European-born and trained player of all time. There wasn't anything he couldn't do. Strong skater, terrific one-timer, soft hands, excellent goal-scoring instincts and hockey sense; combined with a willingness to battle in the corners and wonderful defensive awareness. Just a terrific all-round player. Good leader, too.

Gretzky even said he wouldn't have put up the numbers that he did if he didn't have Kurri on his wing. With his one-timer and defensive acumen, Kurri was the perfect player to play with Gretzky.

What he said!

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Jari Kurri's Career Highlights

Trophies/Medals

Stanley Cup Champion 5 (Edm): 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1990
Lady Byng Trophy: 1985
EJC Gold Medal: 1978 (Scored Game Winer)
Zane Feldman Trophy (Edm MVP): 1989
WHC Silver Medal: 1994
WJC Sliver Medal: 1980

Acheivements
First Team All-Star 2: 1985, 1987
Second Team All-Star 3: 1984, 1986, 1989
All-Star Games 8: 1983, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1998
EJC Best Forward: 1978
EJC All-Star Team: 1978
WHC All-Star Team 2: 1991, 1994
Led Oilers in Goals 2: 1986, 1988
Led Oilers in Points: 1989
Inducted Into Hall of Fame: 2001
Number Retired By Edmonton: Oct 6th 2001
NHL Playoffs Highest Goal Total: 1984(14), 1985(19), 1987(15), 1988(14)
Scored Cup Wining Goal: 1987


Records

Career Highs: Goals 71 ('84-'85), Assists 64 ('84-'85), Points 135 ('84-'85), PIM 69 ('88-'89), +/- 76 ('84-'85), PPG 16 ('85-'86), SHG 6 ('85-'86), GWG 13 ('84-'85), Shots 261 ('84-'85), Sh% 28.81 ('85-'86)
Highest Scoring European Born Player Ever
Tied (With Reggie Leach) For Most Goals in a Single Playoff Season (19): 1985
Most Hat Trick Games in a Playoff Series (3): 1985
Most Hat Trick game in a Single Playoff Season (4): 1985
8th Player in NHL History to score 600 Goals
3rd Player in NHL History to Score 70 Goals in a Season

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How good was he? I was too young to appreciate him in his prime. And how much of his success can be attributed to Gretzky? Jari Kurri has about 1400 points in 1250 games. How many do you think he would have had on an average team?
Kurri is the 49th greatest player of all time (tied with Peter Forsberg) and the 43rd greatest scorer of all time. Also, he is the 32nd best goal scorer of all time. (My rating systems that are posted)

He was a phenomenal player and those that say his whole career would have been nothing without Gretzky are delusional. He was still a star in Edmonton after Gretzky had moved on to the Kings.

Ultimately, the guy had to be able to score. If you look at the old tapes and his stats, the guy could score with the best of them. If he didn't have great talent, he would have fizzled out in a year or two. Only the greats can score as much as he did for as long as he did.

These arguments about "had great linemates and that is the only reason he put up the points he did" are unfounded. You still have to do the job yourself. There is no free ride.


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I've never seen such a dangerous duo when on a two on one. It was almost a guarantee they'd score. Gretzky would lay out the perfect pass to Kurri who had an incredible one-timer. It was what looked like an effortless release with a hard and deadly accurate shot. It was a thing of beauty when he let go with his one timer.

I'd estimate Gretzky would have 300 less assist's to his totals without Kurri, probably more.

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Kurri is the 49th greatest player of all time (tied with Peter Forsberg) and the 43rd greatest scorer of all time. Also, he is the 32nd best goal scorer of all time. (My rating systems that are posted).
I put absolutely no stock into a system that puts Paul Kariya ahead of Steve Yzerman

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I put absolutely no stock into a system that puts Paul Kariya ahead of Steve Yzerman
I am still tweaking the "Greatest Players" system - which is the one you are questioning. Perhaps, when all is said and done, Yzerman will end up ahead of Kariya.

But, the scoring ones are quite accurate. Kurri is the 43rd best scorer and 32nd best goal scorer of all time. Any system that correctly evens out historical NHL variables will find those rankings to be very accurate.

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