Prospect Info: Flyers HF Top 20 prospects

[Chris Shafer]

Originally Posted by FlyHigh

I'm emo because I say you're wrong?

An emo kid would see that you're wrong and go listen to Simple Plan and cut himself.

I notice that you've still continuing to avoid defending your actual rankings and are instead trying to turn this into a Shafer-FlyHigh thing instead of trying to justify why Mike Testwuide is ranked a 6.5B.

So tell me, what attributes in Mike Testwuide do you see that give him a significant possibility of becoming better than Kris Draper? Please, enlighten me. This is a forum for hockey debate after all.

Read this again:

Originally Posted by Chris Shafer

6.5 means that the player's potential is that of a good or solid 3rd line player capable of jumping into 2nd line minutes if such a need arises even though they will not be a permanent fit at that position.

The B means that they could drop below that.

So a 6.5B means they could become a consistently good third line player with the ability to jump into higher roles, but they will more than likely fall down a half grade or possibly even a full grade to just an average third liner or a strong fourth liner.

Nodl and Testwuide both fit that definition.

Now, if you insist on "comparing" them to Kris Draper, even though they are not the same type of players:

1. Nodl is probably closest to Kris Draper being that he is solid defensively, can forecheck well, and can work well in corners. He leaves a bit to be had to Draper's defensive ability and leadership ability, but Draper is one of the best when it comes to those things. Also it should be noted that Nodl is a more talented offensive player than Draper. Even though he has not displayed it yet, and may never, he has the skill set to be a pretty good secondary scorer. He's probably a lesser version of Draper throughout his NHL career though.

2. Testwuide is more of a Knuble mold, who can keep up defensively. His job is to crash the net and, in doing so, help others generate offense while chipping in himself. He's an alright defensive player, and a physical powerforward even though we don't know how quickly he will adjust to the size, speed, and physicality of the NHL. He was considered the most NHL-ready college player for a reason. Even though he does not have as good an offensive skill set as Nodl, he provides a different type of service to an organization that might need his particular mold of player.

[FlyHigh]

Okay, let's get down to brass tacks.

1) Nodl has in no way proved he's solid defensively, he was horrible defensively in his only extended call-up. 2nd, 5 points in 48 games (as a 23 year-old) doesn't speak favorably for his offensive ability. I mean, you can always find exceptions, but guys that become good offensive players tend to have shown something by 23. 35 points in 64 games in the AHL plus his NHL performance isn't exactly great.

2) It amazes me how much Knuble gets shat on, even by Flyers fans. I love the whole "Knuble-type" comparison when guys like Knuble are exceedingly rare. Testwuide seems to be a big guy who had a good final season when he was a bit older and probably played with good linemates. Guys like that pop up in school all the time, I can think of 2-3 in the last 4 years at BU alone who are all ECHL or AHL guys.

[Chris Shafer]

Originally Posted by FlyHigh

Okay, let's get down to brass tacks.

1) Nodl has in no way proved he's solid defensively,

He was definitely pretty good defensively in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by FlyHigh

he was horrible defensively in his only extended call-up.

His only extended call up was the beginning of 2008-09. Towards the end of that, when he was clearly not ready to consistently play at the NHL level, he was horrible defensively. The rest of the time he's been pretty good actually.

Originally Posted by FlyHigh

2nd, 5 points in 48 games (as a 23 year-old) doesn't speak favorably for his offensive ability. I mean, you can always find exceptions, but guys that become good offensive players tend to have shown something by 23. 35 points in 64 games in the AHL plus his NHL performance isn't exactly great.

Never said his offense would translate. I only said he had offensive potential. I don't think it will ever come to fruition either, but that doesn't mean he has other talents.

Originally Posted by FlyHigh

2) It amazes me how much Knuble gets shat on, even by Flyers fans.

I'm amazed at how much an organization can over-obsess about specific players who leave.

Knuble had a good tenure in Philadelphia. He got far too much hate when he was here. He got far too much love after he left.

Originally Posted by FlyHigh

I love the whole "Knuble-type" comparison when guys like Knuble are exceedingly rare.

A big body who can crash the net? Hartnell is a "Knuble-type" as well. Maroon as well. I never said they had to be better than Knuble at it, I just said that's the type of offensive niche they will inhabit.

Guys who can crash the net with hands like Knuble are rare. Maroon has that type of ability, but we will see if he ever reaches it.

Originally Posted by FlyHigh

Testwuide seems to be a big guy who had a good final season when he was a bit older and probably played with good linemates.

But now you're classifying him without knowing anything about him?

Testwuide's skill-set and style is perfect for the niche the Flyers will use him in. He will not likely be very good at it, but I doubt he will be bad if he does prove he can provide that role at the NHL level.

Originally Posted by FlyHigh

Guys like that pop up in school all the time, I can think of 2-3 in the last 4 years at BU alone who are all ECHL or AHL guys.

Because you've seen Testwuide play right?

[Garbage Goal]

I don't see why calling Nodl a third liner is that much of a sleight.

He a good checker, provides decent energy, and can hit. On a team that isn't stacked he might actually make the third line.

[Blackhawkswincup]

My apologies

Didn't see the original thread about your prospect rankings (Just noticed it),,, As an outsider I didn't mean to clutter up your forum

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