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What Would It Take For Chicago To Acquire Mike Weaver And Stephen Weiss From Florida?

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09-08-2010, 09:57 PM
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What Would It Take For Chicago To Acquire Mike Weaver And Stephen Weiss From Florida?

I want to know what it would take, whether this is likely or not. Now, here's our current situation:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Ryan Potulny ($0.500m)
Fernando Pisani ($0.500m)

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / Nick Boynton ($0.500m)
John Scott ($0.512m)

GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)

CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753

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SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,443,257; BONUSES: $65,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,021,743


Alright, somebody making around 4 million could be acquired at the deadline. Now, Weaver ($900K) and Weiss ($3.1 million) is a total of $4 million in annual salary, which we could afford at the deadline. Plus, we could shed a little more cash if they wanted a player or two from our active roster. I really would like to have Weaver on the bottom pairing because he's sound defensively and Weiss could score for us and help our offense pick up. Hey, Tallon knows our team well.

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09-08-2010, 09:58 PM
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Why do you need Weiss when you have Toews, Sharp and Bolland down the middle?

If anything, look to upgrade the wing position (mostly LW) and perhaps another decent bottom pairing defense men.

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As a Hawk fan I pass.
More scoring depth and a solid defensive defensemen? Interesting.

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Chicago doesnt need Weiss, nor Weaver

they just need goaltending

that's it

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Why do you need Weiss when you have Toews, Sharp and Bolland down the middle?

If anything, look to upgrade the wing position (mostly LW) and perhaps another decent bottom pairing defense men.
Preferably, Sharp plays wing, not center.

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honestly it would take quite a bit from your side to get these two. weiss is the panthers home-grown #1 centre, while weaver is on a dirt-cheap deal that would be very desirable to a team in their position

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Chicago doesnt need Weiss, nor Weaver

they just need goaltending

that's it
Well, most Hawks fans on here are confident that Turco will at the very least play a little better than Niemi did last year. Corey Crawford will most likely put up better numbers that Huet did last year. Our goaltending got better, and in this deal, the goalies would get a little help. So..?

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Just curious, why Weaver? He's OK, but not someone I would give up assets to get, and I'm someone who liked him when he played for the Wolves.

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Just curious, why Weaver? He's OK, but not someone I would give up assets to get, and I'm someone who liked him when he played for the Wolves.
He's cheap, affordable, and solid defensively, and the Panthers will most likely be out of the playoff race at the deadline, so there's a good chance he'd be available. There are other solid defensive defensemen out there that aren't paid too much, but they may play for a contending team, and they wouldn't be dealt.

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Just curious, why Weaver? He's OK, but not someone I would give up assets to get, and I'm someone who liked him when he played for the Wolves.
You obviously didn't see him to much last year. He was THE guy, other than Jay McClement on last years number one PK unit. He is so stinkin underrated. He is so good defensively it's scary. Yeah, if you want offense, go elsewhere. But he is one of the best defensive defensemen in the league. (on defense alone)

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You obviously didn't see him to much last year. He was THE guy, other than Jay McClement on last years number one PK unit. He is so stinkin underrated. He is so good defensively it's scary. Yeah, if you want offense, go elsewhere. But he is one of the best defensive defensemen in the league. (on defense alone)
Thanking for posting what I've said in this thread many times. As a #5 or #6 defensemen for us, he'd play good defense and you could rely on him while Hjalmarsson, Campbell, Keith, and Seabrook get more resting time. By having a guy like Weaver on the back end who can play awesome defense, you put less stress on your top 4.

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Something around the deadline if Panthers are out of it and Hawks can afford to add Weiss salary

Beach + Hawks 1st in 2011 or 12 (Panthers choice)?

Brouwer-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Weiss-Hossa
Stalberg-Bolland-Skille

That would be a hell of a top 9 for playoffs

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Something around the deadline if Panthers are out of it and Hawks can afford to add Weiss salary

Beach + Hawks 1st in 2011 or 12 (Panthers choice)?

Brouwer-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Weiss-Hossa
Stalberg-Bolland-Skille

That would be a hell of a top 9 for playoffs
I think we would have to add a defensive prospect, too. Lalonde, Beach, and a future 1st? Too much/little?

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Something around the deadline if Panthers are out of it and Hawks can afford to add Weiss salary

Beach + Hawks 1st in 2011 or 12 (Panthers choice)?

Brouwer-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Weiss-Hossa
Stalberg-Bolland-Skille

That would be a hell of a top 9 for playoffs
Beach is a good player, but him and a probable late pick won't get you Florida's franchise player, and probable captain after McCabe is gone. If you want to get Weiss, you'll have to pay up.

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Something around the deadline if Panthers are out of it and Hawks can afford to add Weiss salary

Beach + Hawks 1st in 2011 or 12 (Panthers choice)?

Brouwer-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Weiss-Hossa
Stalberg-Bolland-Skille


That would be a hell of a top 9 for playoffs
And:

Seabrook-Keith
Campbell-Hjalmarsson
Weaver-Hendry
Boynton/Scott

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Thanking for posting what I've said in this thread many times. As a #5 or #6 defensemen for us, he'd play good defense and you could rely on him while Hjalmarsson, Campbell, Keith, and Seabrook get more resting time. By having a guy like Weaver on the back end who can play awesome defense, you put less stress on your top 4.
Yes, and I was backing your statement. Sorry, I guess that what I get for trying to help a Hawks fan.

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Yes, and I was backing your statement. Sorry, I guess that what I get for trying to help a Hawks fan.
Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you. Don't be sorry, you were right. Weaver is an underrated player in the NHL and plays amazing defense. He'd be solid on our bottom pairing to say the least.

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I just don't think Weiss is available unless it is a massive overpayment. Young franchise players, signed at $3.1 mil for the next 3 years, are difficult to pry away.

Can a Florida fan enlighten me as to why he's NOT the captain (a la Dustin Brown) yet?

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Tell me what would need to be added by the Hawks to this deal:

Lalonde, Beach, 2 future 1sts for Weiss and Weaver

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Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you. Don't be sorry, you were right. Weaver is an underrated player in the NHL and plays amazing defense. He'd be solid on our bottom pairing to say the least.
I guess I took what you said the wrong way. Seemed like you were being a smart***. Nevermind then. I do think he'd be a good fit in Chicago, just wouldn't wanna see him there to be honest.

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Sharp or Bolland would have to be coming back for starters.

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Those guys aren't Oilers, why does Chicago want them?

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Weiss would be a real good pickup for the Hawks. I don't know why but their 2nd line just doesn't look right as is. With Weiss, the Hawks can move Sharp back to LW and have Weiss centre the second line.

Sharp - Weiss - Hossa

^ Helluva 2nd line. All that said, though, I doubt the Hawks could pry Weiss from Florida. As someone else mentioned, he's the #1 centre in Florida and does it all for them. He centres their first line, centres their first PP unit, and I believe he also plays the PK for them.

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You obviously didn't see him to much last year. He was THE guy, other than Jay McClement on last years number one PK unit. He is so stinkin underrated. He is so good defensively it's scary. Yeah, if you want offense, go elsewhere. But he is one of the best defensive defensemen in the league. (on defense alone)
Huh.. Really? I guess he must have had one hell of a break-out year, but even still I think you're over rating him here. In Vancouver he was nothing more than a depth defender, and when given opportunity he didn't take it. I remember him in the St. Louis series the year after and he was really not much better. I didn't see much of Weaver last year, but if were calling him one of the best defensive defensemen in the leagye after one year of great play then I guess Henrik is better than Crosby, Burrows is a better sniper than Kessel, and Raycroft is a better goaltender than Luongo. I think you see what I'm saying here.. There's a reason Weaver wasn't given a larger contract by a contender, they aren't ready to take a chance on him.

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