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Brayden Schenn is going to be back for Mini Camp. Which is next week.

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Why isn't Doughty signed yet ????
You will remind my words when Johnson shows his dirty finger.

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In a thousand years time, scholars shall ponder these words with awe and wonder whilst contemplating how, indeed, they culminated in the creation of a Snake Cult....


I love Kurrilino and all but that was one of the funniest posts I have read in a very long time.

I am putting away my dirty finger and clapping.

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Neither Johnson or his agent can tell DL not to match an offer sheet.

Well I take that back, they can but DL doesn't have to listen.

IF DL thinks he can't sign Johnson long term, Johnson will be trade to who ever DL wants.

Johnson will not make it to UFA status with the Kings.

Hence DL controls which team JJ plays for next.

Sure Lomardi can do any descision where Johnson will go in theorie.

But keep Heatley in mind and what the return was.
If Johnson is pissed up like Frolov is, he will show Lombardi the dirty finger
and tells him he will not sign.
If Johnson say i want to go to Pittsburgh and nowhere else Lombardi has no chance than give him away for peanuts.

This is the scenario i see with Johnson

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I think that you are pretty much bang on Kurrilino.

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Why isn't Doughty signed? Same reason why it took Kovalchuk 2 months to sign, and same reason why Marc Staal isn't signed, IT TAKES TIME TO GET A FAIR MULTI-MILLION MULTI-YEAR DEAL AGREED UPON.

Do you think DL comes in and says, we want you at this number for these years and Doughty says yes or no, and that's the end of it???????

Also, you say Johnson will be blamed if he tells the Kings not to match a ghost RFA offer sheet? Hell yes he will be blamed if that's the case, he tells the team not to offer, what's not to blame there?? You think that it's ok for him to tell the team not to match?
Indeed i do................

I would undertsand that like i undertsand Frolov Cammy or Sully..........
The manhandling in this organisation is very poor.
The untalented nobodys gets always a chance but the high talented guys have to step back and will be punished for mistakes.

Not everyone gets the same chance or the same treadment, that is the point.

And for sure i would do the same, as soon as there is a chance i would leave a team lead by Murray, Compon and co.

I think that is in his best inetrest and the best thing he could do for his carreer

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The manhandling in this organisation is very poor.
Well thank goodness for that.

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I'm hoping Hammond was right because I'd like to see him make the team this season. You never can tell w/ knee injuries. Problem is that when macro injuries occur, it usually takes two weeks to know how bad something is unless it is completely trashed on film (xrays/mri). That's why he'll need to be reevaluated on a daily basis. Could be an ACL thing or could be internal bruising and that usually takes weeks or months to heal even though surgery may not even be needed and there would be no evidence of any "structural damage". No one would really have a solid answer on this, which is why he'd need to iced, stretched, put through a series of work outs to his limitations, iced and then checked/tested after the fact. Sometimes it's something simple where he just needs a break (no pun intended), others get pretty nasty and you don't really figure that out until much later until after the body responds to non invasive treatment ( I was an x ray tech and worked in rehab/PT setting for 3 years so seeing these kinds of things was pretty common).

Also, this was posted on the Kings Website which backs up what i"m saying so you know I'm not bsing this. We probably won't know the full extent for another 2 weeks at least. These are not in any order.
Likely scenarios.

1. Start skating right away, no pain, no problem, (not likely if they went so far to post something to the fans)
2. Will stay the same which means he will need to be "reevaluated".
3. Get on some program where he is monitored and eventually comes back at a date to be determined (Most likely).
3. He'll have a major setback if he's not careful.
4. It will get worse w/ the rehab so they'll have to change approach.
5. The absolute worst would be they missed something on the original MRI, which is not likely, and he'll need major work done. Again, that's the least likely unless the Doc who evaulated him was two sheets to the wind.

I'd be most concerned about rushing him back. Just take it easy peasy, find the limit on the rehab and stick to it.

Hope the info helps. The info below was pulled from the Kings Website. Same goes for Greene even though he went through surgery. Greene doesn't really have a time line either, just goals. It's all about how his body responds. Being conservative is a good thing with both of them right now.

http://lakingsinsider.com/

Posted by Rich Hammond on 10 September 2010, 3:44 pm
An MRI on Brayden Schennís knee revealed no structural damage, and he is considered day-to-day. Schenn will be re-evaluated daily and will continue to train while he does rehab work.

Greene interview
Posted by Rich Hammond on 11 September 2010, 1:57 pm
After he finished his session in the kids press conference at Hockey Fest, Matt Greene came in to talk to the media about his recovery from the surgery he had on his left shoulder in July. Greene is expected to miss the first month of the seasonÖ

Question: How is the recovery process going?

GREENE: ďI think itís getting better. Every time I talk to the doctors or the trainers, they always say itís coming along just as they expected. I think Iím on the timeline. I couldnít tell you what the timeline actually is. They donít give me the exact dates, but they just say itís coming along as scheduled.Ē
So what you're saying is... he's not "day to day".

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So what you're saying is... he's not "day to day".
Why do you continue to insist otherwise? Every piece of evidence points to the contrary of your claim.

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So what you're saying is... he's not "day to day".
um no, in his post, there is clearly a line that says he is day to day

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So what you're saying is... he's not "day to day".
". . . thou doth protest too much."

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So what you're saying is... he's not "day to day".
nope..I'm saying he's going to be monitored and in a about 2 week's time, they'll find out if it's more serious. I think you're looking for definition on day to day to see who is right and who is wrong. Can't help you w/ that and that's not what I'm after here. It's a knee, not an oracle so it's not really black and white. I'm not the doc in the room and don't know the guy's history. But I have seen how people respond to injuries. There are lots of factors. Just giving a semi educated scenario because I know everyone has invested a lot of time over the summer w/ thoughts, opinions etc..

I know enough to get myself into trouble if that makes sense. I may not have all the background on hockey players, not an expert on stats and don't have too many "sources". But I have seen people who were really jacked up bounce back quickly and people w/ something that first looked like nothing which got worse later. Knee's are tricky..not as nasty as a shoulder..just tricky. (Hinge joint versus ball and socket joint). One thing that helps is that he's young so his body will respond quicker. My guess...2 weeks we know more.

That aside, he's probably going to push himself as well, training camp is here and he wants to make the team..probably pretty bad..... It's kind of interesting from a medical perspective, probably not so much for him though....... but hey..I dig this stuff....


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Sure Lomardi can do any descision where Johnson will go in theorie.

But keep Heatley in mind and what the return was.
If Johnson is pissed up like Frolov is, he will show Lombardi the dirty finger
and tells him he will not sign.
If Johnson say i want to go to Pittsburgh and nowhere else Lombardi has no chance than give him away for peanuts.

This is the scenario i see with Johnson
Jack doesn't have a NMC like Heatley had.

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Jack doesn't have a NMC like Heatley had.
I know i know.

I don't compare him to Heatleys contract i compare him to Heatleys Situation.

If the staff keeps handling Johnson like Frolov and keeps pairing him with crap on the ice
Johnson will say good bye.

He doesn't have any rights to switch or choose a team but think a little bit ahead.
Let's say his Agned tells Lombardi not to match an offersheet or talk to the Pens GM.
What happens if Lombardi is not listening ?????
An arbitrator will come in they will agree to 1 year xxx dollars and that's it.
You have 1 year of a cancer on the ice and he may not even show up in practice.
After that year he will show both dirty fingers to Lombardi and will be gone for free.
The only solution is to listen to Johnson and trades him for whatever the Pens are offering or not matching the offersheet.

Again..... who is to blame for that...........
The most of you will riot and ask for Johnsons head.
But is it really Johnson's fault ?????? Wouldn't you guys do the same ????
Wouldn't you guys move to your best friend Crosby when you are paired with Harrolds or Johnes or Drewiskes ???? Would you accept to stay out of the PP while a moron like Stoll is filling your position when you could score tons of points ????

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I know i know.

I don't compare him to Heatleys contract i compare him to Heatleys Situation.

If the staff keeps handling Johnson like Frolov and keeps pairing him with crap on the ice
Johnson will say good bye.

He doesn't have any rights to switch or choose a team but think a little bit ahead.
Let's say his Agned tells Lombardi not to match an offersheet or talk to the Pens GM.
What happens if Lombardi is not listening ?????
An arbitrator will come in they will agree to 1 year xxx dollars and that's it.
You have 1 year of a cancer on the ice and he may not even show up in practice.
After that year he will show both dirty fingers to Lombardi and will be gone for free.
The only solution is to listen to Johnson and trades him for whatever the Pens are offering or not matching the offersheet.

Again..... who is to blame for that...........
The most of you will riot and ask for Johnsons head.
But is it really Johnson's fault ?????? Wouldn't you guys do the same ????
Wouldn't you guys move to your best friend Crosby when you are paired with Harrolds or Johnes or Drewiskes ???? Would you accept to stay out of the PP while a moron like Stoll is filling your position when you could score tons of points ????
You just couldn't leave Stoll out of it.....lol....

I see the point though. L.A. needs to start producing and I cringe every day knowing it is Lombardi and Solomon negotiating maybe the most important contract extension in the history of the organization.

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Indeed i do................

I would undertsand that like i undertsand Frolov Cammy or Sully..........
The manhandling in this organisation is very poor.

I think we're on the same page here (sort of!).

This is why I believe Lombardi should look to trade Johnson for Edmonton's 1st round pick in 2011 (which might be #3 overall). There are a couple of guys there who would look very good in our top 6 (Sean Couturier, etc.).

Meanwhile, we have too many defensive prospects good enough to make the team.

I say trade JJ while his stock is high, high, high!!! If we can get Edmonton's 1st and Penner, I say "done deal".

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I know i know.

I don't compare him to Heatleys contract i compare him to Heatleys Situation.

If the staff keeps handling Johnson like Frolov and keeps pairing him with crap on the ice
Johnson will say good bye.

He doesn't have any rights to switch or choose a team but think a little bit ahead.
Let's say his Agned tells Lombardi not to match an offersheet or talk to the Pens GM.
What happens if Lombardi is not listening ?????
An arbitrator will come in they will agree to 1 year xxx dollars and that's it.
You have 1 year of a cancer on the ice and he may not even show up in practice.
After that year he will show both dirty fingers to Lombardi and will be gone for free.
The only solution is to listen to Johnson and trades him for whatever the Pens are offering or not matching the offersheet.

Again..... who is to blame for that...........
The most of you will riot and ask for Johnsons head.
But is it really Johnson's fault ?????? Wouldn't you guys do the same ????
Wouldn't you guys move to your best friend Crosby when you are paired with Harrolds or Johnes or Drewiskes ???? Would you accept to stay out of the PP while a moron like Stoll is filling your position when you could score tons of points ????
How do you convince other teams not to trade for him?

You seem to think Johnson has some special power no other player has.

Let's say Pittsburgh calls and offers a 3rd and say Montreal calls and offers a second. Why DL take the lesser offer?

Until a player hits unrestricted free agency, he has little to no say so on where he plays.

I don't quite understand why you seem to have a hard time grasping that notion.

You're funny if you think other teams would not trade for Johnson just because you think he wants to go to Pittsburgh.

You're also funny if you think he would not sign a contract for more money if another team offers one.

Let's say Pittsburgh can only offer him $3 million a year and say Toronto offers him $5 million. You think he's turning down $2 million just to play with Sidney?

Do you think every player in sports is playing for their favorite team?

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You seem to think Johnson has some special power no other player has.

No, no, no, no, no!!! Johnson seems to think Johnson has some special power no other player has!! That's why we have to ditch him!!!

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What the hell is this crap?
I need to drop him off my Twitter account

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No, no, no, no, no!!! Johnson seems to think Johnson has some special power no other player has!! That's why we have to ditch him!!!
Maybe has "mind control" like in Dinner for Schmucks.....if he does, then he can get DL to sign him for whatever he wants......

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What the hell is this crap?
I need to drop him off my Twitter account
Obviously it's about how Schenn isn't "day to day".




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How do you convince other teams not to trade for him?

You seem to think Johnson has some special power no other player has.

Let's say Pittsburgh calls and offers a 3rd and say Montreal calls and offers a second. Why DL take the lesser offer?

Until a player hits unrestricted free agency, he has little to no say so on where he plays.

I don't quite understand why you seem to have a hard time grasping that notion.

You're funny if you think other teams would not trade for Johnson just because you think he wants to go to Pittsburgh.

You're also funny if you think he would not sign a contract for more money if another team offers one.
Let's say Pittsburgh can only offer him $3 million a year and say Toronto offers him $5 million. You think he's turning down $2 million just to play with Sidney?

Do you think every player in sports is playing for their favorite team?

Well.... some people doesn't understand like it works.

Johnson is a special case.
His best friend is Crosby the best player in the league.
With joining him he could play for a contender and with his best friend.
I'm absolutely sure Johnson will take whatever it needs to go to Pittsburgh.
On the other hand the Pens will do whatever is needed to get a top pairing defense man for almost nothing.

For your other case you don't understand what i mean.
Sure Montreal or 28 other teams have interest in Johnson and could give up an offer sheet.
Buuuuut............ as soon as Johnson or his agend says don't do that i don't wanna be in Montreal i want to be in Pittsburgh no other GM will do an offer sheet.
Same for Lombardi you could match an offer sheet but have to face the consequences.
And that would be losing him for nothing next year have an absolutely don't wanna be here player in your lineup and pass on a possible return he could fetch while under contract.

And now try to imagine how that affects the Doughty signing.............
I'm pretty sure Doughty will die to sign a long term contract for an USA located team who isn't able
to dress a 2nd line and loses key players constantly.

Just keep in mind what quality players we lost just because Lombardi and Murray are morons.

Well i show you a lineup..............

Cammy - Kopitar - Williams
Frolov - Richardson/Schenn - Brown
O Sully - Handzus - Simmonds
Clifford - Schenn/Richardson - Parse

Doughty - Mitchell
Johnson - Scuderi
Greene - Quincey

Bernier/Quick.............................. That is a pure contender with same salary cap

the top 6 is loaded with 30+ goal scorer and playmaker, the defense would be outstanding
This is a way to build a team.
But instead Lombardi and Murray hadn't anything better to do than making the players hates our organisation. Not to mention the Kovalchuk, Heatley and Gaborik case..............
If i remember this "Heatley raises red flags to us" i could punsh Hextall into the face.
Now he is scoring 35-40 goals for someone else who hadn't red flags.
Kovalchuk run away because Lombardi didn't stop questioning him.
I mean if there is a guy who never scores under 40 goals i do everything to get this guy.
Well... Gaborik........ i could puke... all this injrie talking crap...........
You say no to Gaborik and bring in McCauley, Willsie, Beachball and other injurie prone players.....
Again... our questioned player is scoring now 40 goals for someone else.
I'm pretty sure Frolov will hit the 35+ goals again and if that happens there is better no sharp item in my range and a fly to L.A. available

Now you know why i hate our staff that much..........

If anyone of you thinks that kind of running an organisation leads to a cup you guys are living in the same wonderland Lombardi is searching his players.


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I think we're on the same page here (sort of!).

This is why I believe Lombardi should look to trade Johnson for Edmonton's 1st round pick in 2011 (which might be #3 overall). There are a couple of guys there who would look very good in our top 6 (Sean Couturier, etc.).

Meanwhile, we have too many defensive prospects good enough to make the team.

I say trade JJ while his stock is high, high, high!!! If we can get Edmonton's 1st and Penner, I say "done deal".
After Toronto got burned by dealing off their 1st prematurely, I doubt Edmonton would have the brass to pull off that type of deal.

Plus it's always a that Edmonton will be just as bad next year. Always find this mildly amazing, but Colorado managed to obtain the Kings', Sharks', and Bruins' 1st round picks in 1998. In 1997, those three teams chose 1-2-3. But each of those three teams rebounded and the Avs ended up without a top 10 pick.

The vibe next year seems to be that 2011 is an average/below average draft year. I'm not sure I'd take that gamble.

We all make fun of the Burke for giving up the picks for Kessel, but I still think it was a reasonable gamble. If the Leafs pick had just even been #3, Kessel for Gudbranson, Knight, and a future 1st doesn't sound awful.

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Well i show you a lineup..............

Cammy - Kopitar - Williams
Frolov - Richardson/Schenn - Brown
O Sully - Handzus - Simmonds
Clifford - Schenn/Richardson - Parse

Doughty - Mitchell
Johnson - Scuderi
Greene - Quincey

Bernier/Quick.............................. That is a pure contender with same salary cap


You've completely lost it. I've bolded all of the players that were brought in by Lombardi. So, there are only 5 players in the lineup that weren't picked, traded or signed by Lombardi and he is the moron?



BTW, how do you have Williams and O'Sullivan together? They were traded for each other.

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